• Re: Protected aginst protection

    From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Thursday, October 22, 2020 11:49:37
    This is not a murder story.

    It's not 1st degree murder, but it's more like negligent homicide.

    If I empowered women and doctors to terminate babies that survived abortions, I'd consider myself a murderer.

    If I signed an executive order mandating that nursing homes control a new airborne virus as swiftly as hospitals do, then I'd call myself a murderer.

    If I vowed to withhold a vaccine for a virus that's killing people at an unprecedented rate, because I have an election to win 3 years from now, I'd call myself a sleazeball career politician murderer.

    There is no vaccine currently. Your current president has politicized the vaccine so now States want to approve it also, for safety and effectiveness

    But that's a new thing; states with governors with a chip on their shoulders are taking their disdain for the president out on their residents.

    If the FDA tells me next month that they have a vaccine, I want it. My governor can suck it, I'll travel to Pennsylvania to get it. I won't let Cuomo's TDS get in the way of me protecting myself and my family.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, October 22, 2020 17:41:56
    If I empowered women and doctors to terminate babies that survived abortions, I'd consider myself a murderer.

    Women do have the power to do what they think is right for them.

    They do today anyway, I'm not so sure about tomorrow.

    If I vowed to withhold a vaccine for a virus that's killing people at an unprecedented rate, because I have an election to win 3 years from now, I'd call myself a sleazeball career politician murderer.

    A safe and effective vaccine will be available. Even in New York!

    There is no vaccine currently. Your current president has politicized the
    vaccine so now States want to approve it also, for safety and effectiveness

    But that's a new thing; states with governors with a chip on their shoulders are taking their disdain for the president out on their residents.

    Trump was trying to speed up a vaccine for political reasons, now states (and people generally) are afraid of a bad vaccine and have to take steps to avoid that. When a vaccine has be proven safe and effective the FDA and CDC will get behind it and you (and everyone) will get it.

    If the FDA tells me next month that they have a vaccine, I want it. My governor can suck it, I'll travel to Pennsylvania to get it. I won't let Cuomo's TDS get in the way of me protecting myself and my family.

    Cuomo is on the side of a safe and effective vaccine.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Friday, October 23, 2020 01:20:50
    Trump was trying to speed up a vaccine for political reasons, now states (a people generally) are afraid of a bad vaccine and have to take steps to avo that. When a vaccine has be proven safe and effective the FDA and CDC will behind it and you (and everyone) will get it.

    You're close, but you're off. Andrew Cuomo and Gavin Newsom said they will not accept "the federal government's opinion" about the safety of a vaccine. That means that the FDA & CDC can promote a vaccine all they want, but NY & Cali will wait 2x as long as people in other states, because their governers are sending political signals to voters that the federal government can't be trusted. The FDA & the CDC are both parts of the Federal government.

    Cuomo is on the side of a safe and effective vaccine.

    No political figure in New York State has ever been as hated as Andrew Cuomo. Not even Elliot Spitzer. Spitzer was the kind of Democrat governor I could deal with; not a far-left nutjob like Cuomo.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, October 23, 2020 00:35:40
    You're close, but you're off. Andrew Cuomo and Gavin Newsom said they will not
    accept "the federal government's opinion" about the safety of a vaccine. That means that the FDA & CDC can promote a vaccine all they want, but NY & Cali will wait 2x as long as people in other states, because their governers are sending political signals to voters that the federal government can't be trusted. The FDA & the CDC are both parts of the Federal government.

    I don't know about the FDA but the CDC does seem to be compromised under the trump administration so I understand Cuomo's concern. Trump was politicizing the vaccine at the debate again a few hours ago.

    Cuomo is on the side of a safe and effective vaccine.

    No political figure in New York State has ever been as hated as Andrew Cuomo. Not even Elliot Spitzer. Spitzer was the kind of Democrat governor I could deal with; not a far-left nutjob like Cuomo.

    Looking from the outside his approval looks around 50/50. Pretty good for a politician.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Friday, October 23, 2020 12:11:22
    I don't know about the FDA but the CDC does seem to be compromised under th trump administration so I understand Cuomo's concern. Trump was politicizin the vaccine at the debate again a few hours ago.

    The CDC isn't Trump's CDC. That's a joke. Also, the CDC will never play a role in the vaccine. It's just the FDA - no president, no congress, just that department.

    When I hear Andrew Cuomo saying "I won't let NYers have the vaccine until our state verifies the safety," I consider that politicizing the vaccine, and I also consider that to be a sleazy way for Democrat Andrew Cuomo to weaken us more and to cause more deaths. He doesn't want a vaccine to sound good until it's time for his re-election (2023.) Watch the little guy act like he engineered it himself.

    When I hear Trump saying "A vaccine is coming soon," I consider those to be words of comfort for the American citizens. It's optimism. I would hate to have Obama right now, saying stuff like "More people will die, we don't expect a vaccine soon, everything is NOT gonna be ok." We are very fortunate to have a president with such optimism. Positive thinking is a valuable tool.

    Looking from the outside his approval looks around 50/50. Pretty good for a politician.

    The people with the "F*** Cuomo" bumper stickers are obviously not participating in those polls. The nursing home victims neither.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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