• My nation, America, took over Congress.

    From paul lee@1:105/420 to All on Wednesday, January 06, 2021 20:12:59
    The President of America will not and has not accepted the votes of the American people.

    He lost... but continues to try any way he can muster, regardless of its is moral or not, to overturn the results of the election.

    Not all of us shunned him in 2016. I accepted that Trump won, regardless of whether the 'left' did or not.

    Today the President egged on his supporters to overtake the Congressional Hall.
    And, they did. They did fall back, and leave has dusk hit. This can be debated,
    as I think they RETREATED in a better fashion than the left, during the riots and looting that happened in the summertime.

    But my Lord... today is crazy. Its so dangerous, for a photograph of some protester to be taken... sitting in the seat of the Vice President of the United States. I'm sure across the world, we look stupid. We look like we're out of control.

    Today was dangerous.

    For me, and I'm not angry if you feel differently, this shows that America can't allow themselves to GET HERE ever again. In 2016, I wanted change. I wasn't happy with the previous government. But... we must never again allow ourselves to be duped by a carnival barker.

    Wow.
    Just wow.



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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to paul lee on Thursday, January 07, 2021 18:29:56
    Am 06 Jan 21 20:12:59 schrob paul lee an All zum Thema
    <My nation, America, took over Congress.>

    He lost... but continues to try any way he can muster, regardless of its is moral or not, to overturn the results of the election.

    I don't get it. I mean, the results are what they are. So what were those people hoping for? A new election with armed election observers under the command of the united nations? The end of democracy?



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to paul lee on Thursday, January 07, 2021 17:29:36
    The President of America will not and has not accepted the votes of the American people.

    Democrats changed ballot procedures to enable themselves to guarantee a Biden win, and then the media twisted it into "Trump not accepting the votes of the American people."

    If I don't get my energy assistance application in by the deadline, the
    media can write a story about me called "Energy Assistance office refuses to accept applications from the American people."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gerhard Strangar on Thursday, January 07, 2021 18:39:59
    I don't get it. I mean, the results are what they are. So what were those people hoping for? A new election with armed election observers under the command of the united nations? The end of democracy?

    Each year we hold elections on election day (Nov 3) and we know precisely who the winners are early in the morning on Nov 4.

    But this year, powerful Democrats (members of Joe Biden's political party)
    made last-minute changes to their voting procedures which turned "election
    day" into "election 2 weeks." On top of that, other Democrats mass-mailed mail-in-ballots (vote from home ballots) to everyone in the whole country, despite the fact that mail-in voting has been restricted (by law) to military members who are deployed overseas, and to disabled Americans (people who can't leave home.)

    Liberals will argue that "The votes of the American people should be counted," but there's a double-standard. In a previous election, such as when Barack Obama (Democrat) defeated Mitt Romney (Republican,) there was no Republican movement to extend election day, and there was no Republican movement to mass-mail absentee ballots to the entire country "to make sure every voice is heard."

    Republicans aren't perfect, but they are unwilling to stoop to such a low level.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, January 07, 2021 12:49:23
    Re: Re: My nation, America, took over Congress.
    By: Aaron Thomas to paul lee on Thu Jan 07 2021 05:29 pm

    Democrats changed ballot procedures to enable themselves to guarantee a Biden win, and then the media twisted it into "Trump not accepting the votes of the American people."

    Election laws and procedures often change. This is not to guarantee a biden win. It is to make it possible and easy for people to get out and vote.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, January 07, 2021 12:54:36
    Re: Re: My nation, America, took over Congress.
    By: Aaron Thomas to Gerhard Strangar on Thu Jan 07 2021 06:39 pm

    But this year, powerful Democrats (members of Joe Biden's political party) made last-minute changes to their voting procedures which turned "election day" into "election 2 weeks." On top of that, other Democrats mass-mailed mail-in-ballots (vote from home ballots) to everyone in the whole country, despite the fact that mail-in voting has been restricted (by law) to military members who are deployed overseas, and to disabled Americans (people who can't leave home.)

    Mail in voting is not the evil some would have you believe.

    I mailed in my ballot (and my lady friend) in the last provincial election here. It was easy and painless.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Thursday, January 07, 2021 23:44:15
    Mail in voting is not the evil some would have you believe.

    I mailed in my ballot (and my lady friend) in the last provincial
    election here. It was easy and painless.

    In our case, it was a process like this:
    1) Media destroys Trump and makes the country think less of him
    2) Send mail-in ballot to every American (most Americans - first time ever)
    3) Laugh as the brainwashed vote for the guy with the halo over his head

    I'm convinved that the media is who elected Joe Biden, and nothing will stop them from doing it again and again.

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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Gerhard Strangar on Thursday, January 07, 2021 17:38:12
    I don't get it. I mean, the results are what they are. So what were those people hoping for? A new election with armed election observers under the command of the united nations? The end of democracy?

    Tschoe mit Oe
    Gerhard

    Thats the disconnect for me. I think yesterdays actions, which were IMO initiated by Donald Trump, were an attempt to TAKE the election... to force a change in the democracy of America - Listen, and I just say this for the argument, if there was fraud - SHOW ME. They haven't.

    For me, Trump went beyond ANY... I mean we all can see that he is a [insert your chosen descriptor] but yesterday he turned against America in a big way.

    I'm done. It's over. 25th him, impeach him, get the winner of the 2020 election
    in office ASAP. Is Biden my CHOICE for that office? No; but at this point it cannot be Trump for another moment. It's too dangerous.



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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, January 07, 2021 17:45:06
    The President of America will not and has not accepted the votes of t
    American people.

    Democrats changed ballot procedures to enable themselves to guarantee a Bidenwin, and then the media twisted it into "Trump not accepting the votes of theAmerican people."

    I would agree with the first four words of your statement, and they were a legal [and some think moral, honest] move because of the situation the country is in. I don't know, maybe your days are completely normal now - God knows I see it enough when I do venture 'out', but you know we're still REELING in a pandemic and all, right?

    Jesus - NO ONE should have voted in person in 2020. Thank God 'the democrats', which should really be typed as 'the majority of counties in America', moved to
    allow mail-in ballots.

    However, there was no 'FRAUD'. There were no 'MILLIONS' [or any amount to change the outcome of the election] of fraudulent votes; We've VERY PATIENTLY waited for proof and offered our courts at LENGTH to the process. [At a length the really makes America look ridiculous and weak to the world, btw..]

    It's over. [Thank God.] He lost. [Not a big shocker.]

    If I don't get my energy assistance application in by the deadline, the media can write a story about me called "Energy Assistance office
    refuses toaccept applications from the American people."

    Sure... they could also write a story called "Waaaahhh, Trump was robbed and his followers KNOW it!", but that would be fake news now wouldn't it...



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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, January 07, 2021 17:52:51
    Republicans aren't perfect, but they are unwilling to stoop to such a low level.

    LOL. If you believe that... you don't believe that. You'd be so wrong. If for one minute you think that they wouldn't do anything legal to try and sway more power to their party, yer blind to a lot more than I've witnessed already.



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, January 08, 2021 00:54:02
    On 01-07-21 17:29, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Paul Lee about Re: My nation, America, t <=-

    Democrats changed ballot procedures to enable themselves to guarantee
    a Biden win, and then the media twisted it into "Trump not accepting
    the votes of the American people."

    Just what are you talking about? When and how did Democrats change
    ballot procedures to guarantee a Biden win? Was it by making sure that
    people could vote?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, January 08, 2021 01:18:04
    On 01-07-21 18:39, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Gerhard Strangar about Re: My nation, America, t <=-

    Each year we hold elections on election day (Nov 3) and we know
    precisely who the winners are early in the morning on Nov 4.

    Sometimes that is true.

    But this year, powerful Democrats (members of Joe Biden's political
    party) made last-minute changes to their voting procedures which turned

    Just when were those "last minute changes" made?

    "election day" into "election 2 weeks." On top of that, other Democrats mass-mailed mail-in-ballots (vote from home ballots) to everyone in the whole country,

    You over state. At no time were mail in ballots sent to everyone in the country. It varied according to state laws. In some states ballots
    were mailed to every registered voter. In other states (e.g. my state)
    one had to request a mail in ballot. In all cases no mail-in ballot
    would be accepted unless it was from a registered voter.

    despite the fact that mail-in voting has been restricted
    (by law) to military members who are deployed overseas, and to disabled Americans (people who can't leave home.)

    Wrong. There are states that have had vote by mail-in ballots *ONLY*
    for years. In other states, who is eligible to vote by mail is due to
    state law. This year, many states opened up mail-in balloting due to
    the fact that the current Covid pandemic has caused in person balloting dangerous for many people.

    Liberals will argue that "The votes of the American people should be counted," but there's a double-standard. In a previous election, such
    as when Barack Obama (Democrat) defeated Mitt Romney (Republican,)
    there was no Republican movement to extend election day, and there was
    no Republican movement to mass-mail absentee ballots to the entire
    country "to make sure every voice is heard."

    Republicans aren't perfect, but they are unwilling to stoop to such a
    low level.

    Instead they have used voter suppression and gerrymanding to push the
    votes into their favor.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Ivan Mikhalev@1:154/30 to paul lee on Friday, January 08, 2021 00:27:20
    Re: Re: My nation, America, took over Congress.
    By: paul lee to Gerhard Strangar on Thu Jan 07 2021 05:38 pm

    I'm done. It's over. 25th him, impeach him, get the winner of the 2020 elect in office ASAP. Is Biden my CHOICE for that office? No; but at this point it cannot be Trump for another moment. It's too dangerous.

    Wise words. That's all I'm going to say.
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, January 08, 2021 00:13:05
    Re: Re: My nation, America, took over Congress.
    By: Aaron Thomas to Alan Ianson on Thu Jan 07 2021 11:44 pm

    1) Media destroys Trump and makes the country think less of him

    Trump destroyed himself. The media simply reported what was happening, each with their own slant.

    2) Send mail-in ballot to every American (most Americans - first time ever)

    I had to request a mail-in ballot.

    3) Laugh as the brainwashed vote for the guy with the halo over his
    head

    People simply vote for the candidate of their choosing.

    I'm convinved that the media is who elected Joe Biden, and nothing will stop them from doing it again and again.

    The media doesn't vote. People vote.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to paul lee on Friday, January 08, 2021 05:43:17
    Republicans aren't perfect, but they are unwilling to stoop to such a level.

    LOL. If you believe that... you don't believe that. You'd be so wrong.

    I have not seen or heard about any Republicans trying to interfere with an election, but I've seen, experienced, and heard about Democrats doing it.

    The Democrats closed major streets for construction on election day 2018 in my city. I'll assume it's because they were content with who was in office. Poll workers refused to give me a ballot, claiming I was at the wrong polling
    place, I had to drive all over town, make phone calls, and argue to finally
    get my ballot. How many other registered Republicans just said "Hell with it!?"

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Friday, January 08, 2021 16:41:52
    Just what are you talking about? When and how did Democrats change
    ballot procedures to guarantee a Biden win? Was it by making sure that people could vote?

    Yes, you have accurately answered your own question - but there's more to it.

    Let's suppose that in 2024 there's a conservative movement that does this:
    1) Create a pamphlet that demonizes Democrats, filled with conservative op-eds 2) Staple the propaganda to a mail-in ballot
    3) Mail one of these babies to every registered American voter in the world

    Will you be ok with that? That's basically what the media and Democrats did. But here we are saying "We made sure that everybody can vote."

    I'll state the obvious - there were no printed liberal pamphlets, but the
    media served as that pamphlet.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Friday, January 08, 2021 16:50:00
    Just when were those "last minute changes" made?

    I don't know. The information wasn't relevant to me until the day after election day.

    You over state. At no time were mail in ballots sent to everyone in the country. It varied according to state laws. In some states ballots

    You're right. I overstated. It happened in some states but not all. But are
    you gonna be fine with it if next year's election adheres to these new policies?

    Republicans aren't perfect, but they are unwilling to stoop to such a low level.

    Instead they have used voter suppression and gerrymanding to push the votes into their favor.

    Mass-mailing ballots + angry Republicans = voter suppression?

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, January 08, 2021 07:19:37
    Am 07 Jan 21 18:39:59 schrob Aaron Thomas an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: My nation, America, took over Congress.>

    But this year, powerful Democrats (members of Joe Biden's political
    party) made last-minute changes to their voting procedures which turned "election day" into "election 2 weeks." On top of that, other Democrats mass-mailed mail-in-ballots (vote from home ballots) to everyone in the whole country, despite the fact that mail-in voting has been restricted (by law) to military members who are deployed overseas, and to disabled Americans (people who can't leave home.)

    If there is doubt about the votes being counted correctly, go to court.
    If you think the courts are corrupt, we're back to my suggestion of sending UNO
    troups to hold proper elections. However, this usually happens because the _government_ is manipulating the elections, not the opposition.



    Tschoe mit Oe
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, January 08, 2021 23:31:00
    On 01-08-21 16:41, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: My nation, America, <=-


    Just what are you talking about? When and how did Democrats change
    ballot procedures to guarantee a Biden win? Was it by making sure that people could vote?

    Yes, you have accurately answered your own question - but there's more
    to it.

    No, there is not more to it.

    Let's suppose that in 2024 there's a conservative movement that does
    this: 1) Create a pamphlet that demonizes Democrats, filled with conservative op-eds 2) Staple the propaganda to a mail-in ballot
    3) Mail one of these babies to every registered American voter in the world

    Didn't and wouldn't happen as you state.

    Will you be ok with that? That's basically what the media and
    Democrats did. But here we are saying "We made sure that everybody can vote."

    The media reports and the ballots were independent things. One hopes
    that people are intelligent enough to filter the media reports and look
    for the facts and the truth. Unfortunately it has been proven that is
    not universally true.

    I'll state the obvious - there were no printed liberal pamphlets, but
    the media served as that pamphlet.

    The media reported on both sides.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, January 08, 2021 23:35:02
    On 01-08-21 16:50, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: My nation, America, <=-

    You're right. I overstated. It happened in some states but not all.
    But are you gonna be fine with it if next year's election adheres to
    these new policies?

    Why not? As I said, there are states which have had voting only by mail
    in ballots for years. It has worked just fine for them with no evidence
    of any significant fraud.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gerhard Strangar on Saturday, January 09, 2021 06:36:12
    If you think the courts are corrupt, we're back to my suggestion of sending UNO troups to hold proper elections. However, this usually
    happens because the _government_ is manipulating the elections, not the opposition.

    Some members of this governemnt ARE manipulating the elections. We need the UN' help!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, January 09, 2021 06:45:23
    No, there is not more to it.

    For the first time ever in history, ALL Americans were entitled to mail-in ballot voting. That was unfair to the incumbents around the nation. Suddenly, everyone who's been watching the news all day has a ballot in their hand,
    where in all of history, they had to walk or drive to the polls. The abrupt change is not fair to Trump and it's not fair to the 50 or 51% of Americans
    who voted for him.

    The media reports and the ballots were independent things. One hopes
    that people are intelligent enough to filter the media reports and look for the facts and the truth. Unfortunately it has been proven that is
    not universally true.

    You're right. It's not true, and people have been eating insanely large doses of biased commentary for the past 4 years, and now they have a ballot and a marker literally shoved into their hands by Democrats.

    The media reported on both sides.

    What about people who don't have cable? Those people (like me) had 5 channels of liberal broadcast news, but I'm a miracle- I don't listen to their crap. Guys like you and me will read the news on the internet, but not most Americans.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, January 09, 2021 06:57:36
    Why not? As I said, there are states which have had voting only by mail in ballots for years. It has worked just fine for them with no evidence of any significant fraud.

    It's not about fraud, it's about fairness. I think you're a great guy, but it seems like your fine with Trump having an unfair election because you don't like the guy. Keep in mind how many people voted for Trump. If it weren't for all these convenient changes that were made, then you'd possibly be in for 4 more years of Trump.

    Let's start the year off right: Instead of battling each other, let's work together for the greater good. I already stated that I plan to vote in your (Democrat) primaries. Mine (Republican) are NOT worth my time.

    Let's come together on policies so we can tell our puppets (US reps) what we want them to do.

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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Alan Ianson on Friday, January 08, 2021 19:11:24
    2) Send mail-in ballot to every American (most Americans - first time ever)

    I had to request a mail-in ballot.

    Many didn't. While I agree that this was a fair election, that Biden got more votes and deserves THIS term... I disagree that we should blanket-send Americans, who wouldn't have voted in the first place, ballots like that.

    I think it was FINE to allow mail-in balloting; but I think [this time round...
    listen the same stuff could happen TO the other side next time..] that sending out ballots to EVERY people in a district was....... a grab at votes for BIDEN.



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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, January 08, 2021 19:31:24
    I have not seen or heard about any Republicans trying to interfere with anelection, but I've seen, experienced, and heard about Democrats doing it.

    Listen, theres prolly a bunch we wouldn't agree on... like... I don't think ANYONE should have been voting in person when there was a pandemic going on, in
    the country. It's more detrimental to MY health for you to have done so...

    But I bet I do agree on some things; I don;t think it was right to BLANKET send
    out ballots to EVERY citizen (God forbid NON-citizens!); I think we should have
    done NO in-person voting, well.. I'd of allowed it but... I think REGISTERED voters should have gotten mail ins.

    However, when you say you don't think republicans would do anything (i.e. like the dems using LEGAL strategies to better their odds of winning.) - thats BS. The republicans would do ANYTHING; even if it were the exact same thing the dems did this election!



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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to paul lee on Saturday, January 09, 2021 14:38:24
    Re: Re: My nation, America, took over Congress.
    By: paul lee to Alan Ianson on Fri Jan 08 2021 07:11 pm

    Many didn't. While I agree that this was a fair election, that Biden got more votes and deserves THIS term... I disagree that we should blanket-send Americans, who wouldn't have voted in the first place, ballots like that.

    Yep, I never suggested that.

    Best thing to send mail-in ballots only when requested but that's a little over
    my pay grade.. :)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to paul lee on Saturday, January 09, 2021 23:22:33
    This:

    Many didn't. While I agree that this was a fair election, that Biden got

    and this:

    time..] that sending out ballots to EVERY people in a district
    was....... a grab at votes for BIDEN.

    are conflicting. Is it safe to say "It was an ACCURATE election, but sending out ballots to everyone was a grab at votes for Biden?"

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to paul lee on Sunday, January 10, 2021 00:07:20
    winning.) - thats BS. The republicans would do ANYTHING; even if it were the exact same thing the dems did this election!

    Trump has 2 weeks left to serve the term that the American people voted for in 2016. However, despite a little pandemic, house Democrats have nothing better to do than try to scare the American people with a ridiculous "He's
    dangerous!" statement.

    He hasn't hurt anyone in 4 years, but over the next 2 weeks he's gonna?

    Or they're worried about 2024? Why don't the Democrats have more confidence in themselves? I'm hoping that Biden does an awesome job as president, and if that's the case, then I'll have no choice but to vote Biden in 2024.

    That lack of confidence makes my head spin. Is Biden gonna screw us over so terribly by 2023, that we're gonna want him out? If so, then how do these
    other Democrats know that?

    There are no such thing as Republican extremists. I'll bet you a computer that you will never see protests all over the country in favor of Trump.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerhard Strangar on Sunday, January 10, 2021 05:54:06
    Hello Gerhard,

    But this year, powerful Democrats (members of Joe Biden's political
    party) made last-minute changes to their voting procedures which turned AT>"election day" into "election 2 weeks." On top of that, other Democrats AT>mass-mailed mail-in-ballots (vote from home ballots) to everyone in the AT>whole country, despite the fact that mail-in voting has been restricted AT>(by law) to military members who are deployed overseas, and to disabled AT>Americans (people who can't leave home.)

    If there is doubt about the votes being counted correctly, go to court.

    Even when there was no doubt, Trump & Co. still went to court.
    And lost 50+ times. Without ever getting a single win.

    If you think the courts are corrupt, we're back to my suggestion of sending
    UNO troups to hold proper elections. However, this usually happens because the _government_ is manipulating the elections, not the opposition.

    How did that work out in Belarus?

    --Lee

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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, January 09, 2021 20:25:42
    are conflicting. Is it safe to say "It was an ACCURATE election, but sendingout ballots to everyone was a grab at votes for Biden?"

    I think the mass-sending of ballots was a bit much- and while I don't think it causes fraud just from that act, I think that it it was prone to all the issues
    we're seeing after this election.

    If I HAD to pick a side, I'd say that we did the best we could this year under the pandemic that we're living through... but I really hope we think, together,
    and figure out a smarter way to conduct elections in the future. While I think this vote got a lot more voters to.. vote, I still think we have to make sure the votes are from registered, legal voters and this can't be the best way....

    Just recieving mass-mailed envelopes an carte blanche accepting that they are all correct and valid.

    We can do better.



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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, January 09, 2021 20:27:31
    There are no such thing as Republican extremists. I'll bet you a
    computer thatyou will never see protests all over the country in favor
    of Trump.

    Oh, I think if the LEOs would have responded to the crowd on Wednesday with violence the way that black people in America have been dealing with for decades, let alone thru the protests of this summer, you would.



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, January 09, 2021 23:05:00
    On 01-09-21 06:45, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: My nation, America, <=-


    No, there is not more to it.

    For the first time ever in history, ALL Americans were entitled to
    mail-in ballot voting.

    Great -- that means that all americans were more able to vote. That is
    what democracy is all about.

    That was unfair to the incumbents around the

    There is nothing unfair about people voting. What is unfair is things
    which curtail the voting.

    nation. Suddenly, everyone who's been watching the news all day has a ballot in their hand, where in all of history, they had to walk or
    drive to the polls. The abrupt change is not fair to Trump and it's not fair to the 50 or 51% of Americans who voted for him.

    Trump did not get 50 or 51% of the vote. He got just under 47%. Biden
    got a bit over 51%.

    What about people who don't have cable? Those people (like me) had 5 channels of liberal broadcast news, but I'm a miracle- I don't listen
    to their crap. Guys like you and me will read the news on the internet, but not most Americans.

    The internet is full of bad information.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, January 09, 2021 23:10:02
    On 01-09-21 06:57, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: My nation, America, <=-


    Why not? As I said, there are states which have had voting only by mail in ballots for years. It has worked just fine for them with no evidence of any significant fraud.

    It's not about fraud, it's about fairness. I think you're a great guy,
    but it seems like your fine with Trump having an unfair election

    Trump had a fair election. He lost. End of story.

    Let's start the year off right: Instead of battling each other, let's
    work together for the greater good. I already stated that I plan to

    I hope that you and the rest of the nation does that. The events of
    last Wednesday showed that not everyone is willing to do that.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Paul Lee on Saturday, January 09, 2021 23:22:06
    On 01-08-21 19:31, Paul Lee <=-
    spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: My nation, America, t <=-

    like... I don't think ANYONE should have been voting in
    person when there was a pandemic going on, in the country.
    It's more detrimental to MY health for you to have done
    so...

    Correct.

    But I bet I do agree on some things; I don;t think it was right to
    BLANKET send out ballots to EVERY citizen (God forbid NON-
    citizens!);

    Did that happen anywhere? I don't know, and would like to hear if so --
    and where. In my state, I had to request a mail in ballot. They were
    only sent to registered voters.

    I think we should have done NO in-person
    voting, well..

    There are states that agree with you. All voting is via mail in
    ballots.

    However, when you say you don't think republicans would do
    anything (i.e. like the dems using LEGAL strategies to
    better their odds of winning.) - thats BS. The republicans
    would do ANYTHING; even if it were the exact same thing the
    dems did this election!

    The Republicans for years have done things to suppress the voting. They
    know that the more people voting equates to more votes for Democratic candidates. Both parties had done gerry manding of districts when given
    the chance to do so.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, January 09, 2021 23:32:08
    On 01-10-21 00:07, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Paul Lee about Re: My nation, America, t <=-

    He hasn't hurt anyone in 4 years, but over the next 2 weeks he's
    gonna?

    A police man has died as a direct result of his actions which formented
    the invasion of the Capitol.

    There are more than 380,000 people dead from Covid. It did not have to
    be that bad if he had acted in time.

    There are no such thing as Republican extremists. I'll bet you a
    computer that you will never see protests all over the country in favor
    of Trump.

    What party were the thugs who invaded the Capitol? Or the ones who
    almost kidnaped and executed a state governor?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From SCOTT LABRECQUE@3:640/1115 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, January 09, 2021 21:46:24
    Correct, extremist exist on both sides.


    Scott
    On 1/9/2021 11:32 PM, Dale Shipp wrote to Aaron Thomas:

    @REPLY: 1:275/99 fff8d6fd
    @MSGID: 1:261/1466.0 5ffa8348
    On 01-10-21 00:07, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Paul Lee about Re: My nation, America, t <=-

    He hasn't hurt anyone in 4 years, but over the next 2 weeks he's
    gonna?

    A police man has died as a direct result of his actions which formented
    the invasion of the Capitol.

    There are more than 380,000 people dead from Covid. It did not have to
    be that bad if he had acted in time.

    There are no such thing as Republican extremists. I'll bet you a computer that you will never see protests all over the country in favor of Trump.

    What party were the thugs who invaded the Capitol? Or the ones who
    almost kidnaped and executed a state governor?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From SCOTT LABRECQUE@3:640/1115 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, January 09, 2021 21:46:24
    Correct, extremist exist on both sides.


    Scott
    On 1/9/2021 11:32 PM, Dale Shipp wrote to Aaron Thomas:

    @REPLY: 1:275/99 fff8d6fd
    @MSGID: 1:261/1466.0 5ffa8348
    On 01-10-21 00:07, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Paul Lee about Re: My nation, America, t <=-

    He hasn't hurt anyone in 4 years, but over the next 2 weeks he's
    gonna?

    A police man has died as a direct result of his actions which formented
    the invasion of the Capitol.

    There are more than 380,000 people dead from Covid. It did not have to
    be that bad if he had acted in time.

    There are no such thing as Republican extremists. I'll bet you a computer that you will never see protests all over the country in favor of Trump.

    What party were the thugs who invaded the Capitol? Or the ones who
    almost kidnaped and executed a state governor?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, January 09, 2021 20:09:34
    Am 09 Jan 21 06:36:12 schrob Aaron Thomas an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: My nation, America, took over Congress.>

    If you think the courts are corrupt, we're back to my suggestion of
    sending UNO troups to hold proper elections. However, this usually
    happens because the _government_ is manipulating the elections, not
    the opposition.
    Some members of this governemnt ARE manipulating the elections.

    Let's first wait for the final report of the OSCE's Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights. I'm expecting it to show up here within the next
    two weeks:
    https://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/usa/456787



    Tschoe mit Oe
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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, January 09, 2021 20:25:59
    Am 09 Jan 21 06:45:23 schrob Aaron Thomas an Dale Shipp zum Thema
    <Re: My nation, America,>

    For the first time ever in history, ALL Americans were entitled to
    mail-in ballot voting. That was unfair to the incumbents around the nation. Suddenly, everyone who's been watching the news all day has a ballot in their hand, where in all of history, they had to walk or drive to the polls. The abrupt change is not fair to Trump and it's not fair
    to the 50 or 51% of Americans who voted for him.

    How can it be "not fair" if everybody gets the chance to vote? The greek word demokratia means ruling of the people and that's everyone.
    Mail-in voting does have serval downsides, for example the lack of secrecy or the possibility of votes getting lost. Giving everyone the chance to vote is the only reason it exists at all.



    Tschoe mit Oe
    Gerhard
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to paul lee on Sunday, January 10, 2021 15:41:35
    We can do better.

    For sure!

    Voting in person really does suck sometimes. It's hardly worth all the
    trouble, especially if you're a registered Republican in a Democrat town. "They don't take kindly."

    Here's my idea: Allow electronic voting - but make the voter punch in their social security # or their driver's license # (or both) to verify identity and registration status. That way people don't have to get hassled at the polling places, at least not by humans who know your political party affiliation.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to paul lee on Sunday, January 10, 2021 15:43:04
    Oh, I think if the LEOs would have responded to the crowd on Wednesday with violence the way that black people in America have been dealing
    with for decades, let alone thru the protests of this summer, you would.

    What are LEOs?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, January 10, 2021 15:53:53
    I hope that you and the rest of the nation does that. The events of
    last Wednesday showed that not everyone is willing to do that.

    That was 90 idiots who think life is over because Biden won, or because Biden allegedly cheated. There's more to election day than the presidential
    election, and there's more to life than elections.

    I know a lot of other conservatives personally, and none of them are immature or careless enough to go smashing windows on federal property, or to take
    a dump on Pelosi's desk. Not even if the president told them to - which I don't think he did.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, January 10, 2021 15:57:27
    A police man has died as a direct result of his actions which formented the invasion of the Capitol.

    There are more than 380,000 people dead from Covid. It did not have to
    be that bad if he had acted in time.

    These 2 things are speculative. I don't believe that you can scientifically blame either of these on Trump or his supporters as a whole.

    What party were the thugs who invaded the Capitol? Or the ones who
    almost kidnaped and executed a state governor?

    It doesn't equate to Joe Biden's Antifa or Joe Biden's BLM. They did a lot
    more damage than Trump's dummies who broke a window.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gerhard Strangar on Sunday, January 10, 2021 15:59:56
    Let's first wait for the final report of the OSCE's Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights. I'm expecting it to show up here within
    the next two weeks:
    https://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/usa/456787

    Excellent! Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I will be eager to see what comes of it as well.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gerhard Strangar on Sunday, January 10, 2021 16:05:26
    How can it be "not fair" if everybody gets the chance to vote? The greek word demokratia means ruling of the people and that's everyone.

    It's fair but it's not fair. The 2 pandemics, covid-19 and TDS, worked
    together to ensure Biden's victory.

    If we're going to repair a broken Democracy, why start now? Where was "vote from home" during the 2012 election?

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:49:37
    Am 10 Jan 21 05:54:06 schrob Lee Lofaso an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <My nation, America, took over Congress.>

    If you think the courts are corrupt, we're back to my suggestion of >>sending UNO troups to hold proper elections. However, this usually >>happens because the _government_ is manipulating the elections, not
    the opposition.
    How did that work out in Belarus?

    What do you mean? There haven't been any UN soldiers, yet.



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerhard Strangar on Sunday, January 10, 2021 21:26:02
    Hello Gerhard,

    If you think the courts are corrupt, we're back to my suggestion of >GS>>sending UNO troups to hold proper elections. However, this usually >GS>>happens because the _government_ is manipulating the elections, not
    the opposition.
    Some members of this governemnt ARE manipulating the elections.

    Let's first wait for the final report of the OSCE's Office for Democratic
    Institutions and Human Rights. I'm expecting it to show up here within the next two weeks: https://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/usa/456787


    Please keep us updated on this. What a great topic for debate.
    Thanks for the url.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, January 10, 2021 21:26:17
    Hello Dale,

    He hasn't hurt anyone in 4 years, but over the next 2 weeks he's
    gonna?

    A police man has died as a direct result of his actions which formented the
    invasion of the Capitol.

    US flags were *not* flown at half-mast after his death. The man
    was a patriot, defending this country, from thugs who desecrated
    everything this country stands for. That shows how much Trump
    cares about this country, and its people. Truly disgusting, and
    mentally disturbed, individual.

    There are more than 380,000 people dead from Covid. It did not have to be
    that bad if he had acted in time.

    How many cases so far? Some 22 million or so? And the numbers
    keep climging. At faster and faster rates. How many more people
    will die, needlessly, as a result of what that madman has done?
    His failure to act is his own doing. His enablers are just as
    guilty for having supported that maniac.

    There are no such thing as Republican extremists. I'll bet you a >AT>computer that you will never see protests all over the country in
    favor of Trump.

    What party were the thugs who invaded the Capitol? Or the ones who
    almost kidnaped and executed a state governor?

    The same party as David Duke, a former grand wizard of the KKK.

    The first time I met Duke was at LSU. On the steps of the student
    union. He was decked out in full Nazi garb, giving a speech to the
    students gathered for a "free speech alley" event. He was much
    younger then. Today he is the same age as Trump.

    note: Duke was a history major, but never graduated.

    --Lee

    --
    Everybody Loves Our Buns

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerhard Strangar on Monday, January 11, 2021 07:02:18
    Hello Gerhard,

    If you think the courts are corrupt, we're back to my suggestion of
    sending UNO troups to hold proper elections. However, this usually
    happens because the _government_ is manipulating the elections, not the >>> opposition.

    How did that work out in Belarus?

    What do you mean? There haven't been any UN soldiers, yet.

    That may be due to their dear leader having won the last election
    by winning 80+% of the vote, with all his opposition being locked up
    in prison or going into exile.

    --Lee

    --
    Drive One

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 11, 2021 07:02:24
    Hello Aaron,

    We can do better.

    For sure!

    Voting in person really does suck sometimes. It's hardly worth all the >trouble, especially if you're a registered Republican in a Democrat town.
    "They don't take kindly."

    Here's my idea: Allow electronic voting - but make the voter punch in their >social security # or their driver's license # (or both) to verify identity
    and registration status. That way people don't have to get hassled at the polling places, at least not by humans who know your political party affiliation.

    I have a better idea. Have automatic voter registration.
    The moment an individual turns 18, he or she is automatically
    registered to vote. That makes it super-simple for everybody.

    No need for anybody to go through hoops of trouble. Just turn
    18 and your done. How hard can that be?

    --Lee

    --
    Why not enjoy the go?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 11, 2021 07:02:33
    Hello Aaron,

    I hope that you and the rest of the nation does that. The events of >DS>last Wednesday showed that not everyone is willing to do that.

    That was 90 idiots who think life is over because Biden won, or because
    Biden allegedly cheated. There's more to election day than the presidential election, and there's more to life than elections.

    Those were domestic terrorists, including one who had a gun intending
    to kill Speaker Pelosi. Those domestic terrorists knew where their
    targets were supposed to be, and fully intended to kill them. Not just
    Speaker Pelosi, but also others. The original signed certified copies
    of the electoral votes were also a target, which had been kept in
    Sen. Duckworth's office. Fortunately, one of her aides retrieved the
    certified copies as they were evacuating the Capitol building.

    So please. Never call them "rioters" or "idiots" as these people
    clearly knew what they were doing. And they did it on orders from
    their dear leader - an orange turd who should be charged and brought
    to justice himself for his heinous actions.

    I know a lot of other conservatives personally,

    None of those people were "conservatives". ALL of them are domestic
    terrorists who did this country harm. Their actions were dangerous,
    and deadly.

    and none of them are immature or careless enough to go smashing windows on
    federal property,

    Every single one of them did it on purpose.

    or to take a dump on Pelosi's desk.

    One of them wanted to shoot her dead, and brought a gun with him
    to do it with.

    Not even if the president told them to - which I don't think he did.

    Bull fucking shit.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 11, 2021 07:02:39
    Hello Aaron,

    A police man has died as a direct result of his actions which formented >DS>the invasion of the Capitol.
    There are more than 380,000 people dead from Covid. It did not have
    to
    be that bad if he had acted in time.

    These 2 things are speculative. I don't believe that you can scientifically >blame either of these on Trump or his supporters as a whole.

    The proof is in the pudding. All one has to do is compare the stats
    as shown online at various sites. This was a massive failure by Trump,
    who always tried to blame others for his own f*ck-ups.

    What party were the thugs who invaded the Capitol? Or the ones who >DS>almost kidnaped and executed a state governor?

    It doesn't equate to Joe Biden's Antifa or Joe Biden's BLM. They did a lot
    more damage than Trump's dummies who broke a window.

    This was inciting an insurrection. By the president. That is not
    treason, but worse. The man should be tossed out of office and put
    in prison for at least the next 20 years - without benefit of parole.

    --Lee

    --
    Work sets you free.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 11, 2021 07:02:46
    Hello Aaron,

    How can it be "not fair" if everybody gets the chance to vote? The greek >GS>word demokratia means ruling of the people and that's everyone.

    It's fair but it's not fair. The 2 pandemics, covid-19 and TDS, worked >together to ensure Biden's victory.

    "Life is not fair." ~JFK

    More people voted for Biden than Trump. Millions more. It was not
    the pandemic that did Trump in. It was Donald Trump himself.

    If we're going to repair a broken Democracy, why start now? Where was "vote
    from home" during the 2012 election?

    I'm all in favor for voting over the internet.
    Or voting with your iphone or other device.
    Or whatever other choice one wishes to vote.

    Look at it this way -

    Government provides, business denies. That is why pro-democracy means
    more choices and opportunites rather than less.

    --Lee

    --
    Make Sure Your Next Erection Is In Safe Hands

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 11, 2021 00:06:00
    On 01-10-21 15:53, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: My nation, America, <=-


    I hope that you and the rest of the nation does that. The events of
    last Wednesday showed that not everyone is willing to do that.

    That was 90 idiots who think life is over because Biden won, or
    because Biden allegedly cheated. There's more to election day than the presidential election, and there's more to life than elections.

    Unfortunately, it was a lot more than 90. I believe that about 100 have
    been identified and arrested. I'd guess that there were thousands in
    the crowds -- most of whom had enough sense not to go inside.

    I know a lot of other conservatives personally, and none of them are immature or careless enough to go smashing windows on federal property,
    or to take a dump on Pelosi's desk.

    We can both hope.

    Not even if the president told
    them to - which I don't
    think he did.

    The rioters think that he did.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 11, 2021 00:09:02
    On 01-10-21 15:57, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: My nation, America, <=-

    A police man has died as a direct result of his actions which formented the invasion of the Capitol.

    There are more than 380,000 people dead from Covid. It did not have to
    be that bad if he had acted in time.

    These 2 things are speculative. I don't believe that you can scientifically blame either of these on Trump or his supporters as a whole.

    It is not speculative that a policeman died as a result of actions of
    the mob. It is not speculative that more than 380,000 people have died
    of Covid. In the beginning stages, Trump stood on the stage with
    experts who said that models predicted as few as 60,000 deaths *IF*
    people practiced social distancing, wore masks and avoided crowds. And
    then he went on to actively discourage those very safety measures. He
    could have acted differently. He knew it was serious (as early as
    Feb.), but kept downplaying it in public instead of telling the awkward
    truth.

    What party were the thugs who invaded the Capitol? Or the ones who
    almost kidnaped and executed a state governor?

    It doesn't equate to Joe Biden's Antifa or Joe Biden's BLM. They did a
    lot more damage than Trump's dummies who broke a window.

    Neither of those movements have anything to do with Joe Biden. And
    Trump's rioters did a lot more than break a window. Many of them will
    now face prosecution for federal crimes.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, January 11, 2021 00:15:04
    On 01-10-21 21:26, Lee Lofaso <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about My nation, America, <=-

    A police man has died as a direct result of his actions which formented the
    invasion of the Capitol.

    US flags were *not* flown at half-mast after his death. The man
    was a patriot, defending this country, from thugs who desecrated everything this country stands for.

    Flags were flown at half mast.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Paul Lee on Monday, January 11, 2021 00:53:16
    On 01-09-21 20:25, Paul Lee <=-
    spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: My nation, America, t <=-

    really hope we think, together, and figure out a smarter
    way to conduct elections in the future. While I think this
    vote got a lot more voters to.. vote, I still think we have
    to make sure the votes are from registered, legal voters
    and this can't be the best way....

    The mail in ballots do make sure that the votes received are from
    registered, legal voters.

    Just recieving mass-mailed envelopes an carte blanche
    accepting that they are all correct and valid.

    They do not carte blanche accept that they are all correct and valid.
    They check the signature on the outside envelope and verify against the
    voter roles.

    We can do better.

    How?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, January 11, 2021 05:58:53
    No need for anybody to go through hoops of trouble. Just turn
    18 and your done. How hard can that be?

    Yes, now you're talking! That is a good point. If you're old enough to vote, then you should be able to walk out the door and vote without having to wait for some stupid registration card that the poll workers never look at anyway.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, January 11, 2021 06:06:37
    to kill Speaker Pelosi. Those domestic terrorists knew where their
    targets were supposed to be, and fully intended to kill them. Not just

    They actually didn't know. They walked right by an unlocked door that would have swung open to the meeting.

    None of those people were "conservatives". ALL of them are domestic terrorists who did this country harm. Their actions were dangerous,
    and deadly.

    I think you're right. I bet they were liberals tools paid for by the Joe Biden campaign.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, January 11, 2021 06:07:55
    This was inciting an insurrection. By the president. That is not

    This is the exploitation of a deceased police officer for political gain.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, January 11, 2021 06:09:58
    I'm all in favor for voting over the internet.
    Or voting with your iphone or other device.

    Over the internet, maybe. But I don't think Republicans will agree to casting votes on a liberal device that comes pre-packaged with goodies from Apple or Google.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Monday, January 11, 2021 07:05:05
    Unfortunately, it was a lot more than 90. I believe that about 100 have been identified and arrested. I'd guess that there were thousands in
    the crowds -- most of whom had enough sense not to go inside.

    That's re-assuring. Thousands of people were there protesting outside, and 100 idiots decided to break in to the building. That seems like it almost proves Trump's innocence.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Monday, January 11, 2021 07:11:11
    It doesn't equate to Joe Biden's Antifa or Joe Biden's BLM. They did lot more damage than Trump's dummies who broke a window.

    Neither of those movements have anything to do with Joe Biden. And

    One of the spokespersons for BLM said "We elected you Joe Biden. Now what are you gonna do for us?"

    What does he mean by that? How did BLM elect Joe Biden? My interpretation is that they elected him by trashing cities across America, causing voters to think that all the destruction is Trump's fault, so they would refuse to vote for the president who let it all happen.

    Am I on to something?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 11, 2021 05:26:27
    Re: Re: My nation, America,
    By: Aaron Thomas to Dale Shipp on Mon Jan 11 2021 07:05 am

    That's re-assuring. Thousands of people were there protesting outside, and 100 idiots decided to break in to the building. That seems like it almost proves Trump's innocence.

    Eh? ;)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 11, 2021 17:44:56
    Am 10 Jan 21 15:41:35 schrob Aaron Thomas an paul lee zum Thema
    <Re: My nation, America, took over Congress.>

    Voting in person really does suck sometimes. It's hardly worth all the trouble,

    I'm sure, there are lots of people on this planet who would walk some miles and
    counts sheets of paper if that's all they needed to to to have democracy.

    Here's my idea: Allow electronic voting - but make the voter punch in
    their social security # or their driver's license # (or both) to
    verify identity and registration status.

    How do you achieve secrecy in this voting system?
    How does the voter know if their vote was counted?
    How do you make sure noone adds votes by entering a magic number, using a modified software, modiefied hardware, etc.?
    How do you know there are no bugs that miscount the votes?
    And how do you make sure people trust in the solutions you found to the problems above?



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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 11, 2021 17:40:28
    Am 10 Jan 21 16:05:26 schrob Aaron Thomas an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: My nation, America,>

    It's fair but it's not fair. The 2 pandemics, covid-19 and TDS, worked together to ensure Biden's victory.

    What's TDS?



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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, January 11, 2021 17:54:53
    Am 11 Jan 21 07:02:18 schrob Lee Lofaso an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <My nation, America, took over Congress.>

    If you think the courts are corrupt, we're back to my suggestion of
    sending UNO troups to hold proper elections. However, this usually
    happens because the _government_ is manipulating the elections, not
    the opposition.
    How did that work out in Belarus?
    What do you mean? There haven't been any UN soldiers, yet.
    That may be due to their dear leader having won the last election
    by winning 80+% of the vote, with all his opposition being locked up
    in prison or going into exile.

    So far, we're only at the step of not accepting the vote, damaning new ones under international supervision and imposing sanctions. Sanctions wouldn't work
    for the USA, they call it tarriffs and impose them on themselves. :-)




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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 11, 2021 18:34:45
    Am 10 Jan 21 15:41:35 schrob Aaron Thomas an paul lee zum Thema
    <Re: My nation, America, took over Congress.>

    Voting in person really does suck sometimes. It's hardly worth all the trouble,

    You're free to move to a nation where you don't need to vote. ;-)

    Here's my idea: Allow electronic voting - but make the voter punch in their social security # or their driver's license # (or both) to verify identity and registration status.

    How do you achieve secrecy?
    How do you know the software isn't buggy?
    How do voters know if their vote was counted?
    How do voters know that it's impossible to add some votes with a "magic number"?
    How do you make sure, voters trust your system?



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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 11, 2021 18:35:16
    Am 10 Jan 21 16:05:26 schrob Aaron Thomas an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: My nation, America,>

    It's fair but it's not fair. The 2 pandemics, covid-19 and TDS, worked together to ensure Biden's victory.

    What's TDS?



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Monday, January 11, 2021 17:07:35
    That's re-assuring. Thousands of people were there protesting outside 100 idiots decided to break in to the building. That seems like it al proves Trump's innocence.

    Eh? ;)

    If it was a coordinated attack, planned by the president, how is it that not a single Demorcrat was injured by thousands of "Republican Rebels?"

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gerhard Strangar on Monday, January 11, 2021 23:36:11
    How do you achieve secrecy in this voting system?
    How does the voter know if their vote was counted?
    How do you make sure noone adds votes by entering a magic number, using a modified software, modiefied hardware, etc.?
    How do you know there are no bugs that miscount the votes?
    And how do you make sure people trust in the solutions you found to the problems above?

    I can provide simple solutions for this - but I'm no expert obviously. I wish
    I could count on the US govt to make it happen, but as far as I know, they haven't come together on any sweeping changes to our voting system. Instead, states are doing whatever they want - and I really mean whatever they want - without any obvious input from residents.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gerhard Strangar on Monday, January 11, 2021 23:36:35
    It's fair but it's not fair. The 2 pandemics, covid-19 and TDS, worked together to ensure Biden's victory.

    What's TDS?

    Trump Derrangement Syndrome. It's an irrational fear of his accent, his intentions, a jealousy of his personal success and wealth, and a jealousy of how well his policies have helped the American people economically.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 11, 2021 23:00:02
    On 01-11-21 07:05, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: My nation, America, <=-


    Unfortunately, it was a lot more than 90. I believe that about 100 have been identified and arrested. I'd guess that there were thousands in
    the crowds -- most of whom had enough sense not to go inside.

    That's re-assuring. Thousands of people were there protesting outside,
    and 100 idiots decided to break in to the building. That seems like it almost proves Trump's innocence.

    There were well more than 100 who broke into the building. The figure
    of about 100 is just those who have been identified and arrested so far.
    More to come.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, January 12, 2021 00:23:40
    Just recieving mass-mailed envelopes an carte blanche
    accepting that they are all correct and valid.

    They do not carte blanche accept that they are all correct and valid.
    They check the signature on the outside envelope and verify against the voter roles.

    We can do better.

    How?

    So my girlfriend and I got into this topic this week... I understand that this time around we reached many more legal voters than we normally would. And I am all for that - I'm all for bringing voters who are otherwise disenfranchised from the voting process, to it. However... I still have some hangup with mass mailing every registered voter a mail-in ballot.

    On normal years, unless you request a mail-in ballot, or live in a mail-in only
    state, you have to physically go in person and vote. You show your ID. You vote. You get checked off, so that you can't vote twice.

    I heard your reply that they 'check signatures' but I have heard this disputed in the news... and I DO think we can do better.

    In a non-pandemic year, I think the process of in-person voting and mailing to registered voters who show a reason for the mail-in need, is great.

    I do think that even in a pandemic, folks should have to raise their hand or otherwise request a mail-in ballot.

    If we mass-mail all registered voters, it DOES increase the probability that say 'the man of the house' could mark whatever side they prefer and 'vote' for all in the household, that nursing homes or other similar situations can happen
    like that... and that there is some middle ground that is better than what we did this year.

    That being said, I think we did an awesome thing this year... I just don't like
    the mass mail-ins. Period.



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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, January 12, 2021 02:22:35
    Re: Re: My nation, America,
    By: Aaron Thomas to Alan Ianson on Mon Jan 11 2021 05:07 pm

    If it was a coordinated attack, planned by the president, how is it that not a single Demorcrat was injured by thousands of "Republican Rebels?"

    Donald Trump was stirring it up, hoping to overturn the election results.

    Donald Trumps seditious speech sparked an insurrection. Five people died and I don't know how many were injured or just how much damage was done.

    The issue here is not democrats injured or republican rebels.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerhard Strangar on Tuesday, January 12, 2021 15:25:07
    Hello Gerhard,

    If you think the courts are corrupt, we're back to my suggestion of
    sending UNO troups to hold proper elections. However, this usually
    happens because the _government_ is manipulating the elections, not >>>>> the opposition.
    How did that work out in Belarus?
    What do you mean? There haven't been any UN soldiers, yet.

    That may be due to their dear leader having won the last election
    by winning 80+% of the vote, with all his opposition being locked up
    in prison or going into exile.

    So far, we're only at the step of not accepting the vote, damaning new ones
    under international supervision and imposing sanctions. Sanctions wouldn't work for the USA, they call it tarriffs and impose them on themselves. :-)

    President Barack Obama imposed sanctions on Russia after it invaded
    a portion of Ukraine (Crimea) and illegally annexed that territory as
    its own. Those were not tariffs. And have never been lifted.

    --Lee

    --
    You're fired, Donald!

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerhard Strangar on Tuesday, January 12, 2021 15:25:13
    Hello Gerhard,

    Voting in person really does suck sometimes. It's hardly worth all the >AT>trouble,

    You're free to move to a nation where you don't need to vote. ;-)

    It used to be that folks in the old USSR had no choice but
    to vote for the candidate of the politburo's choice. But Vladimir
    Putin has changed all that. Now the folks in Russia have no choice
    but to vote for the candidate of his own choice.

    Here's my idea: Allow electronic voting - but make the voter punch in
    their social security # or their driver's license # (or both) to verify AT>identity and registration status.

    How do you achieve secrecy?

    By having the secret police count the secret ballots.

    How do you know the software isn't buggy?

    By debugging the buggy software.

    How do voters know if their vote was counted?

    By watching the watchers who watch the watchers.

    How do voters know that it's impossible to add some votes with a "magic
    number"?

    By being the only one who knows the "magic number".

    How do you make sure, voters trust your system?

    By making it my very own system.

    --Lee

    --
    Nothing sucks like an Electrolux

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerhard Strangar on Tuesday, January 12, 2021 15:25:18
    Hello Gerhard,

    It's fair but it's not fair. The 2 pandemics, covid-19 and TDS, worked >AT>together to ensure Biden's victory.

    What's TDS?

    Trump Destruction Syndrome.

    --Lee

    --
    I think they bought a Jeep

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, January 12, 2021 15:25:55
    Hello Aaron,

    to kill Speaker Pelosi. Those domestic terrorists knew where their >LL>targets were supposed to be, and fully intended to kill them. Not just

    They actually didn't know.

    Yes, they did. The man who sat in Pelosi's desk brought a gun
    with him, intending to shoot her dead with it. Rep. Clyburn said
    they knew where he and others were supposed to be when they came
    looking for them, along with trying to find the vice president.
    Six people are dead, including two capitol police officers. Trump
    has blood on his hands, and everybody knows it.

    They walked right by an unlocked door that would have swung open to the
    meeting.

    Trump told them to storm the Capitol building. So they did.
    That is inciting an insurrection.

    None of those people were "conservatives". ALL of them are domestic >LL>terrorists who did this country harm. Their actions were dangerous,
    and deadly.

    I think you're right.

    I know I am right. So does every member of Congress. And the vast
    majority of the American people. As well as Donald J. Trump himself.

    I bet they were liberals tools paid for by the Joe Biden campaign.

    Joe Biden hitmen wearing MAGA hats? I don't think so.

    --Lee

    --
    You're fired, Donald!

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, January 12, 2021 15:26:17
    Hello Dale,

    A police man has died as a direct result of his actions which formented the >>invasion of the Capitol.

    US flags were *not* flown at half-mast after his death. The man
    was a patriot, defending this country, from thugs who desecrated >LL>everything this country stands for.

    Flags were flown at half mast.

    Not at the White House. Trump waited until Sunday to order US flags
    to be flown at half-mast. Only afterwards were his orders followed.

    What a sick puppy.

    --Lee

    --
    Get Her Wet Here

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, January 12, 2021 15:27:19
    Hello Aaron,

    This was inciting an insurrection. By the president. That is not

    This is the exploitation of a deceased police officer for political gain.

    Your beloved orange turd was responsible for his death. He should
    be held accountable for his actions. Starting with his resignation
    or removal from office.

    --Lee

    --
    Silence is violence!

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, January 12, 2021 15:27:28
    Hello Aaron,

    I'm all in favor for voting over the internet.
    Or voting with your iphone or other device.

    Over the internet, maybe. But I don't think Republicans will agree to
    casting votes on a liberal device that comes pre-packaged with goodies from Apple or Google.

    Won't really matter. With the Republican Party fracturing into
    miniscule pieces, there won't be any more Republicans left to worry
    about.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, January 12, 2021 15:27:34
    Hello Aaron,

    No need for anybody to go through hoops of trouble. Just turn
    18 and your done. How hard can that be?

    Yes, now you're talking! That is a good point. If you're old enough to vote, >then you should be able to walk out the door and vote without having to wait >for some stupid registration card that the poll workers never look at
    anyway.

    Why have age restrictions at all? We have automatic voter registration
    now, so why wait until someone turns 18? We can do it the moment a
    baby is born. That way, everybody in America will have the right to
    vote, with no more age discrimination. What do you say about that?

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, January 12, 2021 07:01:17
    There were well more than 100 who broke into the building. The figure
    of about 100 is just those who have been identified and arrested so far. More to come.

    The impeachment seems pointless to me.

    Doesn't it bother you that there are things we need from the federal govt more than impeachment of Trump, but all they wanna do is point fingers at Trump day after day?

    All the stuff that Trump did wrong in his "weak response" to covid - why don't we fix some of that stuff? All international travel should be closed, but it's not. Why don't Congress close international travel to help fight covid?
    Because we're too busy with impeachment?

    There have been complaints about the vaccine distribution - we don't need a president to dream that up on his own - why doesn't Congress write a bill? Impeachment?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, January 12, 2021 19:49:39
    Hello Aaron,

    That's re-assuring. Thousands of people were there protesting
    outside AI> AT> 100 idiots decided to break in to the building. That
    seems like it al AI> AT> proves Trump's innocence.
    Eh? ;)

    If it was a coordinated attack, planned by the president, how is it that not
    a single Demorcrat was injured by thousands of "Republican Rebels?"

    Because they evacuated in time.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, January 12, 2021 19:49:45
    After serious thinking Aaron Thomas : Gerhard Strangar wrote :
    How do you achieve secrecy in this voting system?
    How does the voter know if their vote was counted?
    How do you make sure noone adds votes by entering a magic number,
    using a GS> modified software, modiefied hardware, etc.?
    How do you know there are no bugs that miscount the votes?
    And how do you make sure people trust in the solutions you found to
    the
    problems above?

    I can provide simple solutions for this - but I'm no expert obviously. I
    wish
    I could count on the US govt to make it happen, but as far as I know, they haven't come together on any sweeping changes to our voting system.
    Instead,
    states are doing whatever they want - and I really mean whatever they want
    -
    without any obvious input from residents.

    We do not have national elections, but state elections.
    And states have changed their voting systems, with laws passed
    over the years to do so.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, January 12, 2021 19:49:51
    Hello Aaron,

    It's fair but it's not fair. The 2 pandemics, covid-19 and TDS,
    worked GS> AT> together to ensure Biden's victory.
    What's TDS?

    Trump Derrangement Syndrome. It's an irrational fear of his accent, his >intentions, a jealousy of his personal success and wealth, and a jealousy of >how well his policies have helped the American people economically.

    I call it Trump Destruction Syndrome.

    And to think he did it all to himself.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to paul lee on Tuesday, January 12, 2021 19:50:02
    Hello Paul,

    Just recieving mass-mailed envelopes an carte blanche DS> PL>
    accepting that they are all correct and valid. DS> DS> They do not carte blanche accept that they are all correct and valid.
    They check the signature on the outside envelope and verify against
    the
    voter roles.
    We can do better.
    How?

    So my girlfriend and I got into this topic this week... I understand that
    this time around we reached many more legal voters than we normally would. And I am all for that - I'm all for bringing voters who are otherwise disenfranchised from the voting process, to it. However... I still have
    some hangup with mass mailing every registered voter a mail-in ballot.

    Some states have only vote by mail as a means for voting.
    And none plan on returning to in-person voting only as a means
    of voting any time soon. People like the convenience, and not
    having to go out in inclement weather in order to vote person.

    We have plenty of safeguards in place in order to make it
    virtually impossible for voter fraud to happen. Once a person
    has been registered to vote, what more does one need?

    On normal years, unless you request a mail-in ballot, or live in a mail-in
    only state, you have to physically go in person and vote. You show your ID. You vote. You get checked off, so that you can't vote twice.

    Why should anybody be forced to vote in person? That is a very
    anti-democratic way of doing things. The more options people have,
    the more democratic this country is. So why not promote democracy
    by being pro-democratic rather than anti-democratic?

    Make it the normal for every state to have mail-in ballots and
    early voting allowed for all elections. Sure, in-person voting should
    also be available. But that can be regarded as an option by states.

    I heard your reply that they 'check signatures' but I have heard this
    disputed in the news... and I DO think we can do better.

    There are ways that 'check signatures' can be abused. Some folks
    have poor handwriting. Some lawyers try to argue that a signature
    of an individual is a forged signature, trying to get that vote
    thrown out (a means of voter suppression).

    In a non-pandemic year, I think the process of in-person voting and mailing
    to registered voters who show a reason for the mail-in need, is great.

    Mail-in voting and early voting should be the normal in all
    elections, regardless of whether or not there is a pandemic.
    In-person voting can always be kept as an option, but there
    is no necessity for making that mandatory.

    I do think that even in a pandemic, folks should have to raise their hand or
    otherwise request a mail-in ballot.

    Why? Some states have only mail-in ballots and early voting
    available. So why force folks to have to raise their hand in
    order to request a ballot? That is anti-democratic. Let's
    be the democracy this country was always meant to be by being
    pro-democratic rather than anti-democratic. Certainly that
    makes more sense.

    If we mass-mail all registered voters, it DOES increase the probability that
    say 'the man of the house' could mark whatever side they prefer and 'vote' for all in the household, that nursing homes or other similar situations
    can happen like that... and that there is some middle ground that is better than what we did this year.

    You are being silly. Voter registration is for individuals only.
    Entire families cannot be registered as a unit. And people can only
    vote as individuals, not as entire families or groups of people.

    When filing taxes, one can claim to be 'head of household'.
    But that is not the same as voting for everybody in the family.
    What silly nonsense.

    What would be great is to totally do away with using age as
    a factor as to who should be allowed to vote. It used to be age
    21 was when people could vote, even though one had to be age 25
    in order to hold a seat in Congress. Then the age was lowered
    to 18, since people that age could be drafted and sent to war.
    But why should there be an age minimum at all? We have no age
    maximum, with old folks who cannot remember their own name
    being able to vote. So why not children? Or newborn babies?
    Or babies still in the womb?

    If we are a democracy, we should go whole hog. Let everybody vote!

    That being said, I think we did an awesome thing this year...

    It was a start in becoming a better democracy than it was before.

    I just don't like the mass mail-ins. Period.

    The more options people have, the more democratic this country is.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, January 12, 2021 16:13:57
    Six people are dead, including two capitol police officers. Trump
    has blood on his hands, and everybody knows it.

    Everybody wants that to be the truth.

    Trump told them to storm the Capitol building. So they did.
    That is inciting an insurrection.

    That's twisting his words. I don't believe he said "storm the Capitol building." "Go down there and storm the Capitol building." Nice try!

    Joe Biden hitmen wearing MAGA hats? I don't think so.

    You're hilarious! Like someone can't put an enemy hat on to blend in?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, January 12, 2021 16:30:08
    Why have age restrictions at all? We have automatic voter registration now, so why wait until someone turns 18? We can do it the moment a
    baby is born. That way, everybody in America will have the right to
    vote, with no more age discrimination. What do you say about that?

    Sounds good! My kids know who to vote against.

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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, January 12, 2021 15:57:29
    You are being silly. Voter registration is for individuals only.
    Entire families cannot be registered as a unit. And people can only
    vote as individuals, not as entire families or groups of people.

    When filing taxes, one can claim to be 'head of household'.
    But that is not the same as voting for everybody in the family.
    What silly nonsense.

    If you don't think those instances arise, much more than if folks vote in person, I think you're being silly.

    Dad is 55 years old and Pro Trump, but has a 19year old daughter and a 22 year old son. His 57 year old wife also votes; Dad is a bastard and used to make the
    kids pick their own switches for whippings. When the ballots come in, Dad checks them all and sends them off. That happens. As does shenanigans at nursing homes, mentally assisted homes, etc etc etc. Its just something that we
    don't need to ADD. Why would we?

    I'd be more apt to be fine with it if we all voted online and used 2FA with the
    individuals cell phones. IMO thats more safegaurded than PAPER ballots. Ick.

    Its so 1980.



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Paul Lee on Wednesday, January 13, 2021 00:19:00
    On 01-12-21 00:23, Paul Lee <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Mail In ballots <=-

    I do think that even in a pandemic, folks should have to
    raise their hand or otherwise request a mail-in ballot.

    That is what happened in my state. They mailed an application for a
    mail-in ballot to all registered voters. One then needed to fill that
    out and send it in to get the actual ballot delivered.

    I think that method gets to all registered voters and gives them a
    better opportunity to cast their vote.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, January 13, 2021 01:33:02
    On 01-12-21 07:01, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: My nation, America, <=-


    There were well more than 100 who broke into the building. The figure
    of about 100 is just those who have been identified and arrested so far. More to come.

    The impeachment seems pointless to me.

    In other words you are saying that Trump and all future Presidents
    should be given a free pass to incite insurrection without any penalty?
    IMO, impeachment of Trump serves to send notice that what he did is not acceptable. To be silent sends notice that what he did can be tolerated without consequences at any time in the future. In addition,
    impeachment would prevent him from seeking any federal office in the
    future.

    Doesn't it bother you that there are things we need from the federal
    govt more than impeachment of Trump, but all they wanna do is point fingers at Trump day after day?

    He deserves that by his actions.

    All the stuff that Trump did wrong in his "weak response" to covid -
    why don't we fix some of that stuff? All international travel should be closed, but it's not. Why don't Congress close international travel to help fight covid? Because we're too busy with impeachment?

    Trump could close international travel (if it is not already closed).

    There have been complaints about the vaccine distribution - we don't
    need a president to dream that up on his own - why doesn't Congress
    write a bill? Impeachment?

    Actually, it would not be a normal function for Congress. It should
    fall under the Executive branch. But he has ignored that.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Paul Lee on Wednesday, January 13, 2021 00:44:04
    On 01-12-21 15:57, Paul Lee <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Mail In ballots <=-

    I'd be more apt to be fine with it if we all voted online and used 2FA with the individuals cell phones. IMO thats more safegaurded
    than PAPER ballots. Ick.

    What do you mean by 2FA? Is it something that is a smart phone ap? I
    don't have a smart phone.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, January 13, 2021 07:35:58
    In other words you are saying that Trump and all future Presidents
    should be given a free pass to incite insurrection without any penalty?

    I don't agree that Trump incited an insurrection. They incited themselves.

    Doesn't it bother you that there are things we need from the federal govt more than impeachment of Trump, but all they wanna do is point fingers at Trump day after day?

    He deserves that by his actions.

    That's like saying "The American people deserve that because of Trump's actions."

    Actually, it would not be a normal function for Congress. It should
    fall under the Executive branch. But he has ignored that.

    Congress can write bills too, but we're ignoring that?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, January 13, 2021 19:57:26
    Hello Aaron,

    Six people are dead, including two capitol police officers. Trump
    has blood on his hands, and everybody knows it.

    Everybody wants that to be the truth.

    The truth? What is the truth? You wouldn't know the truth
    if it bit you in the ass.

    Trump told them to storm the Capitol building. So they did.
    That is inciting an insurrection.

    That's twisting his words.

    The articles of impeachment filed against Trump spell it out
    clearly, for all to understand. Read it. Only four pages long.

    I don't believe he said "storm the Capitol building." "Go down there and
    storm the Capitol building." Nice try!

    That is what he said, although not in those exact words.

    Joe Biden hitmen wearing MAGA hats? I don't think so.

    You're hilarious! Like someone can't put an enemy hat on to blend in?

    Shopify has permanently banned Donald Trump, meaning his online
    stores can no longer sell his products (such as MAGA hats).

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, January 13, 2021 19:57:45
    Hello Aaron,

    Why have age restrictions at all? We have automatic voter registration >LL>now, so why wait until someone turns 18? We can do it the moment a
    baby is born. That way, everybody in America will have the right to >LL>vote, with no more age discrimination. What do you say about that?

    Sounds good! My kids know who to vote against.

    We have to change our ways, and become a pro-life America.
    And that means being pro-life for everybody. As such, we cannot
    discriminate against those who are not quite here yet in the
    real world, by allowing them to have their own say while they
    are still in their mother's womb awaiting their arrival here.
    That means pregnant women should be allowed to vote by proxy.
    One vote per unborn baby. Those carrying quintuplets would
    get six votes - one for mommy, and five for babies to be.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to paul lee on Wednesday, January 13, 2021 19:57:51
    Hello Paul,

    You are being silly. Voter registration is for individuals only.
    Entire families cannot be registered as a unit. And people can only >LL>vote as individuals, not as entire families or groups of people.
    When filing taxes, one can claim to be 'head of household'.
    But that is not the same as voting for everybody in the family.
    What silly nonsense.

    If you don't think those instances arise, much more than if folks vote in
    person, I think you're being silly.

    I seriously doubt anybody has even tried to vote for an entire
    family, much less accomplishing the impossible feat.

    Dad is 55 years old and Pro Trump, but has a 19year old daughter and a 22
    year old son. His 57 year old wife also votes; Dad is a bastard and used to make the kids pick their own switches for whippings. When the ballots come in, Dad checks them all and sends them off. That happens. As does
    shenanigans at nursing homes, mentally assisted homes, etc etc etc. Its
    just something that we don't need to ADD. Why would we?

    Fortunately for us, we do not live in a banana republic.

    I'd be more apt to be fine with it if we all voted online and used 2FA with
    the individuals cell phones. IMO thats more safegaurded than PAPER ballots. Ick.

    Most people who voted by mail or voted early used paper ballots.
    And also many who voted in person on election day. For states that
    used electronic voting, having paper backup ballots is a must as
    a safeguard against voter fraud.

    Its so 1980.

    This is now, with many more options being available for voting.
    We should go further, and increase those options, as well as expand
    the voting rights to include ALL Americans, including those who are
    doing time in prison.

    --Lee

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, January 13, 2021 07:15:06
    Am 11 Jan 21 23:36:11 schrob Aaron Thomas an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: My nation, America, took over Congress.>

    How do you achieve secrecy in this voting system?
    How does the voter know if their vote was counted?
    How do you make sure noone adds votes by entering a magic number,
    using a modified software, modiefied hardware, etc.?
    How do you know there are no bugs that miscount the votes?
    And how do you make sure people trust in the solutions you found to
    the problems above?
    I can provide simple solutions for this

    Then stop writing here and build that system, because noone else knows how to do that.



    Tschoe mit Oe
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, January 13, 2021 20:37:06
    The articles of impeachment filed against Trump spell it out
    clearly, for all to understand. Read it. Only four pages long.

    Show me evidence of Trump having planned an attack on the Capitol - that's
    all I need to see.

    Now I read more...

    They say he "incited" and they explained what the rogue protesters did. But most of the protesters were peaceful, especially compared to Democrat protesters. Do you remember this conversation?

    Maybe the police in DC are racist & they didn't suspect a group of white Trump supporters at the Capitol, so they let their guard down? Shame on them if that' the case! Because any Democrat will tell you that "the police are racist."

    Law enforcement failed when they can't keep a group of protesters out. You
    were in the military - you must know how to secure a zone. That is a major HR issue! There is shame on at least 4 different levels of law enforcement in DC. Do you not see that picture?

    Congratulations Lee, these Articles of Impeachment say exactly the same
    thing as you - very vaguely describing Trump's involvement, but clearly indicating that Congress will do anything they can to keep their laundry from coming clean.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, January 13, 2021 22:10:32
    That means pregnant women should be allowed to vote by proxy.

    I'm fine with all the voting changes. Now we know that all Americans can and should expect to vote by mail. Next year we'll make a comeback.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gerhard Strangar on Wednesday, January 13, 2021 23:01:21
    Then stop writing here and build that system, because noone else knows
    how to do that.

    Thanks for the inspiration! But I don't feel driven to do something that I
    know other people can do better. I have a friend who specializes in computer security. If the government decides they want to do that, they will consult someone with a better portfolio than mine. But now I see how the Democrats
    like absentee ballots, so I'll make sure that absentee ballots are the key ingredient on getting some of my government back next year.

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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, January 13, 2021 12:03:23
    I do think that even in a pandemic, folks should have to
    raise their hand or otherwise request a mail-in ballot.

    That is what happened in my state. They mailed an application for a mail-in ballot to all registered voters. One then needed to fill that
    out and send it in to get the actual ballot delivered.

    I think that method gets to all registered voters and gives them a
    better opportunity to cast their vote.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net

    I agree with this. Maybe to clarify; I'm not against getting more LEGAL citizens to vote, closing the gap in voter suppression or allowing folks whom its too hard or costly to get to a voting place to doso.

    I just don't want 'live' ballots sent to EVERY [registered voting] American. I think that those 'live' ballots, without that registered voter on the other end
    requesting it... to THAT address, at THIS election, is smart. I think doing THAT allows for the BS to happen; and I think the BS *does* happen.

    However, even the small safegaurd that you described in your area is fine. I WANT more Americans to vote... problem is, theres so many counties and municipalities and DIFFERENCES, that some problem that happened in one county in some small area gets all the coverage and folks [like me] think in their heads that this is how it happened EVERYWHERE.

    I'm against 'live' ballots being blanket mailed. Regardless, I think THIS election was legal and valid. But I want to do better if we choose to continue using mail-in voting in a larger way in America. I'm not blanket against it, either.



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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, January 13, 2021 12:13:40
    There were well more than 100 who broke into the building. The figur of about 100 is just those who have been identified and arrested so f More to come.

    The impeachment seems pointless to me.

    In other words you are saying that Trump and all future Presidents
    should be given a free pass to incite insurrection without any penalty? IMO, impeachment of Trump serves to send notice that what he did is not acceptable. To be silent sends notice that what he did can be tolerated without consequences at any time in the future. In addition,
    impeachment would prevent him from seeking any federal office in the future.

    And furthermore, correct me if I'm wrong, if an impeachment is successful he can't serve in government again... I believe thats what needs to happen for Trump. I think we made a mistake voting in [lol] a non-politician extremist - and now that we got the result of that, we must follow thru.

    Doesn't it bother you that there are things we need from the federal govt more than impeachment of Trump, but all they wanna do is point fingers at Trump day after day?

    He deserves that by his actions.

    And, government should still handle the needs of the citizens beyond impeachment. One doesn't cancel out or stop the other.

    All the stuff that Trump did wrong in his "weak response" to covid - why don't we fix some of that stuff? All international travel should closed, but it's not. Why don't Congress close international travel t help fight covid? Because we're too busy with impeachment?

    Trump could close international travel (if it is not already closed).

    I think we still have a long way to go with covid. People don't understand that
    these vaccines.. are more like a flu vaccine in the fact that you'd need to get
    them once a year [or so] and they would have to be tweaked for future versions of Corona. This vaccination process isn't a one-and-done type of thing. Coronavirus is respiratory, more like the flu than polio.

    There have been complaints about the vaccine distribution - we don't need a president to dream that up on his own - why doesn't Congress write a bill? Impeachment?

    Actually, it would not be a normal function for Congress. It should
    fall under the Executive branch. But he has ignored that.

    We have a long way to go with vaccinations, too. Plenty of work for congress and the Biden team when they take office. Hurry up already....



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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, January 13, 2021 12:14:30
    I'd be more apt to be fine with it if we all voted online and used 2F with the individuals cell phones. IMO thats more safegaurded
    than PAPER ballots. Ick.

    What do you mean by 2FA? Is it something that is a smart phone ap? I don't have a smart phone.

    Yes, it is - you can also do it with other tech, but I know not all Americans have THAT, either. I just think in this time of technology... we could do better than using the USPS.



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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, January 13, 2021 12:15:41
    This is now, with many more options being available for voting.
    We should go further, and increase those options, as well as expand
    the voting rights to include ALL Americans, including those who are
    doing time in prison.

    --Lee

    Convicted criminals, now? Jesus help us...



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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, January 13, 2021 19:01:17
    Re: Re: My nation, America,
    By: Aaron Thomas to Lee Lofaso on Wed Jan 13 2021 08:37 pm

    Show me evidence of Trump having planned an attack on the Capitol - that's all I need to see.

    Everything Trump did, he did out in the open.

    Congratulations Lee, these Articles of Impeachment say exactly the same thing as you - very vaguely describing Trump's involvement, but clearly indicating that Congress will do anything they can to keep their laundry from coming clean.

    This article of impeachment says very simply and clearly what Trump did.

    What ever happened to "Law & Order"? You were telling me a short time ago that you wanted law and order. So what's the issue?

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Paul Lee on Thursday, January 14, 2021 01:16:02
    On 01-13-21 12:13, Paul Lee <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: My nation, America, <=-

    And furthermore, correct me if I'm wrong, if an impeachment
    is successful he can't serve in government again... I

    Not sure, but that may be a separate vote. But it does need to be done,
    IMO.

    I think we still have a long way to go with covid. People
    don't understand that these vaccines.. are more like a flu
    vaccine in the fact that you'd need to get them once a year
    [or so] and they would have to be tweaked for future
    versions of Corona. This vaccination process isn't a one-
    and-done type of thing. Coronavirus is respiratory, more
    like the flu than polio.

    What you say is almost true. The Coronavirus vacination is more like a
    two and done. There are reports of a member of Congress who was
    recently vacinated but then tested positive after being in close
    quarters with other members who refused to wear a mask.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Flavio Bessa@4:801/188 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, January 14, 2021 12:52:46
    On 13/01/21 22:16, Dale Shipp -> Paul Lee wrote:


    What you say is almost true.  The Coronavirus vacination is more like a two and done.  There are reports of a member of Congress who was
    recently vacinated but then tested positive after being in close
    quarters with other members who refused to wear a mask.

    There has been cases, especially between healthcare professionals that have been vaccinated and diagnosed positive a few days later.

    It takes up to 10 days for your system to build up immunity after the first dosage.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Thursday, January 14, 2021 15:10:23
    What ever happened to "Law & Order"? You were telling me a short time
    ago that you wanted law and order. So what's the issue?

    I don't believe Trump committed a crime. I am for law and order, but based on what I've seen there's no case against him - just more Trump Derrangement Syndrome. When's the last time you say Democrats do anything besides oppose
    the president? If now isn't the time to give it a rest, it never will be.

    10 years from now, 90 year old Nancy Pelosi will still be impeaching Trump - and Chis Cuomo will still be there backing her up.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, January 14, 2021 17:15:36
    Re: Re: My nation, America,
    By: Aaron Thomas to Alan Ianson on Thu Jan 14 2021 03:10 pm

    I don't believe Trump committed a crime. I am for law and order, but based on what I've seen there's no case against him - just more Trump Derrangement Syndrome. When's the last time you say Democrats do anything besides oppose the president? If now isn't the time to give it a rest, it never will be.

    I see, no crime. Nothing to see here folks. Move along, move along.

    Even before the insurrection at the capitol, I think Donald Trump is a clear and present danger and it doesn't surprise me that democrats are opposing him or that his supporters did what they did, and will continue to do what they are
    doing. There is a place for that in Donald Trumps America.

    10 years from now, 90 year old Nancy Pelosi will still be impeaching Trump - and Chis Cuomo will still be there backing her up.

    I suspect that in 10 years time Nancy Pelosi will be busy with other things but
    time will tell.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Friday, January 15, 2021 01:54:57
    opposing him or that his supporters did what they did, and will continue to do what they are doing. There is a place for that in Donald Trumps America.

    The American people don't care about Trump anymore. We want to move forward, but Nancy & Chuck want to stigmatize the Republican party for something that Trump did which is also something that Biden did. Biden doesn't care about impeaching Trump, because he's not a player hater.

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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, January 14, 2021 16:57:14
    I think we still have a long way to go with covid. People
    don't understand that these vaccines.. are more like a flu
    vaccine in the fact that you'd need to get them once a year
    [or so] and they would have to be tweaked for future
    versions of Corona. This vaccination process isn't a one-
    and-done type of thing. Coronavirus is respiratory, more
    like the flu than polio.

    What you say is almost true. The Coronavirus vacination is more like a two and done. There are reports of a member of Congress who was
    recently vacinated but then tested positive after being in close
    quarters with other members who refused to wear a mask.

    I think you're making reference to the 2-part vaccine by one of the companies, but thats not what I'm talking about... Yes, I understand your point - that the
    vaccine that requires 2 shots means you are still susceptible until you receive
    [And probably some amount of time after that 2nd dose.] both parts...

    But I'm speaking of the fact that a Covid vaccine doesn't last a lifetime, not even several years - no one KNOWS exactly, but its FAIRLY safe to say it will last somewhere around a year. That being said, once we vaccinate our entire country, it seems like Covid will be more like the influenza FLU and come back every year - Americans will need to be vaccinated against it [around] once a year.



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  • From Brian Klauss@1:104/116 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, January 14, 2021 20:10:13
    Re: Re: Mail In ballots
    By: Dale Shipp to Paul Lee on Wed Jan 13 2021 12:19 am

    That is what happened in my state. They mailed an application for a
    mail-in ballot to all registered voters. One then needed to fill that
    out and send it in to get the actual ballot delivered.

    I think that method gets to all registered voters and gives them a
    better opportunity to cast their vote.

    The argument against mail-in ballots is that more Republicans tend to vote at polling locations instead of mailing in their ballots. Democrats tends to prefer the opportunity to sit at home and review their ballots and submit them via the mail. This was proven in this election when traditional Republican states or those that carried Trump four years ago went Democratic (at least for
    the President).

    I like my mail-in ballot. I actually take it to one of my county's drop off boxes (we have like 20 of them).
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Paul Lee on Friday, January 15, 2021 01:14:04
    On 01-14-21 16:57, Paul Lee <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Vacinations <=-

    But I'm speaking of the fact that a Covid vaccine doesn't
    last a lifetime, not even several years - no one KNOWS
    exactly, but its FAIRLY safe to say it will last somewhere
    around a year. That being said, once we vaccinate our
    entire country, it seems like Covid will be more like the
    influenza FLU and come back every year - Americans will
    need to be vaccinated against it [around] once a year.

    You may or may not be correct. There is no data yet for that since no
    one has been vacinated more than a year ago. It may be a year, needing
    booster shots. It may be lifetime. We just do not know yet.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Brian Klauss on Friday, January 15, 2021 01:55:06
    On 01-14-21 20:10, Brian Klauss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Mail In ballots <=-

    The argument against mail-in ballots is that more Republicans tend to
    vote at polling locations instead of mailing in their ballots.

    That Republican preference for voting at polling locations was possibly
    because of the words of their supreme leader who kept claiming that mail
    in ballots were not safe.

    Democrats tends to prefer the opportunity to sit at home
    and review their ballots and submit them via the mail.

    Because it was easier, and because it was less risky with respect to
    Covid. Since I am in a high risk category, I would feel very hesitant
    to go to a walk up polling place, especially since there would be many
    people there who would not be observing safe ruls of mask and distance.

    This was proven in this election when traditional
    Republican states or those that carried Trump four years
    ago went Democratic (at least for the President).

    The real proof was that the early returns from polling stations seemed
    to be mostly Republican or split, but then the mail in ballots were
    giving results of 75% or more for Democratic candidates.

    I like my mail-in ballot. I actually take it to one of my
    county's drop off boxes (we have like 20 of them).

    That is what I did.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, January 15, 2021 01:27:10
    On 01-15-21 01:54, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: My nation, America, <=-


    The American people don't care about Trump anymore. We want to move forward, but Nancy & Chuck want to stigmatize the Republican party for something that Trump did which is also something that Biden did. Biden doesn't care about impeaching Trump, because he's not a player hater.

    Just when did Biden instigate an invasion of the national capitol
    building, or any other sort of violence for that matter?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Friday, January 15, 2021 09:52:21
    Just when did Biden instigate an invasion of the national capitol building, or any other sort of violence for that matter?

    When he bailed rioters out of jail that was an attack on the American people. The law didn't matter to Joe Biden's campaign, it only mattered that he pay the bail for the violent protesters who helped elect him.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, January 17, 2021 18:11:37
    The American people don't care about Trump anymore.

    That's a mistake, a big mistake.

    Who cares about Trump at this point besides the left? I wish him well - he did good stuff for me - but now he's about as useful as Ronald Regan.

    We want to move forward, but Nancy & Chuck want to stigmatize the Republican party for something that Trump did

    Yes, Trump did it with the support of a large part of the republican party. It is because of what Trump did that Nancy & Chuck *must* do what

    Nobody besides Trump (if even Trump) "fomented an insurection." They want to punish him for trying to expose voter fraud. That makes us no better than Russia when it comes to elections.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, January 17, 2021 18:20:58
    Show me evidence of Trump having planned an attack on the Capitol - that'
    all I need to see.

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi did it for you. All you have to do is read
    the articles of impeachment. All four pages. Should not take you
    long.

    I read the 4 pages and they say the same thing that you say. Did you help them write it? But there is no assortment of words on a piece of paper that equal proof. Let's see what they're able to produce during the "dwell on Trump for the rest of our lives" trial.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, January 17, 2021 18:47:30
    Next year we'll make a comeback.

    With no more Republican Party left to speak of, what "comeback"
    might that be?

    That sounds like a liberal fantasy! We're 10 short of a house majority, maybe
    9 after Claudia Tenney officially defeats Anthony Brindisi.

    What do you mean by "no more Republican party?" Democrats had a wider lead in the house before the 2020 election. What happened there?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, January 17, 2021 19:12:53
    Your statement is not completely accurate. I did a quick search and
    found it being said by a few right wing sites such as Fox News and Breitbart claimed that Biden did that -- but it was disputed by other sites. What I also found was that some campaign staffers and Kamala contributed to such a fund as a protest against the cash bail system.

    But look at the timing of your quick search! Fox News (not the most trustworthy) reported the bail-outs as they were happening during the George Floyd protests/riots.

    What you're saying about Kamala bailing them out "to protest against cash
    bail" is brand new to me, but it cements my statement about Democrats
    attacking the American people. People victimized by criminals during the
    George Floyd riots were (if you're correct) rewarded by the timing of Kamala's attack on cash bail.

    Protesting against cash bail is fine - but using Soros funds to spring a bunch of criminals free? That's not peaceful protesting!

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gnickel on Wednesday, January 20, 2021 01:54:29
    Hello Gnickel,

    The American people don't care about Trump anymore. We want to move >AT>forward, but Nancy & Chuck want to stigmatize the Republican party
    for
    something that Trump did which is also something that Biden did.
    Biden
    doesn't care about impeaching Trump, because he's not a player
    hater.

    Just when did Biden instigate an invasion of the national capitol >building, or any other sort of violence for that matter?
    Voting is a violent act. And he found 8 million more triggers
    than his opponent. And that is what caused such a bloody mess at
    the Capitol Building. So please do not make this all Trump's
    fault. We all know better than that.
    --Lee

    I've never seen a ballot kill 6 people

    Elections have consequences.

    We saw those consequences live on television on January 6.

    --Lee

    --
    Probably the best beer in the world

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to paul lee on Wednesday, January 20, 2021 01:54:40
    Hello Paul,

    And you know this how? Please tell, Mr Expert. Nobody else seems
    to know. Not even Dr Fauci or Dr Birx or any of those other medical >LL>professionals with multiple PhD's. After all, this is a novel >LL>coronavirus. Nobody in the entire world has any immunity. So how
    did you come to the conclusion that Mr Expert knows all?

    I'm confused.

    As are we all.

    As this is what me and my colleagues are talking about daily.

    With 400,000+ dead in this country alone due to the novel coronavirus,
    you bet it is. None of us has any idea as to how many more will die, or
    even if there will be an end to this. I do hope, and pray, this is not
    an ELE.

    While yer right that no one KNOWS how long a vaccine will last,

    All that is known are the results of clinical trials. And even that
    is very limited. A vaccine is not a cure, but a tool. One of the tools
    we need in order to protect ourselves and overcome this pandemic.

    it certainly.. almost laughably, if you're insinuating that its a polio-type
    lifetime lasting vaccine, isn't much longer than a year.

    We do not even know if immunity will last that long. And not everybody
    who has been vaccinated will become immune. The effectiveness rate is
    high, at 94%-95%. But that still leaves 5% or 6% who remain at risk.

    Sure we don't know -

    It does help your chances of survival to get yourself vaccinated.

    but we shouldn't be mental midgets and think that this round of vaccinations
    is the end all cure all.

    It takes a few weeks longer for the vaccine to take effect.
    But first you have to get the vaccine (both doses).

    Derpy derp. I figured L.L. could at least be that cynical.

    Re-arrange the letters of my name. What do you have?

    LOOSE FLEA

    If you do not like fleas in your soup, there is -

    FALSE OLEO

    There is also one more. But I'll let you figure that one out.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, January 20, 2021 18:23:24
    Am 10 Jan 21 21:26:02 schrob Lee Lofaso an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <My nation, America, took over Congress.>

    https://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/usa/456787
    Please keep us updated on this. What a great topic for debate.

    While the report isn't out yet, the head of operation said it's going to state that the election wasn't rigged in any way that had a noticable effect on the result.



    Tschoe mit Oe
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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, January 21, 2021 18:00:07
    it certainly.. almost laughably, if you're insinuating that its a polio-t
    lifetime lasting vaccine, isn't much longer than a year.

    We do not even know if immunity will last that long. And not everybody
    who has been vaccinated will become immune. The effectiveness rate is high, at 94%-95%. But that still leaves 5% or 6% who remain at risk.

    I agree with you, about the 5% - but the vaccine [as we've been told] is still like... the best that we could have ever hoped for. I mean other vaccines are much more closer to the 50% range than what we have with Covid...

    I think the vaccine is GREAT - I'm just saying that I think most of the people seem to think that they just have to hold on until they can get their magical vaccine doses and be DONE. And that isn't going to be the case, whatsoever.



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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Friday, January 22, 2021 18:53:00
    On 01-16-21, DALE SHIPP said to AARON THOMAS:

    On 01-15-21 09:52, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: My nation, America, <=-


    Just when did Biden instigate an invasion of the national capitol
    building, or any other sort of violence for that matter?


    When he bailed rioters out of jail that was an attack on the American people. The law didn't matter to Joe Biden's campaign, it only
    mattered that he pay the
    bail for the violent protesters who helped elect him.


    Your statement is not completely accurate. I did a quick search and DS>found it being said by a few right wing sites such as Fox News and DS>Breitbart claimed that Biden did that -- but it was disputed by other DS>sites. What I also found was that some campaign staffers and Kamala DS>contributed to such a fund as a protest against the cash bail system.


    Leftie democrats are quick to deny the truth of things that embarass them or their idiotic notions (like being against the cash bail system), but notice
    how they ignore the instances where a dangerous criminal is released (using their critera of `cashless' bail or `no' bail) and the one released goes on to commit murder or other mayhem?


    We now have the lunatics running the asylum!



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to TIM RICHARDSON on Saturday, January 23, 2021 04:53:17
    Leftie democrats are quick to deny the truth of things that embarass
    them or their idiotic notions (like being against the cash bail system), but notice how they ignore the instances where a dangerous criminal is released (using their critera of `cashless' bail or `no' bail) and the
    one released goes on to commit murder or other mayhem?

    There was a serial bank robber in NYC who robbed 4 banks, but then was
    released under the bail reform bill and he robbed a 5th bank the day after his release.

    The governor should man-up and apologize to the teller in that 5th robbery,
    but he's got no remorse and he's a hero to the criminal community.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Monday, February 08, 2021 20:28:32
    On 08 Jan 2021, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 01-07-21 17:29, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Paul Lee about Re: My nation, America, t <=-

    Democrats changed ballot procedures to enable themselves to guarantee a Biden win, and then the media twisted it into "Trump not accepting the votes of the American people."

    Just what are you talking about? When and how did Democrats change
    ballot procedures to guarantee a Biden win? Was it by making sure that people could vote?

    You might understand this when and if you pick up the last Time Magazine.
    It's all out and is available for all to read.

    The secret history of the Shadow Campaign that Saved the 2020 election.

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  • From Vague@1:3603/9999 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, February 08, 2021 23:15:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

    On 08 Jan 2021, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 01-07-21 17:29, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Paul Lee about Re: My nation, America, t <=-

    Democrats changed ballot procedures to enable themselves to guarantee a Biden win, and then the media twisted it into "Trump not accepting the votes of the American people."

    Just what are you talking about? When and how did Democrats change
    ballot procedures to guarantee a Biden win? Was it by making sure that people could vote?

    You might understand this when and if you pick up the last Time
    Magazine. It's all out and is available for all to read.

    The secret history of the Shadow Campaign that Saved the 2020 election.

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    Guys. Goodbrain told everyone who would listen to him NOT to vote by mail... so they didn't. What's the mystery here?


    ... That's just incredible! As in... it's just not credible.
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Vague on Tuesday, February 09, 2021 18:49:27
    Just what are you talking about? When and how did Democrats change ballot procedures to guarantee a Biden win? Was it by making sure th people could vote?

    Because Trump was leading in every battleground state that there was right
    up to midnight and then something happened in the early hours didn't it....

    Fox News came out of the gate in the early hours on election night as they
    told us all that were watching the election results would like different this time around. They made it sound like all the Democrats were voting by mail and voting early and then the Republicans would be voting later as they would
    be going to the polls.

    I still don't know what the problem was with voting at the polls because 30 million go to Wal*Mart every day of the week.

    You might to consider using your "REAL NAME" here in fidonet land.
    and clean up the message and learn not to capture every blessed line.

    It's messy as it is "vague" not tidy and unclean.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, February 09, 2021 19:25:21
    On 09 Feb 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Because Trump was leading in every battleground state that there was
    right up to midnight and then something happened in the early hours
    didn't it....

    Indeed it did. But what happened in the early hours is no mystery; it's been well-documented. Not everyone voted on Election Day; some voted early and
    some mailed in their voted. However, by law, those votes were to be stored uncounted until Election Day.

    A couple of factors influenced the respective makeups of the Election-Day and early/mail-in votes:
    1. One candidate made it abundantly clear to his supporters that mail-in
    voting was not to be trusted, and
    2. Early voting is more popular in places where there tend to be long lines
    at the polls; i.e., urban areas.

    So on Election Day, they start counting the votes, and they started with the Election-Day votes which, due to the factors mentioned above, were disproportionately urban/conservative/Republican. And then around 2am, as you have noted, they finished up the Election-Day votes and moved on to the early/mail-in votes, and due to the same factors these were
    disproportionately rural/liberal/Democrat.

    Rather than being some grand conspiracy, it boils down to behavioral differences between voters for the two candidates.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, February 09, 2021 19:37:46
    On 09 Feb 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    I still don't know what the problem was with voting at the polls because 30 million go to Wal*Mart every day of the week.

    This view was also a factor that led to a behavioral split between supporters of the two candidates.

    Jeff.

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  • From Vague@1:3603/9999 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, February 09, 2021 20:24:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Vague <=-

    Just what are you talking about? When and how did Democrats change ballot procedures to guarantee a Biden win? Was it by making sure th people could vote?

    Because Trump was leading in every battleground state that there was
    right up to midnight and then something happened in the early hours
    didn't it....

    Fox News came out of the gate in the early hours on election night as
    they told us all that were watching the election results would like different this time around. They made it sound like all the Democrats
    were voting by mail and voting early and then the Republicans would be voting later as they would be going to the polls.

    I still don't know what the problem was with voting at the polls
    because 30 million go to Wal*Mart every day of the week.

    You might to consider using your "REAL NAME" here in fidonet land.
    and clean up the message and learn not to capture every blessed line.

    It's messy as it is "vague" not tidy and unclean.

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    What happened is that they starteded counting the mail-in ballots that were arriving. The mail-in ballots that Goodbrain told his supporters NOT to use. So, you know... they didn't, and Biden supporters did. I'm almost sure you can see how, since his supporters didn't vote by mail-in ballot because he said not to, that there wern't that many mail-in ballots in there for our last president.... and the majority of ones that were in there were for Biden.

    It's not a mystery.

    Oh... and Trump actually got 594,117 mail-in votes.


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, February 10, 2021 01:26:02
    On 02-08-21 20:28, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: My nation, America, <=-

    Democrats changed ballot procedures to enable
    themselves to guarantee
    a Biden win, and then the media twisted it into "Trump not accepting
    the votes of the American people."

    Just what are you talking about? When and how did Democrats change
    ballot procedures to guarantee a Biden win? Was it by making sure that people could vote?

    You might understand this when and if you pick up the last Time
    Magazine. It's all out and is available for all to read.

    The secret history of the Shadow Campaign that Saved the 2020
    election.

    You made it sound as if it was some nefarious hidden agenda. The
    article you reference was very clear that it was a legitimate set of initiatives to allow and encourage more people to register and vote.
    That is a good thing, not a bad thing -- no matter where you stand on
    the political spectrum.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, February 10, 2021 00:45:04
    On 02-09-21 18:49, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Vague about Re: My nation, America, <=-


    Just what are you talking about? When and how did Democrats change
    ballot procedures to guarantee a Biden win? Was
    it by making sure th
    people could vote?

    Because Trump was leading in every battleground state that there was
    right up to midnight and then something happened in the early hours
    didn't it....

    There is a very logical reason for that happening. Trump denigrated
    mail in voting (even though he used it himself) and his Republican
    followers believed him and thus voted in person (risking exposure to
    Covid-19). Many Democrats and Independents did not believe a word that
    Trump uttered, and so took the safe route of voting by mail or by drop
    box. Since those votes were counted last, it was no surprise to anyone
    with any sense that the early votes leaned towards Trump and that the
    later votes were at least 75% for Biden. Trump uses that fact to claim
    voter fraud, even though it is clear that it was a direct result of his retoric.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)



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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:18:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

    You might understand this when and if you pick up the last Time
    Magazine. It's all out and is available for all to read.

    The secret history of the Shadow Campaign that Saved the 2020 election.

    I love the word "Saved". It sounds like it was a good thing to subvert
    the will of the American people to put a bunch of ignorante Elites in
    power.


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  • From William Williams@1:106/633 to Ron Lauzon on Wednesday, February 10, 2021 18:45:44
    Re: Re: My nation, America,
    By: Ron Lauzon to Gregory Deyss on Wed Feb 10 2021 10:18 am

    I love the word "Saved". It sounds like it was a good thing to subvert
    the will of the American people to put a bunch of ignorante Elites in power.
    I also love how the article says the election was not rigged then tells us how it was rigged.
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  • From Vague@1:3603/9999 to Ron Lauzon on Wednesday, February 10, 2021 18:42:00
    Ron Lauzon wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

    Gregory Deyss wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

    You might understand this when and if you pick up the last Time
    Magazine. It's all out and is available for all to read.

    The secret history of the Shadow Campaign that Saved the 2020 election.

    I love the word "Saved". It sounds like it was a good thing to subvert the will of the American people to put a bunch of ignorante Elites in power.

    Are we talking about Pennsylvania changing their mail-in voting rules? Cool:

    In October 2019, the Republican-led Pennsylvania General Assembly passed an election law, Act 77, that added no-excuse voting by mail, a provision pushed by Democrats. The act says that any qualified elector who is not eligible to be an absentee elector can get a mail-in ballot. Republicans got one of their priorities included too: elimination of straight-ticket voting. The bill drew supporters from both parties, but it had more support from Republicans.

    “It was always touted as a bipartisan effort to get ready for 2020, pre-pandemic, bring Pennsylvania in line with Florida and Ohio and a bunch of states that had the no excuse system,” said Edward B. Foley, an Ohio State University constitutional law professor who specializes in elections.

    Act 77 required constitutional challenges be brought within 180 days, but that didn’t happen. After Trump lost the Nov. 3 election, U.S. Rep. Mike Kelly, R-Pa., and co-plaintiffs filed a case against state officials arguing that the mail-in ballot provisions in Act 77 were a violation. Kelly asked the court to prohibit the certification of results that included mail-in ballots or direct the Pennsylvania General Assembly to choose electors.

    One week later, the state Supreme Court dismissed the petition as untimely, writing that the plaintiffs filed their case more than a year after Act 77 was enacted and after millions of residents had already voted in the primary and general elections. The case was filed as the final ballots “were being tallied, with the results becoming seemingly apparent,” the court wrote. The court’s three-page order did not address whether Act 77 and the state constitution were in conflict.

    “It is not our role to lend legitimacy to such transparent and untimely efforts to subvert the will of Pennsylvania voters,” Justice David Wecht, a Democrat, wrote.

    Chief Justice Thomas Saylor, a Republican, wrote that throwing out votes at this point was extreme and untenable: “There has been too much good-faith reliance, by the electorate, on the no-excuse mail-in voting regime created by Act 77.”

    After losing, Kelly took the case to the U.S. Supreme Court, where an emergency application for injunctive relief was denied by Justice Samuel Alito Dec. 8. Kelly is still seeking review by the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Pat Toomey, Pennsylvania’s Republican senator, said many Pennsylvania lawmakers believe the law is constitutional.

    “Clearly the state legislature and governor believe it is consistent with the state constitution,” Toomey said. “This law wasn’t challenged when it was passed, it wasn’t challenged when it was applied during the June primary election. It was only challenged after President Trump lost the general election.”


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Ron Lauzon on Wednesday, February 10, 2021 19:44:33
    On 10 Feb 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...
    The secret history of the Shadow Campaign that Saved the 2020 electio

    I love the word "Saved". It sounds like it was a good thing to subvert the will of the American people to put a bunch of ignorante Elites in power.

    Yeah I know right, some said that I made it sound nefarious and or sinister, because it was.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to William Williams on Wednesday, February 10, 2021 20:28:24
    I love the word "Saved". It sounds like it was a good thing to subver the will of the American people to put a bunch of ignorante Elites in power.

    I also love how the article says the election was not rigged then tells
    us how it was rigged.

    Yes, I see your point, but others proclaim as they suggest.
    I do not have any clue what your talking about as they *still* don't get it. Maybe they do indeed get it, and it is all an act? That would suggest these folks are playing the part of trying to pull the wool over my eyes.
    or
    It's actually a lot worse & it could be just the tip of the iceberg that would seem to demonstrate a much larger problem. There are actually people out there who believe that Biden is better then Trump for America.
    Trump had a America First Agenda, Biden has no such policy.

    Can you imagine if Trump was the one who said You Ain't Black?

    Biden also spent the majority of his time in the basement along with these other keyboard warriors who are also on the liberal side of the spectrum.
    It would come of no surprise to learn that these cellar-dwellers are still within the basement to this day.

    What do you think of this Malarkey?

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Vague on Wednesday, February 10, 2021 19:48:14
    On 10 Feb 2021, Vague said the following...
    Are we talking about Pennsylvania changing their mail-in voting rules?

    Bah, such historical details are irrelevant. The title of the Time article contains the words "Secret" and "Shadow," which is all that's needed to generate Karenoia.

    Jeff.

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  • From William Williams@1:106/633 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, February 11, 2021 02:44:09
    Re: Re: My nation, America,
    By: Gregory Deyss to William Williams on Wed Feb 10 2021 08:28 pm

    What do you think of this Malarkey?
    Oh I agree.. Also if you confront any of the people that proclaim "Trump is a racist" with evidence to the contrary then its just because he had pictures with some famous black people doesnt mean he is not racist and you tell them multiple racist things Biden has done its that was in the past people can change. I have yet to have any of them tell me a single thing Trump has said or
    done that shows he is racist. I also understand that in person attendance at the Super Bowl was limited but how is it then when Biden gave his speech everyone booed. Out of 80 million people that allegedly voted for him not 1 was
    at the superbowl?
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to William Williams on Wednesday, February 10, 2021 19:14:01
    Re: Re: My nation, America,
    By: William Williams to Gregory Deyss on Thu Feb 11 2021 02:44 am

    Oh I agree.. Also if you confront any of the people that proclaim "Trump is a racist" with evidence to the contrary

    There is no evidence to the contrary.. ;)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, February 11, 2021 07:58:02
    Am 20 Jan 21 18:23:24 schrob Gerhard Strangar an Lee Lofaso zum Thema
    <My nation, America, took over Congress.>

    https://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/usa/456787

    The final report is available for download: https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/7/7/477823_0.pdf



    Tschoe mit Oe
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Thursday, February 11, 2021 13:35:27
    Oh I agree.. Also if you confront any of the people that proclaim "Tr is a racist" with evidence to the contrary

    There is no evidence to the contrary.. ;)

    Let us know when you'd like to see evidence of Biden being racist. That's something I've linked to in here about a dozen times already.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, February 11, 2021 17:40:34
    Re: Re: My nation, America,
    By: Aaron Thomas to Alan Ianson on Thu Feb 11 2021 01:35 pm

    Let us know when you'd like to see evidence of Biden being racist. That's something I've linked to in here about a dozen times already.

    Yes, I've seen your links but I don't see Biden as a racist.

    Donald Trump is a racist, clearly, and more.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Thursday, February 11, 2021 22:24:14
    Let us know when you'd like to see evidence of Biden being racist. Th something I've linked to in here about a dozen times already.

    Yes, I've seen your links but I don't see Biden as a racist.

    Donald Trump is a racist, clearly, and more.

    Everyone is a racist of some sort, but not everyone leaves so much evidence of it that you can see it from space. Joe Biden voted for segregation when he was senator. Is that racist?

    Then he said "I don't want my kids going to school in a racial jungle." There are a lot of kids in the USA with parents from "the jungles" of the world. Cost Rica is mostly jungle. Should Costa Rican immigrants feel good about sending their kids to school with Biden's kids?

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  • From Vague@1:3603/9999 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, February 12, 2021 03:22:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    @MSGID: <6026123C.35.fidonet_allpolit@VAGUEBBS>
    @REPLY: <6025DD1B.34.fidonet_allpolit@VAGUEBBS>
    Let us know when you'd like to see evidence of Biden being racist. Th something I've linked to in here about a dozen times already.

    Yes, I've seen your links but I don't see Biden as a racist.

    Donald Trump is a racist, clearly, and more.

    Everyone is a racist of some sort, but not everyone leaves so much evidence of it that you can see it from space. Joe Biden voted for segregation when he was senator. Is that racist?

    Biden became a Senator in 1972. The Civil Rights act was 1964. Biden was only 22 and just out of law schol at the time. So, this is false.

    Then he said "I don't want my kids going to school in a racial jungle." There are a lot of kids in the USA with parents from "the jungles" of
    the world. Cost Rica is mostly jungle. Should Costa Rican immigrants
    feel good about sending their kids to school with Biden's kids?

    In 1977 he did not hold any office, but he did make the "Racial jungle" statement. It does not, however, refer to actual jungles. He thought that manditory busing would be chaotic. He said without orderly integration, his children would "grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle".


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to William Williams on Friday, February 12, 2021 09:12:00
    William Williams wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    I love the word "Saved". It sounds like it was a good thing to subvert
    the will of the American people to put a bunch of ignorante Elites in power.

    I also love how the article says the election was not rigged then tells
    us how it was rigged.

    That's the standard Leftie tactic of redefining words so they win the argument.

    In this case, they redefined the word "saved" to mean "rigged".


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, February 12, 2021 09:21:57
    Re: Re: My nation, America,
    By: Aaron Thomas to Alan Ianson on Thu Feb 11 2021 10:24 pm

    Everyone is a racist of some sort,

    Yes.

    but not everyone leaves so much evidence of it that you can see it from space.

    You are describing someone, but it isn't Joe Biden.

    Joe Biden voted for segregation when he was senator. Is that racist?

    No, that was something else all together.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Vague on Friday, February 12, 2021 12:42:49
    Biden became a Senator in 1972. The Civil Rights act was 1964. Biden was only 22 and just out of law schol at the time. So, this is false.

    Joe Biden sided with segregationists who wanted to keep black students out of white classrooms. He supported bussing. He even put Kamala on a bus to some black school several miles away from her home because he "didn't want his kids going to school in a racial jungle." But Kamala is more into money and power than she is into holding a grudge.

    his children would "grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle".

    That's not even how he said it. Did you see the video?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Friday, February 12, 2021 13:23:05
    Joe Biden voted for segregation when he was senator. Is that racist?

    No, that was something else all together.

    Not racist, but simply just a way to keep blacks out of white classrooms.

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  • From Vague@1:3603/9999 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, February 12, 2021 21:20:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Vague <=-

    @MSGID: <6026CD82.39.fidonet_allpolit@VAGUEBBS>
    @REPLY: <60263D86.36.fidonet_allpolit@VAGUEBBS>
    Biden became a Senator in 1972. The Civil Rights act was 1964. Biden was only 22 and just out of law schol at the time. So, this is false.

    Joe Biden sided with segregationists who wanted to keep black students
    out of white classrooms. He supported bussing. He even put Kamala on a
    bus to some black school several miles away from her home because he "didn't want his kids going to school in a racial jungle." But Kamala
    is more into money and power than she is into holding a grudge.

    his children would "grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle".

    That's not even how he said it. Did you see the video?

    Yes. And I provided a direct quote that you selectively edited. You seem to do that a lot. You cherry-pick of a conversation and try to use it to bolster your flaccid argument. That is unethical and intellectually dishonest. I don't debate intellectually dishoest or unethical people. I mock them.


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  • From Vague@1:3603/9999 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, February 12, 2021 22:03:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    @MSGID: <6026DF7B.40.fidonet_allpolit@VAGUEBBS>
    @REPLY: <6026B981.38.fidonet_allpolit@VAGUEBBS>
    Joe Biden voted for segregation when he was senator. Is that racist?

    No, that was something else all together.

    Not racist, but simply just a way to keep blacks out of white
    classrooms.

    Once again, because you seem to not get this part:

    In 1977 Biden thought that manditory busing would be chaotic. He said without orderly integration, his children would "grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle".

    You keep editing that part by mistake, I assume. Hope this helps.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, February 13, 2021 13:23:16
    Hello Greg,

    Just what are you talking about? When and how did Democrats
    change
    ballot procedures to guarantee a Biden win? Was it by making
    sure th Va> DS> people could vote?

    Because Trump was leading in every battleground state that there was right
    up to midnight and then something happened in the early hours didn't it....

    And to think it was all your fault.
    Shame on you.
    Celebrating too early can do that to a guy.
    Gives them a false sense of security.
    They go to bed, and sleep tight.
    Then wake up in the morning to a nightmare come true.

    Yes, my friend. It really was your fault.
    Your own fault, and nobody else's.
    Remember that.
    Donald J. Trump lost all because of you.
    NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo thanks you.

    Fox News came out of the gate in the early hours on election night as they >told us all that were watching the election results would like different
    this
    time around. They made it sound like all the Democrats were voting by mail
    and voting early and then the Republicans would be voting later as they
    would
    be going to the polls.

    The more options the better. That is what I call pro-democracy.
    Limiting options is anti-democratic, and only enjoyed by autocrats.

    I still don't know what the problem was with voting at the polls because 30
    million go to Wal*Mart every day of the week.

    Building more Wal*Marts could ease the problem. I mean, look at
    what Wal*Mart is doing with the coronavirus vaccine. I think it would
    be a really good service for Wal*Mart to have an option to allow
    early voting. And drop boxes in their parking lots.

    You might to consider using your "REAL NAME" here in fidonet land. and clean
    up the message and learn not to capture every blessed line.

    Why should folks be required to use their "REAL NAME" in fidonet land?
    Folks should be free to express themselves any way they want, even if
    their way is not the same as whatever happens to be your way.

    It's messy as it is "vague" not tidy and unclean.

    His/her/its choice.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, February 13, 2021 13:23:35
    Hello Alan,

    Oh I agree.. Also if you confront any of the people that proclaim "Trump >WW>is a racist" with evidence to the contrary

    There is no evidence to the contrary.. ;)

    Evidence? What evidence? Certainly there must be evidence.
    If not, then at least alternative evidence ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerhard Strangar on Saturday, February 13, 2021 13:23:41
    Hello Gerhard,

    <My nation, America, took over Congress.>

    https://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/usa/456787

    The final report is available for download: https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/7/7/477823_0.pdf


    Many thanks. I will be enjoying a good read this weekend.
    Will comment afterwards.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, February 13, 2021 13:23:46
    Hello Alan,

    Let us know when you'd like to see evidence of Biden being racist.
    That's something I've linked to in here about a dozen times already.

    Yes, I've seen your links but I don't see Biden as a racist.

    I do not believe Joe Biden has a racist bone in his body.
    However, I will say that every person on this planet is a
    racist and a bigot. In a manner of speaking. What we do
    to overcome our own racism and bigotry is up to us, both
    as individuals and as a society.

    Donald Trump is a racist, clearly, and more.

    He did appeal to the darker nature of our souls.
    Hopefully only to some of us.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, February 13, 2021 13:23:52
    Hello Aaron,

    Let us know when you'd like to see evidence of Biden being
    racist. Th AI> AT> something I've linked to in here about a dozen times already.
    Yes, I've seen your links but I don't see Biden as a racist.
    Donald Trump is a racist, clearly, and more.

    Everyone is a racist of some sort, but not everyone leaves so much evidence
    of it that you can see it from space. Joe Biden voted for segregation when
    he was senator. Is that racist?

    Joe Biden was elected to the US Senate when he was 29 years old.
    Still too young to hold office. Please explain how he managed to
    vote for segregation before even graduating from college or law
    school.

    Then he said "I don't want my kids going to school in a racial jungle."
    There are a lot of kids in the USA with parents from "the jungles" of the world. Cost Rica is mostly jungle. Should Costa Rican immigrants feel good about sending their kids to school with Biden's kids?

    Governor Mike Foster of Louisiana made a remark to his black opponent
    in the election that black folks live in what he called a "jungle" by
    their own choice. Well, over a third of the voters in the state are
    black. And they did not take too kindly by the governor's choice of
    words. However, Joe Biden has never made that claim about anybody
    in Louisiana. That is the difference between a white guy who owned
    a plantation home (Mike Foster) whose grandfather had slaves as his
    loyal subjects (Foster's grandfather owned a plantation and was also
    a governor of Louisiana), with another white guy (Joe Biden) who never
    owned a plantation or anybody of any color in his entire life.

    --Lee

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Lee Lofaso on Saturday, February 13, 2021 04:10:59
    Re: My nation, America,
    By: Lee Lofaso to Alan Ianson on Sat Feb 13 2021 01:23 pm

    There is no evidence to the contrary.. ;)

    Evidence? What evidence? Certainly there must be evidence.

    Not in this case.

    If not, then at least alternative evidence ...

    Yes, there is a lot of this.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Vague on Saturday, February 13, 2021 11:54:41
    In 1977 Biden thought that manditory busing would be chaotic. He said without orderly integration, his children would "grow up in a jungle,
    the jungle being a racial jungle".

    That's not how he said it - you're editing Biden's quote. Calling a diverse classroom a "racial jungle" is "racist."

    There's no taking back Joe's racist comment. Only a highly skilled
    word-twister like Brooke Baldwin could pull that off, but she's not touching that subject because it's time for Trump-talk.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, February 17, 2021 19:08:59
    NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo thanks you.

    I do not think that Cuomo should thank me just yet.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, February 19, 2021 03:24:15
    Hello Greg,

    NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo thanks you.

    I do not think that Cuomo should thank me just yet.

    He thanks the people of NY after every election.
    However, some of his colleagues in the state legislature
    want to remove his emergency powers. Even though they
    are set to expire on April 30.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Saturday, February 20, 2021 10:30:29
    CNN has even gotten into the act, banning Chris from having his
    brother Andrew on the show. What a bummer.

    CNN is hilarious. They don't say anything about the FBI investigation or the
    NY assembly impeachment probe, but instead they write about "Cuomo signs a new bill to protect nursing home residents."

    They refuse to reflect shame on the King of NY, and that's a shame.

    One day, all the liberals are gonna crap themselves when they read "Cuomo impeached!" in the headlines. They never saw it coming because their handlers at CNN trained them into thinking that "Cuomo helped nursing home residents."

    Meanwhile, the evil Fox news has kept conservatives up to date since day 1.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, February 25, 2021 16:32:38
    Re: Re: My nation, America,
    By: Aaron Thomas to Lee Lofaso on Sat Feb 20 2021 10:30 am

    One day, all the liberals are gonna crap themselves when they read "Cuomo impeached!" in the headlines. They never saw it coming because their handlers at CNN trained them into thinking that "Cuomo helped nursing home residents."

    No, liberals are aware of Cuomo.

    Meanwhile, the evil Fox news has kept conservatives up to date since day 1.

    Fox is not news, it's uninformative. It's entertainment.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, February 28, 2021 16:09:52
    Why should folks be required to use their "REAL NAME" in fidonet land? Folks should be free to express themselves any way they want, even if their way is not the same as whatever happens to be your way.
    This would be up to the Moderator.

    It's messy as it is "vague" not tidy and unclean.

    His/her/its choice.
    There is no longer a need for speculation, he's not so vauge any longer.
    His name is David Duff according to the lastest Nodelist.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, March 29, 2021 03:56:19
    Hello Greg,

    Why should folks be required to use their "REAL NAME" in fidonet land? >LL>Folks should be free to express themselves any way they want, even if >LL>their way is not the same as whatever happens to be your way.

    This would be up to the Moderator.

    There are no moderators in Fidonet. But that is beside the point.
    Whether an individual uses his/her real name is irrelevant when
    reading and writing messages in any echo in Fidonet.

    So that begs the question -

    Why should folks be required to use their "REAL NAME" in fidonet land?

    It's messy as it is "vague" not tidy and unclean.
    His/her/its choice.

    There is no longer a need for speculation, he's not so vauge any longer. His
    name is David Duff according to the lastest Nodelist.

    That still does not answer the question. Which tells me you have
    no answer.

    --Lee

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