• Done with them?

    From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to All on Saturday, January 23, 2021 20:51:50
    Has anyone been considering giving up their social media accounts in wake of the Democrat crackdown on the 1st amendment?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, January 23, 2021 15:19:57
    Re: Done with them?
    By: Aaron Thomas to All on Sat Jan 23 2021 08:51 pm

    Has anyone been considering giving up their social media accounts

    If it doesn't serve a useful purpose, let it go.

    in wake of the Democrat crackdown on the 1st amendment?

    What democrat crackdown on the 1st amendment?

    Are you talking about some social media sites removing Donald Trump's access to
    their sites?

    That was a crackdown on boloney and lies, and not a democrat thing.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Charles Pierson@1:106/127 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, January 23, 2021 17:57:07
    On 23 Jan 2021, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Has anyone been considering giving up their social media accounts

    If it doesn't serve a useful purpose, let it go.

    I really only use social media to keep up with relatives scattered all over. There are a couple of old friends there as well.
    in wake of the Democrat crackdown on the 1st amendment?

    What democrat crackdown on the 1st amendment?

    Are you talking about some social media sites removing Donald Trump's access to
    their sites?

    There has been more than Trumps removal. There does seem to be the appearance of bias against posts from more conservate sources.

    But honestly, I don't have a real problem with that. They are private companies, so they can do that with their platforms if they want.

    The consumers have the option of not utilizing their services.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Charles Pierson on Saturday, January 23, 2021 17:02:42
    Re: Re: Done with them?
    By: Charles Pierson to Alan Ianson on Sat Jan 23 2021 05:57 pm

    I really only use social media to keep up with relatives scattered all over. There are a couple of old friends there as well.

    I had a facebook account when facebook first came out late in the 90's. I never
    found it useful and just stopped using it. I don't know what ever became of it.

    There has been more than Trumps removal. There does seem to be the appearance of bias against posts from more conservate sources.

    I think a lot of folks just had enough. His twitter posts were full of lies, deception and inciteful. I actually stopped reading his twitter account a few months ago so I never missed it.

    There has been more than Trumps removal. There does seem to be the appearance of bias against posts from more conservate sources.

    I don't have a problem with conservatives. I am a conservative although I am not a far-right conservative and I am progressive.

    But honestly, I don't have a real problem with that. They are private companies, so they can do that with their platforms if they want.

    This is a new phenomenon in a relatively new platform. These companies will need to do a better job of clarifying what is acceptable and what's not.

    I wouldn't want to be the arbiter of what is truth or lies, or good or bad.

    The consumers have the option of not utilizing their services.

    Yes, we still have this and it's the market that will decide what goes or not.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Charles Pierson@1:106/127 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, January 23, 2021 19:26:41
    On 23 Jan 2021, Alan Ianson said the following...
    I had a facebook account when facebook first came out late in the 90's.
    I never
    found it useful and just stopped using it. I don't know what ever became of it.

    It could verywell still be there. I tried to delete an account on there once and it wasn't an option, only deactivating. I think my stepdaughter has 4 or
    5 accounts because she'd just start a new one whenever she got a new laptop
    or other device.

    There has been more than Trumps removal. There does seem to be the appearance of bias against posts from more conservate sources.

    I think a lot of folks just had enough. His twitter posts were full of lies, deception and inciteful. I actually stopped reading his twitter account a few months ago so I never missed it.


    I have a twitter account, but I don't use it. I only had it because a game I played gave you some sort of bonus if you shared a message to play the game once a day.
    There has been more than Trumps removal. There does seem to be the appearance of bias against posts from more conservate sources.

    I don't have a problem with conservatives. I am a conservative although
    I am not a far-right conservative and I am progressive.

    I'm more conservative than not. Of course years ago I had a friend from The Netherlands that informed me that most 'liberals' in the US would be
    considered conservative elsewhere.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, January 24, 2021 01:33:41
    Has anyone been considering giving up their social media accounts

    If it doesn't serve a useful purpose, let it go.

    Good idea.

    Are you talking about some social media sites removing Donald Trump's access to their sites?

    That was a crackdown on boloney and lies, and not a democrat thing.

    The crackdown has been going on since at least 2016. For as far back as I can remember (I'm 41) our presidents have always had access to public broadcast TV channels to make any sort of announcement he wanted to make. (ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS.) But Trump's speeches were dismissed as "campaigning" and almost constantly were blocked by them.

    To watch Trump speak to the public - especially during the virus breakout -
    you had to go to foxnews.com and stream it. There was no watching it on public broadcast, because he was blocked. Sometimes they'd show him for a couple seconds, but then they'd just cut out to a reporter who could criticize him negatively, then they'd change the subject entirely and forget about the president.

    That didn't seem fair, but maybe it was fair because if a political party is rich enough to own all of the media, then maybe they deserve to get their penny's worth.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Charles Pierson on Sunday, January 24, 2021 01:38:30
    But honestly, I don't have a real problem with that. They are private companies, so they can do that with their platforms if they want.

    The consumers have the option of not utilizing their services.

    I agree - private companies should be able to do what they want - even censor people - Trump should not have had to rely on private companies to convey messages, but public broadcast had barred him since before day 1.

    Trump's mistake is he should have just used his own website. That would have been simple, reliable, and almost completely uncensorable.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 25, 2021 09:51:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to All <=-

    Has anyone been considering giving up their social media accounts in
    wake of the Democrat crackdown on the 1st amendment?

    Already dropped Twitter and greatly reduced my presence on Facebook.

    Been spending more time on MeWe, Rumble, BitChute lately. It was nice to
    clean house and "start over".


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 25, 2021 09:55:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Charles Pierson <=-

    I agree - private companies should be able to do what they want - even censor people

    But those companies
    1) are public companies - so their shareholders will have plenty to say
    2) claim to be "platforms" for discussion and have legal protection under Section 230 so that they can't be sued for what other people say. But they
    act like publishers and police their content.

    Trump's mistake is he should have just used his own website. That would have been simple, reliable, and almost completely uncensorable.

    I think that's becoming obvious to many companies right now. They cannot
    rely on other platforms. How many companies right now are actively thinking about leaving AWS because of what happened with Parler?


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron Lauzon on Monday, January 25, 2021 16:49:04
    Already dropped Twitter and greatly reduced my presence on Facebook.

    I follow Ted Nugent on Facebook.

    He was complaining about the Keystone Pipeline cancellation costing
    10,000 jobs in the midst of the pandemic, and Facebook butts in to say "Independent fact-checkers indicate this informtion is misleading."

    I'm sick of "fact-checkers." They should be called "Fact-arguers." Nobody can "fact-check" job losses at Keystone except for the HR department at Keystone. But Facebook will have people believing that Politico knows more about it than Keystone.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron Lauzon on Monday, January 25, 2021 17:08:36
    I think that's becoming obvious to many companies right now. They cannot rely on other platforms. How many companies right now are actively thinking about leaving AWS because of what happened with Parler?

    There are other CDNs besides Amazon, but being un-Confederate will catch up with any company.

    It's unfortunate how the business world has become so dependent on Google & Amazon. Consumers love it, and it's ok to have rules, but all other businesses in the world need to suck up to Google & Amazon or else they will fail.

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  • From Brian Klauss@1:104/116 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 25, 2021 15:58:31
    Re: Re: Done with them?
    By: Aaron Thomas to Ron Lauzon on Mon Jan 25 2021 04:49 pm

    I follow Ted Nugent on Facebook.

    I'm sorry.

    He was complaining about the Keystone Pipeline cancellation costing
    10,000 jobs in the midst of the pandemic, and Facebook butts in to say "Independent fact-checkers indicate this informtion is misleading."

    According to the NRDC, "...the project would require fewer than 2,000 two-year construction jobs and that number of jobs would hover around 35 after construction." Obviously, the bias from the NRDC may provide skewed numbers yet the Austin American-Statesman reports, "TC Energy Corp., the Canadian company that owns the Keystone XL pipeline with the Alberta government, has said more than 1,000 people are out of work because of Biden's executive order.
    The 11,000 and $2 billion figures cited in the Facebook post are estimates published by the company, but most of the jobs would be temporary."

    I'm sick of "fact-checkers." They should be called "Fact-arguers." Nobody can "fact-check" job losses at Keystone except for the HR department at Keystone. But Facebook will have people believing that Politico knows more about it than Keystone.

    Actually, any project performed by a large corporation will expose the need to look at the number of employees needed for a project. In the case of Keystone XL, they need a large number temporary labor to build the pipeline while the need for that labor will dry up the minute the project is complete. Therefore,
    the only laborers needed for the job would be for maintenance operations, which
    follows, accurately, the numbers provided by the NRDC.

    I'm happy to see Facebook, Twitter, and other online platforms providing a fact-checking opportunity. It allows people who express "alternative facts" to
    be given an opportunity to either correct them, demonstrate that they are providing an opinion, or that they are simply communicating from their nether-regions.

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  • From Brian Klauss@1:104/116 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 25, 2021 15:59:56
    Re: Re: Done with them?
    By: Aaron Thomas to Ron Lauzon on Mon Jan 25 2021 05:08 pm

    There are other CDNs besides Amazon, but being un-Confederate will catch up with any company.

    You're right, or you can build one yourself at a much larger expense than it may be worth. Prior to Amazon, building multiple data centers worldwide to provide the same benefits that Amazon provides was excessive and costly. Either deal with it or build your own.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Brian Klauss on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 03:35:59
    According to the NRDC, "...the project would require fewer than 2,000 two-year construction jobs and that number of jobs would hover around 35

    I get that they are temporary jobs. But there are millions of unemployed Americans. Temporary work is better than nothing, and the project would have boosted our economy.

    What are the benefits of cancelling it & how do they outweigh the benefits of constructing it?

    I'm happy to see Facebook, Twitter, and other online platforms providing
    a fact-checking opportunity. It allows people who express "alternative

    I guess that's more your thing than mine. What if BBS sysops required fact-checking?

    "I've added some enhancements to Synchronet." Fact Check: This is
    misleading. The new version introduced previously unknown bugs.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Brian Klauss on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 03:43:30
    than it may be worth. Prior to Amazon, building multiple data centers worldwide to provide the same benefits that Amazon provides was
    excessive and costly. Either deal with it or build your own.

    There are other CDNs besides Amazon. Some would probably welcome an
    opportunity to serve companies fleeing Amazon.

    But I think a modest social network can get by without even using a CDN. A dedicated server for a bunch of people to rant about politics should be able
    to do the job.

    But for Amazon, Google, and Apple to banish them from their app stores is hitting below the belt.

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  • From Brian Klauss@1:104/116 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 25, 2021 21:53:56
    Re: Re: Done with them?
    By: Aaron Thomas to Brian Klauss on Tue Jan 26 2021 03:35 am

    According to the NRDC, "...the project would require fewer than 2,000 two-year construction jobs and that number of jobs would hover around 35

    I get that they are temporary jobs. But there are millions of unemployed Americans. Temporary work is better than nothing, and the project would have boosted our economy.

    Yes, there are many unemployed Americans but the Keystone XL Pipeline will generate a couple thousand not tens of thousands. The economic benefits do not
    outweigh the risk to the environment and the impact to the Native American population and their lands.

    What are the benefits of cancelling it & how do they outweigh the benefits of constructing it?

    Honestly, we have more than sufficient oil in the United States. Keystone XL is dealing in oil sands, which are some of the most difficult to extract types of oil there is. The cost of the extraction is baked into the cost of the product. Removing it, removes the added expense when it comes to market.

    I'm happy to see Facebook, Twitter, and other online platforms providing
    a fact-checking opportunity. It allows people who express "alternative

    I guess that's more your thing than mine. What if BBS sysops required fact-checking?

    My audience isn't as huge as Facebook, Twitter, and other social platforms. I can provide links to facts to your linked falacies. Whether you accept them or
    not is up to you but I stand by what I write.

    "I've added some enhancements to Synchronet." Fact Check: This is misleading. The new version introduced previously unknown bugs.

    There are always new bugs in Synchronet. Hell, if bugs didn't exist in software half of software developers would be out of a job.

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  • From Brian Klauss@1:104/116 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 25, 2021 22:06:28
    Re: Re: Done with them?
    By: Aaron Thomas to Brian Klauss on Tue Jan 26 2021 03:43 am

    than it may be worth. Prior to Amazon, building multiple data centers worldwide to provide the same benefits that Amazon provides was excessive and costly. Either deal with it or build your own.

    There are other CDNs besides Amazon. Some would probably welcome an opportunity to serve companies fleeing Amazon.

    A CDN is defined as a method of distribution of static content. Sites like Amazon provide the backend infrastructure, EC2, Lambda, S3, etc., as well as the frontend, such as CloudFront, to ensure data gets transmitted locally at the greatest possible speed. Hell, even Netflix relies upon a fanout distribution model to ensure their movies are as close to the audience as possible. Yet, they still rely upon the backend infrastructure to provide the actual content to their edge locations.

    But I think a modest social network can get by without even using a CDN. A dedicated server for a bunch of people to rant about politics should be able to do the job.

    Lease a couple racks in Los Angeles, Dallas, and Philadelphia, with two Cisco UCS chassis, eight to ten servres, a small NetApp all flash storage array, networking gear, firewalls, and load balancers, and create the necessary replication between each location, and you got it made. Initial investment a couple million. If you've got the capital or investors, go for it (hell, I'll even set it up for you even if I don't agree with your politics). Yet, the cheaper alternative is to rely upon the AWS, GCP, and Azures out there.

    But for Amazon, Google, and Apple to banish them from their app stores is hitting below the belt.

    All an app does it provide a front-end interface that makes the necessary API calls into the server and serverless infrastructure. If you can access a website from the comforts of your phone, the problem is already solved and eliminates AWS, GCP, and everyone else.

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  • From Charles Pierson@1:106/127 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 05:54:40
    On 26 Jan 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    I get that they are temporary jobs. But there are millions of unemployed Americans. Temporary work is better than nothing, and the project would have boosted our economy.

    On the subject of temporary jobs, besides your points, they are opportunities for better as well, especially in construction and the Oil & Gas industry

    My longest career at a company started out as a temporary job. It ended
    because I suck at the politics side of business but that's another story.
    What are the benefits of cancelling it & how do they outweigh the
    benefits of constructing it?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, January 27, 2021 06:11:31
    Hello Aaron,

    According to the NRDC, "...the project would require fewer than 2,000 >BK>two-year construction jobs and that number of jobs would hover around 35

    I get that they are temporary jobs. But there are millions of unemployed >Americans. Temporary work is better than nothing, and the project would have >boosted our economy.

    Aside from destroying the environment, there is also the meager pay.
    Temporary work at meager pay is worse than no job at all. Especially
    in today's covid world. Much better to get paid not to work. Just do
    the math. $2000 a month not to work versus $200 a month to work your
    buns off for not even half a year, with no benefits. Who would be
    dumb enough to do that? Much smarter would be to pick up a brick and
    throw it through the window of a police building. Especially during
    the winter months when it is cold and damp, needing a warm place
    to stay with free food on the side ...

    What are the benefits of cancelling it & how do they outweigh the benefits
    of constructing it?

    We save the environment and build a green economy that provides
    permanent jobs with better pay for everybody.

    I'm happy to see Facebook, Twitter, and other online platforms
    providing a fact-checking opportunity. It allows people who BK>express "alternative

    I guess that's more your thing than mine. What if BBS sysops required >fact-checking?

    No more "real names only" requirements would be cool!
    No more other "security" information requirements needed, either.
    A lot of information given can be misused, and exploited.
    Not faulting sysops who run a BBS. Just a reality.

    "I've added some enhancements to Synchronet." Fact Check: This is
    misleading. The new version introduced previously unknown bugs.

    I also like some of the unknown bugs found in Mystic.

    --Lee

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, January 27, 2021 08:17:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    I'm sick of "fact-checkers." They should be called "Fact-arguers."
    Nobody can "fact-check" job losses at Keystone except for the HR department at Keystone. But Facebook will have people believing that Politico knows more about it than Keystone.

    Ya, they aren't "fact-checkers". They are "narrative-checkers".
    If you say something that violates the narrative they try to do something to mark your post as "false" - even if that means stretching the truth or
    claiming that you said something you didn't.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, January 27, 2021 08:20:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    It's unfortunate how the business world has become so dependent on
    Google & Amazon. Consumers love it, and it's ok to have rules, but all other businesses in the world need to suck up to Google & Amazon or
    else they will fail.

    I used to work for a company that wanted to move everything to the "Cloud". From their point of view, it was much more cost effective. They didn't
    have the infrastructure to maintain and only paid for what they used. A big chunk of their capital costs went away.

    But they neglected to deal with the Elephant in the Room: You are now dependant on an outside company for your business and it will be very costly to bring everything back in house.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, January 27, 2021 09:53:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Brian Klauss <=-

    There are other CDNs besides Amazon. Some would probably welcome an opportunity to serve companies fleeing Amazon.

    There's more to AWS than being a CDN. Something like AWS is a application hosting system.

    For management, they see no server room, no server support staff, no
    capital depreciation, etc. If they need more server power during the
    peak times of the year, it just costs them for the time they need the
    extra power.

    This is the Elephant In The Room when it comes to cloud computing:
    They don't own anything and they are dependant on another company to
    keep their web app running. Management willfully ignores that.

    And, really, I don't think any company ever thought that a hosting company would kick a customer off because the hosting company didn't "like" their content (as opposed to not paying bills, or the customer doing illegal
    things on their hosted application).

    But I think a modest social network can get by without even using a
    CDN. A dedicated server for a bunch of people to rant about politics should be able to do the job.

    But there's more than a server. There's the redundantcies to keep the
    servers up. There's the server room. There's the air conditioning to keep
    the servers from overheating. There's the OS updates that need to be applied. There's the staff do maintain all this. And probably more than that.

    But for Amazon, Google, and Apple to banish them from their app stores
    is hitting below the belt.

    And that's sending a message to customers: don't trust us. That message
    will make management deal with the Elephant in the Room and rethink their
    cloud strategy. It won't happen fast, but it will happen.


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  • From Brian Klauss@1:104/116 to Ron Lauzon on Wednesday, January 27, 2021 10:01:15
    Re: Re: Done with them?
    By: Ron Lauzon to Aaron Thomas on Wed Jan 27 2021 08:20 am

    I used to work for a company that wanted to move everything to the "Cloud". From their point of view, it was much more cost effective. They didn't
    have the infrastructure to maintain and only paid for what they used. A big chunk of their capital costs went away.

    Most companies think going to the cloud is the easiest solution. It isn't. I am a Cloud Architect and I know how hard it is. If the company doesn't want to
    pay the monthly costs, they aren't going to get what they really want.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron Lauzon on Wednesday, January 27, 2021 17:25:07
    Ya, they aren't "fact-checkers". They are "narrative-checkers".
    If you say something that violates the narrative they try to do
    something to mark your post as "false" - even if that means stretching

    Perfect definition! "Narrative Checkers" is hilarious and accurate.

    We all know that somewhere out there, somewhere on the web, there are "facts" that will match the narrative that we subscribe to.

    "Fact checking" should be done by people with authority and security clearance if we ever want to see beyond a narrative.

    "Fact checkers" have the "ability" to "prove" that Joe Biden's segregation movement was "to empower minority children" or some crap.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron Lauzon on Wednesday, January 27, 2021 17:32:57
    But they neglected to deal with the Elephant in the Room: You are now dependant on an outside company for your business and it will be very costly to bring everything back in house.

    Cloud servers are over rated. Speed is a fun issue to tackle in web development, and Google is probably telling the truth about how fast pages need to be, but they are certainly allowed to lie about stuff to advance their monopoly - and web developers and their customers may be falling for it.

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  • From Brian Klauss@1:104/116 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, January 27, 2021 17:37:37
    Re: Re: Done with them?
    By: Aaron Thomas to Ron Lauzon on Wed Jan 27 2021 05:25 pm

    "Fact checking" should be done by people with authority and security clearance if we ever want to see beyond a narrative.

    Interesting. Hydroxycholoquine? Again, you'll only read the "facts" when they
    appeal to your narrative. There is no winning there.

    "Fact checkers" have the "ability" to "prove" that Joe Biden's segregation movement was "to empower minority children" or some crap.

    (groan)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Brian Klauss on Thursday, January 28, 2021 01:34:50
    "Fact checking" should be done by people with authority and security clearance if we ever want to see beyond a narrative.

    Interesting. Hydroxycholoquine? Again, you'll only read the "facts"
    when they appeal to your narrative. There is no winning there.

    A good president might issue a correction if they accidentally give out bad information. Trump made a believer out of me by all the things he did right,
    so that made me let my guard down in the areas where he erred.

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  • From Ron Kinney@1:104/115 to Ron Lauzon on Thursday, February 04, 2021 12:31:45
    Re: Re: Done with them?
    By: Ron Lauzon to Aaron Thomas on Mon Jan 25 2021 09:51 am

    Has anyone been considering giving up their social media accounts in wake of the Democrat crackdown on the 1st amendment?

    Already dropped Twitter and greatly reduced my presence on Facebook.

    Been spending more time on MeWe, Rumble, BitChute lately. It was nice to clean house and "start over".

    Same here. I dropped Twitter, and various other social media accounts. Facebook is a little harder because I have a lot of friends on their that I like to keep in touch with. What I did with FB was create one last post telling people I wouldn't be logging on anymore and if they need to contact me, they can do so via text messaging or E-Mail.

    I am on MeWe and Rumble now, and I agree, its nice to clean houses and start over. MeWe isn't as large as FB, but it definitely has a large enough following to be useful.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Ron Kinney on Wednesday, February 10, 2021 09:12:00
    Ron Kinney wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    Same here. I dropped Twitter, and various other social media accounts. Facebook is a little harder because I have a lot of friends on their
    that I like to keep in touch with. What I did with FB was create one
    last post telling people I wouldn't be logging on anymore and if they
    need to contact me, they can do so via text messaging or E-Mail.

    I did about the same. Twitter was easy since the vast majority of people
    I was following were on other sites anyway.

    I'm having the same issue with Facebook. There's just some people (usually elderly relatives) who are only there and won't move. But I did post a message there saying that I wouldn't be on as much and if someone needs to contact
    me in a hurry to use other means.

    I am on MeWe and Rumble now, and I agree, its nice to clean houses and start over. MeWe isn't as large as FB, but it definitely has a large enough following to be useful.

    But I like the MeWe is growing. One of the reasons I am still on Facebook
    is the groups related to my interests. But those groups seem to be starting
    up on MeWe now. Hopefully I can dump Facebook this year.


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