• Counting votes

    From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to All on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 19:01:33
    High,

    I just read that Georgia needs to recount all votes manually and I wonder what manually is supposed to mean. Do they otherwise use machines? If so, why does it take so long?
    In Germany, the polling stations close at 18:00 and we usually get the manually
    counted preliminary results between 22:00 and 23:00 on that same day. And I cannot remember any election where the final results changed noteworthy.

    What happens if multiple recounting two parties/candidates have exactly the same number of votes? Do you hold a second election or flip a coin?



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  • From Charles Pierson@1:154/10 to Gerhard Strangar on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 14:33:32
    Hello, Gerhard Strangar -> All.
    On 11/11/20 7:01 PM you wrote:

    High, I just read that Georgia needs to recount all votes manually
    and I wonder what manually is supposed to mean. Do they otherwise
    use machines? If so, why does it take so long? In Germany, the
    polling stations close at 18:00 and we usually get the manually
    counted preliminary results between 22:00 and 23:00 on that same
    day. And I cannot remember any election where the final results
    changed noteworthy.

    There are multiple ways voting is done, and multiple ways they get
    counted. It depends on the state.

    This year, it was more complicated because of a larger number of mail in ballots than normal.

    But many states I believe, if the first count is extremely close like
    1-2% I think requires an automatic recount.

    What happens if multiple recounting two parties/candidates have
    exactly the same number of votes? Do you hold a second election or
    flip a coin?

    It depends on each states election laws and which office it is for.

    Regardless of what you might see, there often are more people on the
    Ballot than the Democrat and Republican candidates. They generally
    don't get much exposure, nor have the huge budgets, but they are there.

    Leaving the Presidential election aside, because it's its own
    monstrosity.
    A Senate race, for example, might require a majority of votes to be
    declared winner. A simple majority is 51%. If you have other
    candidates, smaller party or independent, in the race it is possible for
    no one to get 51% of the vote. In that case, there is going to be a run
    off election at a later date between the top vote getters.

    With the President, again depending on the state, the popular vote is
    supposed to indicate which candidate gets the Electoral College votes
    for that state. Most states, I believe are winner take all, meaning
    whoever gets the most popular votes get all of the Electoral votes for
    that state. Some states might, or at least did, could split the
    Electoral votes.





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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Charles Pierson on Thursday, November 12, 2020 06:58:03
    Am 11 Nov 20 14:33:32 schrob Charles Pierson an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema <Counting votes>

    This year, it was more complicated because of a larger number of mail in ballots than normal.

    What's complicated about those? We use two envelopes, the outer one contains the name of the person who voted and needs to be on the list and not have voted
    yet. Then the outer envelope gets opened and the inner one goes into the mail-in box. After that, the inner ones get opened and the ballots are put onto
    different stacks than the in-person votes (to verify if the results differ are lot, which might be due to attempted fraud). But neither opening envelopes nor counting ballots is complicated.



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  • From Charles Pierson@1:154/10 to Gerhard Strangar on Thursday, November 12, 2020 07:00:30
    Hello, Gerhard Strangar -> Charles Pierson.
    On 11/12/20 6:58 AM you wrote:

    Am 11 Nov 20 14:33:32 schrob Charles Pierson an Gerhard Strangar
    zum Thema <Counting votes> CP> This year, it was more complicated
    because of a larger number of mail in CP> ballots than normal.
    What's complicated about those? We use two envelopes, the outer one
    contains the name of the person who voted and needs to be on the
    list and not have voted yet. Then the outer envelope gets opened and
    the inner one goes into the mail-in box. After that, the inner ones
    get opened and the ballots are put onto different stacks than the
    in-person votes (to verify if the results differ are lot, which
    might be due to attempted fraud). But neither opening envelopes nor
    counting ballots is complicated.

    Not necessarily the mail in ballots themselves, but the volume of them.
    The sheer number of mail in ballots surprised me.

    I mean, I can understand not wanting to go be in a large crowd on
    election day to vote. However, with the early voting option, I had many
    family members all over the country go vote in person without crowds.

    I simply don't trust the mail enough to be 100% confident my ballot
    wouldn't get lost accidentally, let alone any potential fraud. I've had
    too many instances of mail not mine being delivered to my address to
    feel otherwise, and not just my neighbors, but mail for addresses not in
    my neighborhood.

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Charles Pierson on Thursday, November 12, 2020 18:24:01
    Am 12 Nov 20 07:00:30 schrob Charles Pierson an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema <Counting votes>

    I mean, I can understand not wanting to go be in a large crowd on
    election day to vote. However, with the early voting option, I had many family members all over the country go vote in person without crowds.

    I've heard of people waiting in line for over an hour. But what's going on there? Our polling stations are open on Sundays from 8:00 to 18:00 hours with 500-1000 voters per station and I'd say they're pretty much equipartitioned over time. Only when church is out there might be up to 20 people at once, but I don't think it takes more than five minutes for all of them to vote.



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Charles Pierson on Friday, November 13, 2020 01:34:10
    On 11-12-20 07:00, Charles Pierson <=-
    spoke to Gerhard Strangar about Counting votes <=-

    I mean, I can understand not wanting to go be in a large crowd on
    election day to vote. However, with the early voting option, I had
    many family members all over the country go vote in person without
    crowds.

    There were crowds at many of the early voting places also. I saw
    reports of six hour waits at some. That was in larger towns, e.g.
    Houston.

    I simply don't trust the mail enough to be 100% confident my ballot wouldn't get lost accidentally, let alone any potential fraud. I've
    had too many instances of mail not mine being delivered to my address
    to feel otherwise, and not just my neighbors, but mail for addresses
    not in my neighborhood.

    I did not trust the mail either, especially after seeing all that Trump
    and his appointees were doing to muck up the post office. There was a
    third option, which I used. Drop boxes where you could place your mail
    in ballot.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Charles Pierson@1:154/10 to Gerhard Strangar on Friday, November 13, 2020 07:15:08
    Hello, Gerhard Strangar -> Charles Pierson.
    On 11/12/20 6:24 PM you wrote:

    Am 12 Nov 20 07:00:30 schrob Charles Pierson an Gerhard Strangar
    zum Thema <Counting votes> CP> I mean, I can understand not wanting
    to go be in a large crowd on CP> election day to vote. However, with
    the early voting option, I had many CP> family members all over the
    country go vote in person without crowds. I've heard of people
    waiting in line for over an hour. But what's going on there? Our
    polling stations are open on Sundays from 8:00 to 18:00 hours with
    500-1000 voters per station and I'd say they're pretty much
    equipartitioned over time. Only when church is out there might be up
    to 20 people at once, but I don't think it takes more than five
    minutes for all of them to vote.

    You've got many different methods for how people vote, based on how each
    state does it. Depending on where they live, they might have several
    offices up for election.

    There isn't one national method for voting, so there isn't an easy
    answer.

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  • From Charles Pierson@1:154/10 to Dale Shipp on Friday, November 13, 2020 07:15:08
    Hello, Dale Shipp -> Charles Pierson.
    On 11/13/20 1:34 AM you wrote:

    On 11-12-20 07:00, Charles Pierson <=- -=> spoke to Gerhard
    Strangar about Counting votes <=- CP> I mean, I can understand not
    wanting to go be in a large crowd on CP> election day to vote.
    However, with the early voting option, I had CP> many family members
    all over the country go vote in person without CP> crowds. There
    were crowds at many of the early voting places also. I saw reports
    of six hour waits at some. That was in larger towns, e.g. Houston.

    That's completely possible, even probable of course. It's just not
    something anyone that I know experienced, even here in Houston.

    I simply don't trust the mail enough to be 100% confident my
    ballot CP> wouldn't get lost accidentally, let alone any potential
    fraud. I've CP> had too many instances of mail not mine being
    delivered to my address CP> to feel otherwise, and not just my
    neighbors, but mail for addresses CP> not in my neighborhood. I did
    not trust the mail either, especially after seeing all that Trump
    and his appointees were doing to muck up the post office. There was
    a third option, which I used. Drop boxes where you could place your
    mail in ballot.

    I've had issues with the post office going back nearly a decade now.
    They moved our delivery from the local branch to a different office back
    around 2010. The service hasn't nearly been as good since.

    As a personal choice, I don't trust drop boxes either. But then I might
    just have trust issues.



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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gerhard Strangar on Saturday, November 14, 2020 09:34:41
    On 12 Nov 2020 at 06:24p, Gerhard Strangar pondered and said...

    I've heard of people waiting in line for over an hour. But what's going
    on there? Our polling stations are open on Sundays from 8:00 to 18:00 hours with 500-1000 voters per station and I'd say they're pretty much equipartitioned over time. Only when church is out there might be up to
    20 people at once, but I don't think it takes more than five minutes for all of them to vote.

    What's going on is that the American right has realized that it
    is a dying minority, and the only way it can hang onto power is
    via nefarious means. Thus, they will try and disenfranchise
    voters or otherwise use authoritarian tactics in desperate (and,
    frankly, pathetic) bids to stay relevant. Reducing the number
    of polling stations, making it harder for people (particularly
    Black and Brown people), gerrymandering congressional districts
    to give them an edge in the legislature even though they're strictly
    a minority most places.... That's what leads to these absurdly
    long lines etc.

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to CHARLES PIERSON on Saturday, November 14, 2020 18:15:00
    On 11-13-20, DALE SHIPP said to CHARLES PIERSON:

    On 11-12-20 07:00, Charles Pierson <=-
    spoke to Gerhard Strangar about Counting votes <=-


    I simply don't trust the mail enough to be 100% confident my ballot wouldn't get lost accidentally, let alone any potential fraud. I've
    had too many instances of mail not mine being delivered to my address
    to feel otherwise, and not just my neighbors, but mail for addresses
    not in my neighborhood.


    I did not trust the mail either, especially after seeing all that Trump DS>and his appointees were doing to muck up the post office.


    The only `muck up the post office' that took place was leftie mail carriers throwing away mail-in ballots....and postal supervisors ordering employees to mark mail-in ballots recieved late, as having been recieved on time.


    Tagline;



    "The party that;


    Continually attacked Trump for four years;

    Smeared his family no end;

    Ran with the Russian hoax and false impeachment;

    Called Trump supporters vile names;

    Wished death on him when he had Covid;

    Dragged his Supreme Court nominees through the mud;

    Now want us all to `unite'!

    Good luck with that one!



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