• Echo Tag Length

    From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to All on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 21:40:28
    What is the maximum echo tag length that HPT can handle?

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  • From Michael Dukelsky@2:5020/1042 to Paul Hayton on Friday, November 20, 2020 13:23:56
    Hello Paul,

    Wednesday November 11 2020, Paul Hayton wrote to All:

    What is the maximum echo tag length that HPT can handle?

    Sorry for the long delay, could not answer earlier.

    An echo tag cannot be longer than 60 bytes.

    Michael

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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to Michael Dukelsky on Saturday, November 21, 2020 13:51:43
    On 20 Nov 2020 at 01:23p, Michael Dukelsky pondered and said...

    What is the maximum echo tag length that HPT can handle?
    Sorry for the long delay, could not answer earlier.
    An echo tag cannot be longer than 60 bytes.

    Thanks so 60 characters including spaces - is that right?

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1 to Paul Hayton on Saturday, November 21, 2020 09:18:30
    Hi Paul.

    21 Nov 20 13:51, you wrote to Michael Dukelsky:

    On 20 Nov 2020 at 01:23p, Michael Dukelsky pondered and said...

    What is the maximum echo tag length that HPT can handle?
    Sorry for the long delay, could not answer earlier.
    An echo tag cannot be longer than 60 bytes.

    Thanks so 60 characters including spaces - is that right?

    Spaces in echotag? I don't think so. :)

    'Tommi

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  • From Michael Dukelsky@2:5020/1042 to Paul Hayton on Saturday, November 21, 2020 12:50:14
    Hello Paul,

    Saturday November 21 2020, Paul Hayton wrote to Michael Dukelsky:

    On 20 Nov 2020 at 01:23p, Michael Dukelsky pondered and said...

    What is the maximum echo tag length that HPT can handle?
    Sorry for the long delay, could not answer earlier.
    An echo tag cannot be longer than 60 bytes.
    Thanks so 60 characters including spaces - is that right?

    No, 60 or less ASCII characters with decimal code >=33 and <=126. So tab, space, carriage return and new line are not allowed.

    Michael

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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Michael Dukelsky on Saturday, November 21, 2020 17:34:33
    Re: Echo Tag Length
    By: Michael Dukelsky to Paul Hayton on Sat Nov 21 2020 12:50 pm

    Hello Paul,

    Saturday November 21 2020, Paul Hayton wrote to Michael Dukelsky:

    On 20 Nov 2020 at 01:23p, Michael Dukelsky pondered and said...

    What is the maximum echo tag length that HPT can handle?
    Sorry for the long delay, could not answer earlier.
    An echo tag cannot be longer than 60 bytes.
    Thanks so 60 characters including spaces - is that right?

    No, 60 or less ASCII characters with decimal code >=33 and <=126. So tab, space, carriage return and new line are not allowed.

    I wonder what official maximum length of an area/echo tag (a.k.a. conference id) actually is.

    From echobase.hlp:
    Tagname (TAG) - The echo's areatag. May be up to 35
    characters in length.
    Title (TITL) - A short description title that briefly
    describes the echo. This may be 55
    characters in length.

    If anyone has a more official reference, I'd be curious to read it. Thanks,
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  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to Rob Swindell on Sunday, November 22, 2020 13:43:36
    Rob wrote (2020-11-21):

    No, 60 or less ASCII characters with decimal code >=33 and <=126. So
    tab, space, carriage return and new line are not allowed.

    I wonder what official maximum length of an area/echo tag (a.k.a. conference id) actually is.

    Depends what you mean with "official". There is FSC-0074:

    CONFERENCE is the name of the conference. The
    conference name is composed of ASCII characters in
    the range 33 to 96 and 123 to 126. The conference
    name shall be no more than 60 characters in length.

    I assume this maximum length was chosen because of the standard 80 character width of the terminal. I don't interpret it as a hard limit, but I don't see the need for longer names (not sure if there are newsgroups that have longer names)

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  • From Michael Dukelsky@2:5020/1042 to Rob Swindell on Sunday, November 22, 2020 18:04:56
    Hello Rob,

    Saturday November 21 2020, Rob Swindell wrote to Michael Dukelsky:

    What is the maximum echo tag length that HPT can handle?
    An echo tag cannot be longer than 60 bytes.
    Thanks so 60 characters including spaces - is that right?

    No, 60 or less ASCII characters with decimal code >=33 and <=126.
    So tab, space, carriage return and new line are not allowed.
    I wonder what official maximum length of an area/echo tag (a.k.a. conference id) actually is.

    I don't know of any standard for the length of an areatag. The data I gave above was taken from the HPT code since the question was about HPT.

    Michael

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  • From Vincent Coen@2:250/1 to Oli on Sunday, November 22, 2020 16:28:08
    Hello Oli!

    Sunday November 22 2020 13:43, you wrote to Rob Swindell:

    Rob wrote (2020-11-21):

    No, 60 or less ASCII characters with decimal code >=33 and <=126.
    So tab, space, carriage return and new line are not allowed.

    I wonder what official maximum length of an area/echo tag (a.k.a.
    conference id) actually is.

    Depends what you mean with "official". There is FSC-0074:

    CONFERENCE is the name of the conference. The
    conference name is composed of ASCII characters in
    the range 33 to 96 and 123 to 126. The conference
    name shall be no more than 60 characters in length.

    I assume this maximum length was chosen because of the standard 80
    character width of the terminal. I don't interpret it as a hard limit,
    but I don't see the need for longer names (not sure if there are
    newsgroups that have longer names)

    A good reason for NOT exceeding this limit is that if you try and make it larger a lot of bbs and other software may well produce odd results.


    Vincent

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to Michael Dukelsky on Sunday, November 22, 2020 20:19:38

    Sunday November 22 2020 18:04, Michael Dukelsky wrote to Rob Swindell:

    What is the maximum echo tag length that HPT can handle?
    An echo tag cannot be longer than 60 bytes.
    Thanks so 60 characters including spaces - is that right?

    No, 60 or less ASCII characters with decimal code >=33 and <=126.
    So tab, space, carriage return and new line are not allowed.
    I wonder what official maximum length of an area/echo tag (a.k.a.
    conference id) actually is.

    I don't know of any standard for the length of an areatag. The data I gave above was taken from the HPT code since the question was about HPT.

    The maximum echotag lenght in GEcho is 50. As well as in Fastecho. So that has been some de facto standard back then.

    'Tommi

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  • From Michael Dukelsky@2:5020/1042 to Tommi Koivula on Sunday, November 22, 2020 22:08:10
    Hello Tommi,

    Sunday November 22 2020, Tommi Koivula wrote to Michael Dukelsky:

    What is the maximum echo tag length that HPT can
    handle?
    An echo tag cannot be longer than 60 bytes.
    Thanks so 60 characters including spaces - is that right?

    No, 60 or less ASCII characters with decimal code >=33 and <=126.
    So tab, space, carriage return and new line are not allowed.
    I wonder what official maximum length of an area/echo tag
    (a.k.a. conference id) actually is.

    I don't know of any standard for the length of an areatag. The
    data I gave above was taken from the HPT code since the question
    was about HPT.
    The maximum echotag lenght in GEcho is 50. As well as in Fastecho. So
    that has been some de facto standard back then.

    That's OK. HPT is fully compatible since it allows such echotags.

    Michael

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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to Michael Dukelsky on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 15:54:36
    On 21 Nov 2020 at 12:50p, Michael Dukelsky pondered and said...

    What is the maximum echo tag length that HPT can handle?
    Sorry for the long delay, could not answer earlier.
    An echo tag cannot be longer than 60 bytes.
    Thanks so 60 characters including spaces - is that right?

    No, 60 or less ASCII characters with decimal code >=33 and <=126. So
    tab, space, carriage return and new line are not allowed.

    Thanks Michael.

    Could a provision be made to optionally extend this length further if someone using HPT wanted to run longer tag lengths?

    Best, Paul

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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Paul Hayton on Monday, November 23, 2020 22:18:54
    Re: Re: Echo Tag Length
    By: Paul Hayton to Michael Dukelsky on Tue Nov 24 2020 03:54 pm

    On 21 Nov 2020 at 12:50p, Michael Dukelsky pondered and said...

    What is the maximum echo tag length that HPT can handle?
    Sorry for the long delay, could not answer earlier.
    An echo tag cannot be longer than 60 bytes.
    Thanks so 60 characters including spaces - is that right?

    No, 60 or less ASCII characters with decimal code >=33 and <=126. So tab, space, carriage return and new line are not allowed.

    Thanks Michael.

    Could a provision be made to optionally extend this length further if someone using HPT wanted to run longer tag lengths?

    For interoperability with other software (e.g. SBBSecho), I would recommend keeping echo/area-tags at 35 characters or less.
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  • From Michael Dukelsky@2:5020/1042 to Paul Hayton on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 10:30:40
    Hello Paul,

    Tuesday November 24 2020, Paul Hayton wrote to Michael Dukelsky:

    What is the maximum echo tag length that HPT can
    handle?
    Sorry for the long delay, could not answer earlier.
    An echo tag cannot be longer than 60 bytes.
    Thanks so 60 characters including spaces - is that right?

    No, 60 or less ASCII characters with decimal code >=33 and <=126.
    So tab, space, carriage return and new line are not allowed.
    Could a provision be made to optionally extend this length further if someone using HPT wanted to run longer tag lengths?

    I don't think this is a good idea, because if some sysops increase the maximum areatag length for some echo while others do not, the latter will not be able to receive the echo.

    Michael

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  • From Frank Linhares@1:229/101 to Paul Hayton on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 08:20:46
    Could a provision be made to optionally extend this length further if someoneusing HPT wanted to run longer tag lengths?

    That would be a bad idea as it would possibly break mail flow for those using older software that wouldn't support it.

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  • From Kai Richter@2:240/77 to Paul Hayton on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 18:32:30
    Hello Paul!

    24 Nov 20, Paul Hayton wrote to Michael Dukelsky:

    Could a provision be made to optionally extend this length further if someone using HPT wanted to run longer tag lengths?

    Because hpt is open source you could modifiy it by your own. I don't see the reason why someone would do that. A short echotag gives more space for the description.

    Regards

    Kai

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  • From Kai Richter@2:240/77 to Michael Dukelsky on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 18:22:36
    Hello Michael!

    24 Nov 20, Michael Dukelsky wrote to Paul Hayton:

    I don't think this is a good idea, because if some sysops increase the maximum areatag length for some echo while others do not, the latter
    will not be able to receive the echo.

    That was my first thought too. If the limit of 50 for older tossers is true then hpt should be limited to 50 too. But on the other hand if the FSC limit is
    60 then it should be 60. But that is a fidonet limit then. Hpt is not an fidonet only tosser and other othernetwork may allow longer echotags.




    Regards

    Kai

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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to Michael Dukelsky on Wednesday, November 25, 2020 12:44:44
    On 24 Nov 2020 at 10:30a, Michael Dukelsky pondered and said...

    I don't think this is a good idea, because if some sysops increase the maximum areatag length for some echo while others do not, the latter
    will not be able to receive the echo.

    Yep all good (and thanks Frank, Rob et al.) I'm not pushing for a change, rather I was curious about current settings etc. Thanks for the feedback guys.

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