• Dems in NH

    From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to All on Saturday, February 08, 2020 09:31:26
    I watched the Democrats debate in NH. In case one of these people were to
    beat Trump, I'd want to know what I'm in for. Here's what's to be vigilant about:

    Pete Buttigieg - He's exploiting illicit drug users, trying to make them feel comfortable about him as their president. Great exploitation skills at work.

    Joe Biden - Brags about all his "achievements," but what's he going to achieve now with a Republican controlled Senate & SC?

    Bernie Sanders - Wants to eliminate cash-bail nationwide. No thanks! NYers
    are sickened by the practice and there's no way the whole country will accept.

    Elizabeth Warren - Too bitchy - who wants to listen to that? Crying about
    Mike Bloomberg being rich, crying about those exploitable blacks, but not one word about exploiting native americans, which she should - it's her niche.

    Tom Steyer - At first he said "None of us are talking about blacks or any
    other group." And then 5 minutes later, the whole gang was exploiting black people - they want their votes and idiot Tom Steyer says he wants reparations for blacks. Can the white cracker fool black voters into thinking the senate
    or Supreme Court wants to play race politics with this dope?

    I guess Lee has been right all along about Amy Klobuchar - she's the best of the worst. She mostly stayed quiet, and when she spoke, she didn't say
    anything stupid. I guess she is my best bet for the DNC pick.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to aaron thomas on Sunday, February 09, 2020 08:09:57
    On 08 Feb 2020, aaron thomas said the following...

    I watched the Democrats debate in NH. In case one of these people were to beat Trump, I'd want to know what I'm in for. Here's what's to be
    vigilant about:

    Bless you for doing that, that is 2 hours you will never get back.
    I haven't one of these, because I know in advance that they do not represent the America that I believe in or want to live in.

    Pete Buttigieg - He's exploiting illicit drug users, trying to make them feel comfortable about him as their president. Great exploitation skills at work.

    Illicit drug users belong in Jail - on a drug program while being locked up. excluding those who smoke pot, because that should passed nationally.
    Through out American history there has always been a First Lady, what will we have no the First Man, because Pete is gay?

    Joe Biden - Brags about all his "achievements," but what's he going to achieve now with a Republican controlled Senate & SC?

    Had this man for 8 years as VP for 8 years, what did he accomplish, more to a point what has he accomplished with his time in government?


    Bernie Sanders - Wants to eliminate cash-bail nationwide. No thanks!
    NYers are sickened by the practice and there's no way the whole country will accept.

    No words really NO socialist should ever be allowed to be the President.
    How can he promise to defend and follow constitution if he is a socialist.

    Elizabeth Warren - Too bitchy - who wants to listen to that?

    Right.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Sunday, February 09, 2020 17:49:10
    Hello Aaron,

    I watched the Democrats debate in NH. In case one of these people were to
    beat Trump, I'd want to know what I'm in for.

    Good point. Tom Steyer got it right, saying Democrats have
    to make their own case, otherwise it will be a lost cause.

    Here's what's to be vigilant about:

    Pete Buttigieg - He's exploiting illicit drug users, trying to make them
    feel comfortable about him as their president. Great exploitation skills at work.

    George Soros is his biggest supporter. Bernie Sanders called him
    out yesterday, for accepting donations from billionaires. And Biden
    called him out on stage at the NH debate, saying Mayor Pete is no
    Obama. Will it matter to voters in NH? According to the lastest
    poll, Sanders has 28% to Buttigieg 21%. Biden is now in 5th place,
    at 11%, and continuing to drop.

    Joe Biden - Brags about all his "achievements," but what's he going to
    achieve now with a Republican controlled Senate & SC?

    What the makeup will be in the Senate has not yet been determined.
    Dems could be riding a signinificant blue wave. Or none at all.
    However, with Biden having had a poor showing in Iowa, and likely
    another poor showing in NH, he may not even make it to Nevada or
    South Carolina. Could be lights out, go home baby.

    Bernie Sanders - Wants to eliminate cash-bail nationwide. No thanks! NYers
    are sickened by the practice and there's no way the whole country will accept.

    The country gladly accepted FDR. And voted him in office four
    times. Would have kept voting for him forever but nobody lives
    forever ...

    Elizabeth Warren - Too bitchy - who wants to listen to that? Crying about
    Mike Bloomberg being rich, crying about those exploitable blacks,
    but not one word about exploiting native americans, which she should - it's
    her niche.

    Klobuchar has passed her in the NH polls. James Carville ranted
    on MSNBC what Warren is doing to turn people off. She needs to go
    back to reminding folks who she is, the working class mom who went
    back to school, etc. rather than the techie person who has a plan
    for everything.

    Tom Steyer - At first he said "None of us are talking about blacks or any
    other group." And then 5 minutes later, the whole gang was exploiting black people - they want their votes and idiot Tom Steyer says he wants
    reparations for blacks. Can the white cracker fool black voters into
    thinking the senate or Supreme Court wants to play race politics with this dope?

    He is running a decent race, but folks are just now getting to know
    him. And he does not have any political experience, never having been
    elected to public office. He does claim to be a diehard progressive,
    and is saying the right words to those in that crowd. How many will
    believe him remains to be seen.

    I guess Lee has been right all along about Amy Klobuchar - she's the best of
    the worst. She mostly stayed quiet, and when she spoke, she didn't say anything stupid. I guess she is my best bet for the DNC pick.

    More right than you and others might think -

    https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/


    Klobuchar now ahead of Warren, taking straight aim
    at Sanders and Buttigieg. Notice Biden is dropping
    like a rock. Now in 5th place in New Hampshire, and
    still crashing. The rest are in single digits and
    don't really matter.

    All that talk about finding dirt on Joe Biden?
    The president really has been barking up the wrong tree.

    This is Trump's worst nightmare.
    Hillary Clinton without the emails.

    Let the games begin.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, February 09, 2020 20:32:07
    Hello Greg,

    at> I watched the Democrats debate in NH. In case one of these people
    were to
    at> beat Trump, I'd want to know what I'm in for. Here's what's to be
    at> vigilant about:

    Bless you for doing that, that is 2 hours you will never get back.
    I haven't one of these, because I know in advance that they do not represent >the America that I believe in or want to live in.

    Most voters rejected Trump in favor of Clinton in the 2016 election.
    Almost 3 million more voters. And yet, 100 million voters never
    bothered showing up at the polls. Mayor Pete is getting lots of those
    voters to turn out for him, as shown in the Iowa caucus. And Bernie
    Sanders is getting even more of those voters than Mayor Pete.

    at> Pete Buttigieg - He's exploiting illicit drug users, trying to make them
    at> feel comfortable about him as their president. Great exploitation skills
    at> at work.

    Illicit drug users belong in Jail - on a drug program while being locked up. >excluding those who smoke pot, because that should passed nationally.
    Through out American history there has always been a First Lady, what will
    we
    have no the First Man, because Pete is gay?

    First Gentleman. Mayor Pete said it himself.

    Joe Biden - Brags about all his "achievements," but what's he going to >at>achieve now with a Republican controlled Senate & SC?

    Had this man for 8 years as VP for 8 years, what did he accomplish, more to
    a
    point what has he accomplished with his time in government?

    Quite a lot. But his time has passed. Seems voters are more
    interested in candidates who bring something new, or different,
    to the table. Bernie Sanders is a self-described socialist,
    and Mayor Pete is openly gay. So, there you go. Both of them
    are bringing something new and different for all.

    Bernie Sanders - Wants to eliminate cash-bail nationwide. No thanks! >at>NYers are sickened by the practice and there's no way the whole country >at>will accept.

    No words really NO socialist should ever be allowed to be the President.
    How can he promise to defend and follow constitution if he is a socialist.

    We have a president who believes in "socialism for the wealthy" -
    and has shown it by showering his friends with huge tax breaks to
    prove it. Bernie wants to expand this program so that everybody
    can share the wealth. That is why it is medicare for all, not
    just for some or just the wealthy. And college tuition should
    also be free. And everything else that comes to mind.

    Elizabeth Warren - Too bitchy - who wants to listen to that?

    Right.

    Oh, she has a plan for everything ...

    --Lee

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, February 10, 2020 10:23:40
    This is Trump's worst nightmare.
    Hillary Clinton without the emails.

    Trump would destroy any of these candidates in debates. Stuttering Joe will
    try to brag about his experience, nobody will know what Yang is even talking about, Pokey Pete will sound sleazy, Awful Amy will be too generic and unspecific, and the Orange One will prevail, and we'll continue to reap the profits.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Monday, February 10, 2020 23:58:30
    Hello Aaron,

    This is Trump's worst nightmare.
    Hillary Clinton without the emails.

    Trump would destroy any of these candidates in debates.

    I doubt Trump will agree to debate any candidate who wins the
    Democratic nomination. Or any other candidate who wins the
    nomination of any other party. He is a poor debater, as shown
    in his debates with Hillary Clinton. Why would he want to make
    himself look bad against an even better debater?

    Stuttering Joe will try to brag about his experience,

    I doubt Biden will make it past Nevada and South Carolina.

    nobody will know what Yang is even talking about,

    New Hampshire is likely Yang's last hurrah.

    Pokey Pete will sound sleazy,

    Mayor Pete is sounding absolutely delightful to George Soros.

    Awful Amy will be too generic and unspecific,

    "Hi, Bernie people" is how she greeted Sanders supporters
    who tried to disrupt her at an event in New Hampshire. The
    crowd roared its approval. Tracking polls in New Hampshire
    have her at 14 percent, and climbing, trailing only Mayor
    Pete and Bernie Sanders. Can she win? You betcha!

    and the Orange One will prevail,

    Joe Walsh dropped out after the Iowa caucus, leaving only
    Bill Weld to contest the Republican nomination against Trump.

    and we'll continue to reap the profits.

    The USA is going bankrupt due to Trump's policies.

    --Lee

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, February 10, 2020 20:48:36
    I doubt Trump will agree to debate any candidate who wins the
    Democratic nomination. Or any other candidate who wins the
    nomination of any other party. He is a poor debater, as shown
    in his debates with Hillary Clinton. Why would he want to make

    I don't see it that way at all. I saw Trump crushing Hillary in the debates, with Trump being specific about what he was going to work on, and Hillary
    being vague like she'd already been hired for the job, but was already
    planning her vacation. I'm confident that Trump will be willing to debate, and will prove his case better than any of these Dems, including the barely impressive Amy.

    "Hi, Bernie people" is how she greeted Sanders supporters
    who tried to disrupt her at an event in New Hampshire. The

    It's a good sign that she's got Bernie's people's attention, but she hasn't offered anything to us that we need yet. She's been pretty vague, which is a fatal mistake when/if she debates with Trump. "We need to unite this divided country! We need to provide equal opportunities for African Americans!" <- That's a bunch of junk.

    Divided how? Who's divided? Conservatives vs liberals? What else is new?
    Black people need more help than anyone else? How is that? That makes no
    sense. "The black community" is another ridiculous statement that she makes. Last I heard, we're not segregated anymore, so what's the black community?

    I'll be back later - I'm gonna go visit the black community, and I'm gonna
    help them because I feel so sorry for them. LOL

    The USA is going bankrupt due to Trump's policies.

    How? Is this a MSNBC breaking story? I don't get that channel.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Thursday, February 13, 2020 01:58:38
    Hello Aaron,

    I doubt Trump will agree to debate any candidate who wins the >LL>Democratic nomination. Or any other candidate who wins the
    nomination of any other party. He is a poor debater, as shown
    in his debates with Hillary Clinton. Why would he want to make

    I don't see it that way at all. I saw Trump crushing Hillary in the debates, >with Trump being specific about what he was going to work on, and Hillary >being vague like she'd already been hired for the job, but was already >planning her vacation. I'm confident that Trump will be willing to debate,
    and will prove his case better than any of these Dems, including the barely
    impressive Amy.

    A candidate cannot "win" a debate. But he/she can lose a debate.
    The idea is not to make a mistake so bad as to doom a campaign.
    Walter Mondale's quip about raising taxes made his campaign the
    shortest in US history. George HW Bush looking at his watch made
    himself look bad, and doomed his chances against Slick Willie.
    Al Gore sighing on stage next to GWB made himself look bad, and
    would have been worse had GWB not made mistakes of his own.

    Hillary Clinton had a better resume than Donald Trump. But
    she was not Bill Clinton. And not really a good debater. Had
    it not been for her debates with Bernie Sanders during the
    Democratic primaries, her debating skills would have been
    virtually non-existent.

    Trump did not make any glaring mistakes against Clinton.
    But that does not mean he is a good debater. Bill Clinton
    would have torn him up. But he was facing Hillary, who did
    not have the same skill set.

    Bill Clinton could made his harshest critic believe he was right.
    The best Hillary Clinton could do was say she was not wrong.

    Donald Trump just makes stuff up on the fly and pretends it is
    right. And then repeats the lie over and over again until everybody
    believes the lie as gospel truth, his two most famous words being
    "Believe me!"

    "Hi, Bernie people" is how she greeted Sanders supporters
    who tried to disrupt her at an event in New Hampshire. The

    It's a good sign that she's got Bernie's people's attention, but she hasn't >offered anything to us that we need yet. She's been pretty vague, which is a >fatal mistake when/if she debates with Trump. "We need to unite this divided >country! We need to provide equal opportunities for African Americans!" <- >That's a bunch of junk.

    She has class. And is quick-witted. Uses humor with great effect.
    If Biden fades, as expected, voters will flock to her camp.

    Sanders needs a crowded field in order to win the nomination.
    Bloomberg needs an exit by Biden to make that happen. That is
    why Bloomberg decided to wait until Super Tuesday in order to
    compete.

    However, if Klobuhar replaces Biden, that screws the pooch for
    Bloomberg. And also Buttigieg, who is only a novelty candidate
    rather than someone with real experience.

    Tom Steyer is interesting, as he is gaining support among
    African Americans, as noted in South Carolina polls. It is
    possible he could even win the state.

    Divided how? Who's divided? Conservatives vs liberals? What else is new? >Black people need more help than anyone else? How is that? That makes no >sense. "The black community" is another ridiculous statement that she makes. >Last I heard, we're not segregated anymore, so what's the black community?

    A large segment of the population in South Carolina is African
    American. Without strong support from African Americans, a candidate
    has no realistic chance of winning.

    I'll be back later - I'm gonna go visit the black community, and I'm gonna
    help them because I feel so sorry for them. LOL

    Larry Bird used to be a waiter at restaurants in Indiana.
    This was when he was going to school, long before he became
    famous playing the game he loved. In order to get better,
    he would go out of his way to find the best players to play
    against. That meant hitting the streets, finding a court
    to play on, where players you never find in school can
    be found. And they taught him how to really play the game.

    So, who was helping who? The white guy who needed help
    in order to get better? Or the black guys who gave him all
    the help he could ever want or need?

    Years later, after his playing days were over, Larry Bird
    told the press - "White men can't jump."

    He also said most players in the NBA were black. That comment
    drew a lot of criticism from sportscasters and the like.
    But the statistics are there for all to see. He was right.

    The point I am getting at is this. In order to become
    good at whatever you do, you have to work at it. And those
    who become professional basketball players worked very hard
    to get where they are. Whether black, white, brown, yellow,
    or whatever race they may be.

    There is only one other white player who was able to play
    basketball as good as black players. Actually two players.
    And both of them played basketball at LSU.

    "Pistol" Pete Maravich was one.
    He never played in the NCAA tournament,
    but did play in the NIT tournament.
    I forget the other player's name,
    but did play in the NCAA tournament.
    "Magic" Johnson said he was the best white
    player who he ever played against.

    The USA is going bankrupt due to Trump's policies.

    How? Is this a MSNBC breaking story? I don't get that channel.

    Trump is so abysmal he has cut the pay for federal employees.
    Rather than get a 2.5% increase in pay, he cut it to 1%.
    Why? Because his great economony of his is having a crisis.

    --Lee

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 23:56:37
    Donald Trump just makes stuff up on the fly and pretends it is
    right. And then repeats the lie over and over again until everybody

    Not once have I ever felt cheated by a Republican in office; but I have been betrayed by Obama(D), lied to by my state assemblywoman(D), punished by my governor(D), tortured by a family court judge(D), and threatened by all these democratic presidential candidates(Ds) who are taunting me with their support for open borders, medicare for the entire world, and bail reform.

    I'm afraid you've got a bad case of TDS. Trump has a horrible downstate
    accent, orange skin, and he grabs women by the vagina - all that stuff is incredibly annoying to many Americans. However, you have to eat some garbage for lunch, sometimes, in order to have steak and lobster for dinner.

    Tom Steyer is interesting, as he is gaining support among
    African Americans, as noted in South Carolina polls. It is

    Hmm, could that have anything to do with his offer of "Reparations for the black community?" How could they not vote for that? And doesn't that interesting genius think before he speaks? He's on a path towards racial warfare. Anyone tasked with having to argue the reparations for blacks is
    going to sound racist, and it's not just something that politicians will be talking about; everybody and their mother will be "debating" it as well,
    thanks to "White Uncle Tom." It's not going to be pretty!!

    A large segment of the population in South Carolina is African
    American. Without strong support from African Americans, a candidate
    has no realistic chance of winning.

    So then candidates need to manipulate aka exploit them then? Make them feel like they're entitled to stuff that people of other races are not entitled to? Have you ever noticed that Republicans don't do that? Republicans want to appeal to ALL americans - not just the ones they need votes from! And many of them, Trump included, don't just want to appeal to niche races of people, they actually want to help people.

    You're trying to have a pleasant dip in the pool, but you're swimming with alligators, mosquitoes, and other harmful creatures! Help us out Lee - vote Republican. That way you share in the joy of helping others, and yourself.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Friday, February 14, 2020 02:58:39
    Hello Aaron,

    Donald Trump just makes stuff up on the fly and pretends it is
    right. And then repeats the lie over and over again until everybody

    Not once have I ever felt cheated by a Republican in office;

    We had Piyush "Bobby" Jindal as governor, who gave away free money
    to a private group of individuals to put on a country music festival
    at LSU football stadium. That was a cheat. This private group of
    individuals walked away with $1 million of state funds to put on
    a show in which they made a *profit* of over $50 million. That was
    after costs and expenses. They came back to Jindal, year after
    year, always asking for more state funds to put on their show -
    their "threat" being to take their show elsewhere. You know what
    I call that? Extortion. Government should not be in the business
    of funding private business.

    but I have been betrayed by Obama(D),

    GWB lied us into a war with Iraq. An unnecessary war. How many
    American lives were lost in that endeavor? And to think we are still
    there, stuck in Iraq, to this very day.

    lied to by my state assemblywoman(D),

    It could be all your fault. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
    And if you did what she thought you did, you are toast. Believe me,
    you are toast.

    punished by my governor(D),

    You are lucky not to have been on the other end of his twin brother.

    tortured by a family court judge(D),

    All your fault. Shoulda declared bankruptcy long before going there.
    That way, plenty of nothin' still amounts to nothin' at all. But no.
    You got greedy. And got left with nothin' ...

    Billy Preston had it right long ago. Nothin' from
    nothin' is nothin'. You gotta have somethin' ...

    and threatened by all these democratic presidential candidates(Ds) who are
    taunting me with their support for open borders, medicare for the entire world, and bail reform.

    Mike Bloomberg is a Republican turned Independent turned Democrat
    turned whatever he becomes next. No telling what his position might
    be from one day to the next. Joe Biden is for Obamacare with an
    upgrade, namely Obamacare plus a public option. Amy Klobuchar has
    basically the same position. Pete Buttigieg is trying to have it
    both ways, saying he is both for and against Obamacare, while also
    being both for and against Medicare for All. Elizabeth Warren used
    to be for Medicare for All, but has changed her position to Medicare
    not yet for All. Bernie Sanders has always been Medicare for All
    in the Whole Wide World.

    Bill Gates is for open borders, but I have no idea what his party
    affiliation is or might be. He says those who are able to find
    jobs will stay, and those who are unable to find jobs will return
    to wherever they came from. And all will be fine.

    Of course, it is only natural that every criminal in the world
    should be released, thus saving the state the cost of housing and
    feeding them and providing health care for them, etc. This would
    also be a boon for gun manufacturers, who are running out of folks
    to sell guns to.

    I'm afraid you've got a bad case of TDS. Trump has a horrible downstate
    accent, orange skin, and he grabs women by the vagina - all that stuff is incredibly annoying to many Americans. However, you have to eat some
    garbage for lunch, sometimes, in order to have steak and lobster for
    dinner.

    Cajuns eat crawfish, especially during Mardi Gras. Kind of
    like tiny lobsters, only better. Anyway, an easy way to solve
    the problem of a president who is a self-admitted sexual
    predator is to elect an openly gay man as president. That
    would definitely solve the problem of having a president who
    likes to grab women where the sun don't shine.

    OTOH, I am not sure I would want to be standing next to him
    at a public urinal during a football game ...

    Tom Steyer is interesting, as he is gaining support among
    African Americans, as noted in South Carolina polls. It is

    Hmm, could that have anything to do with his offer of "Reparations for the >black community?" How could they not vote for that? And doesn't that >interesting genius think before he speaks? He's on a path towards racial >warfare. Anyone tasked with having to argue the reparations for blacks is >going to sound racist, and it's not just something that politicians will be >talking about; everybody and their mother will be "debating" it as well, >thanks to "White Uncle Tom." It's not going to be pretty!!

    Donald Trump is not going to receive many black votes this November.
    Even though he has the money, their votes cannot be bought. In order
    to win their vote, a candidate has to kneel. And trust me, he will
    never take a knee when the national anthem is being played.

    A large segment of the population in South Carolina is African >LL>American. Without strong support from African Americans, a candidate >LL>has no realistic chance of winning.

    So then candidates need to manipulate aka exploit them then? Make them feel
    like they're entitled to stuff that people of other races are not entitled to?

    Obama understood black folks better than they understood themselves.
    He knew what they wanted because he was one of them. Everything ought
    to be free. Not just some things. And not just for white people. It
    had to be everything. Especially for blacks. After all, it is blacks
    who built this country. The very buildings the Congress meets in.
    Black folks should be rewarded for everything they have done for this
    country. From the moment they arrived on our shores.

    Have you ever noticed that Republicans don't do that? Republicans want to
    appeal to ALL americans - not just the ones they need votes from!

    How can Republicans expect blacks to vote for them if they continue
    to vote against their interests? If Republicans want black support,
    they will have to earn it.

    And many of them, Trump included, don't just want to appeal to niche races
    of people, they actually want to help people.

    That may be true of Republicans (in general). But today, there
    are no more Republicans (with the possible exception of Mitt Romney).
    What we have today is a group of former Republicans who are now part
    of a cult. A cult of personality. That personality being Donald
    J. Trump. They will do whatever monkey says.

    You're trying to have a pleasant dip in the pool, but you're swimming with
    alligators, mosquitoes, and other harmful creatures!

    Donald J. Trump made a campaign promise to "drain the swamp".
    Today he is up to his elbows with alligators. Absolutely refuses
    to get rid of those with special interests. Big Business can do
    whatever it wants, with no oversight. The environment doesn't
    matter, as regulations have been overturned. It is business as
    usual, just like old times, for this president.

    Help us out Lee - vote Republican.

    I had a choice, years ago, in an election for governor of Louisiana.

    The Republican candidate, David Duke, was a racist.
    The Democratic candidate, Edwin Edwards, was a crook.
    The incumbent Republican candidate, Buddy Roemer, had
    lost in the first primary, so was not in the runoff.

    I voted for the crook.

    Even had a bumper sticker on my car -

    Vote for the crook - it's important.

    Not that it mattered.

    Both candidates wound up going to jail.

    But at least Edwards won his fourth (and last) term in office
    as governor, rather than the other crook, who had served one term
    as state representative.

    That way you share in the joy of helping others, and yourself.

    Unfortunately, it does not look likely that Bill Weld will
    win the Republican nomination for president.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Friday, February 14, 2020 23:24:41
    Hello Aaron,

    Obama was raised white.

    Not really. His biological father was black, but split with his
    mother when he was barely two. His step-father was Asian, and raised
    him in Indonesia, but split with his mother when he was eleven. Then
    he was raised in Hawaii by his grandparents, both of whom were white
    beinf from his mother's side. Then his mother died, he finished
    high school, and moved to California to begin his studies in higher
    education.

    When asked about his race, Barack described himself as a black man.
    Not a white man or a yellow man or a brown man or anything but a black
    man. Nothing mixed about it. He also proved he was definitely born
    in Hawaii, not Kenya.

    Being half and half was an exploitation device for him.

    We are all mutts, in a manner of speaking. But we look at ourselves
    as being members of a particular community, usually categorized by
    race. Every ten years, US citizens are asked to describe themselves
    by checking off a box as to what race they are. Please check off one
    box, not all that may apply. See how that works?

    Funny thing about the census. It is not very accurate. Hispanics
    have to choose between two boxes. Hispanics that are white, and
    Hispanics that are non-white. This is insane, as Hispanics do not
    identify themselves by race, but by language. The same can be said
    about Cajuns. But Cajuns do not have to make that choice.

    The only races that matter in the US are white, black, and other.
    By other means Native American, which do not really count at all.

    There's no such thing as "understanding black people." Thanks for
    reminding us how racist he is.

    We are all racists and bigots. Each and every one of us.
    What we do to overcome our own racism and bigotry is up to us.
    Both as individuals and a society.

    George Wallace never considered himself as being a racist. He claimed
    he never said the "N" word in public. What he said in private may be
    something entirely different, but he knew what he was saying - both
    in public and in private.

    Black folks should be rewarded for everything they have done for LL>this
    country. From the moment they arrived on our shores.

    It's too late to reward slaves for their hard work.

    Most of our early presidents owned slaves. Abraham Lincoln was an
    abolitionist twenty years before he became president, but even as
    president he never got rid of slavery. Even today slavery remains
    legal in the US in the form of prison labor. Truly sick.

    I've got bad news for you, and I hope you're sitting down for this. These
    hard workers have passed. Many of them due to old age. I also regret to inform you that you've missed their funerals.

    All the more reason to build a memorial for slaves. With so many
    different memorials in Washington, DC a memorial for slaves would be
    most appropriate.

    If you want to honor them now, and I'm totally with you on this, we could
    restore their grave sites with some updated tombstones & high-quality landscaping.

    Everybody deserves a marker. But do you realize what is being
    done for the homeless who die in America? Their bodies are cremated,
    and then their ashes scattered to the wind. And then a bill to their
    next of kin, if any kin can be found.

    What do you think a slave's master gave him/her once that slave
    was dead? Remember, slaves were property, not even considered as
    being human. Do you think they got a marker? Maybe their owner
    just fed them to the dogs, not even bothering with a burial at all.

    We kidnapped humans, against their will, and kept them in bondage,
    without any rights. We bought and sold them, like merchandise.
    And then discarded them, like batteries that had no more juice.

    The so-called "underground railroad" was a joke. Slaves would
    flee to the north, and then would be re-captured to be resold to
    others in the south. Talk about a scam.

    Or, if you want to hand out free money to everyone with black skin, then I
    can foresee the good in that too;

    Everything ought to be free. And not just for black folks.
    Do you feel the Bern? Medicare for All, not just for some.
    Gotta Bern a hole in everybody's pocket in order to be free.

    the USA will overcrowd with black people seeking money-for-nuthin.

    A free lunch is all black people ask.
    Watermelon and chitlins, anyone?

    Africa will probably lose 90% of its inhabitants,

    Due to ebola or some other disease being a very real possibility.

    but I bet I'll sell my house for about 4x the price I paid for it.

    Oh, we will have another financial crash long before that happens.
    In which case your house will sell for far less than whatever you
    paid for it.

    Then I can move to Sudan, or the Congo, where the government is less
    oppressive towards ethnic groups.

    A white guy in Sudan?
    Or the Congo?
    A white Christian guy?
    Must be suicidal ...

    --Lee

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  • From aaron thomas@1:3634/24 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, February 16, 2020 20:18:41
    Not really. His biological father was black, but split with his

    Let me correct myself: It appears that Obama was not raised black or white,
    but it also appears that he was able to score some votes for having dark skin and a shoddy sales pitch.

    What we do to overcome our own racism and bigotry is up to us.
    Both as individuals and a society.

    That's a good point- the "as a society" part. In my experiences, colors
    prefer to stay somewhat segregated. I like to see that change, but not until it's safe to do so. And I'm not sure how to make it happen either; there's
    not going to be many people agreeing with this.

    Everybody deserves a marker. But do you realize what is being
    done for the homeless who die in America? Their bodies are cremated,

    That's another good point. What's happened to the slaves is already buried in the past, where it belongs. We didn't do it them. Those who enslaved them,
    did it legally. Let's do something for the homeless instead.

    Everything ought to be free. And not just for black folks.

    We should be able to pick fruit from trees and hunt for meat, but if you're talking about getting a free meal from the grocery store, then that's a lot different.

    A free lunch is all black people ask.

    Who? I haven't heard any black people asking for free lunch. If I did hear someone ask for that, I'd buy them one if I had enough money to do so. But I definitely wouldn't go around saying "black people want free lunch" just because one person asked for it.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, February 17, 2020 02:10:00
    On 02-16-20 20:18, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Dems in NH <=-


    Not really. His biological father was black, but split with his

    Let me correct myself: It appears that Obama was not raised black or white, but it also appears that he was able to score some votes for
    having dark skin and a shoddy sales pitch.

    In many/most parts of the USA all that matters to some folks is that he
    has a black ancestor. In fact, until recently someone with as little as
    1/8 black blood would not be allowed to marry a white person in at least several states (e.g. Virginia, Louisiana). And someone who looks black
    has to be extra careful when pulled over for a simple traffic violation.
    So don't talk about how he was or was not raised -- that matters little
    in the minds of many residents of the USA.

    What we do to overcome our own racism and bigotry is up to us.
    Both as individuals and a society.

    That's a good point- the "as a society" part. In my experiences,
    colors prefer to stay somewhat segregated. I like to see that change,

    You may think that they prefer to stay segregated -- but that is just
    wishful thinking on your part. They might stay segregated because of
    economic circumstances. They may well want to escape the segregated
    area where they are, and some do. Where I live is a good example of how
    that can work. My city has a complete mix of many races living
    peacefully together, side by side.

    but not until it's safe to do so. And I'm not sure how to make it
    happen either; there's not going to be many people agreeing with this.

    Perhaps the minority white people do not agree, because they would
    rather have "not in my neighborhood".

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Tuesday, February 18, 2020 01:07:23
    Hello Aaron,

    Not really. His biological father was black, but split with his

    Let me correct myself: It appears that Obama was not raised black or white,
    but it also appears that he was able to score some votes for having dark
    skin and a shoddy sales pitch.

    A man of all colors, having been raised white, black, and yellow.
    What a nice combination. Score with all voters, regardless of what
    color they consider themselves. Our most inclusive president ever!

    What we do to overcome our own racism and bigotry is up to us.
    Both as individuals and a society.

    That's a good point- the "as a society" part.

    Andrew Young said it first. When he was a kid he used to play
    with a neighbor, who was white. But some of the neighbors got upset
    and wanted him to play only with kids of his own color. He never
    forgot those days, even though it was long ago in New Orleans.

    Much has changed since then, but we still have a long way to go.
    We should look at ourselves as being one community, not separate,
    as America itself is an idea. An idea of one giant melting pot.
    Where all can play as equals.

    In my experiences, colors prefer to stay somewhat segregated. I like to see
    that change, but not until it's safe to do so.

    It is one thing to be proud of one's heritage. Quite another
    to hate others due to race or ethnicity. We are more of a quilt,
    rather than a homogeneous country (such as Japan). A quilt,
    woven together, but not xenophobic.

    And I'm not sure how to make it happen either; there's not going to be many
    people agreeing with this.

    A community that is divided into armed camps, some of those
    camps gated so that none can enter, is no community at all.

    Either we all live in peace, or this country devolves into chaos.

    Remember the late 1960s? Imagine what happened in Chicago at the
    Democratic Convention in 1968. Remember what happened in Washington
    DC. Remember what happened in Los Angeles. Remember what happened
    in Memphis. Remember what happened at Kent State ...

    Everybody deserves a marker. But do you realize what is being
    done for the homeless who die in America? Their bodies are cremated,

    That's another good point.

    We do not treat the poor in this country well at all.
    We treat the homeless even worse. And for those who die
    with no money in their pockets? Oh, those are the worst
    of the worst ...

    What's happened to the slaves is already buried in
    the past, where it belongs.

    Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

    We should never sugarcoat what happened, but accept the facts
    being what they are. Never turn a blind eye, but show the world
    we are man enough to accept our own shortcomings and always try
    to make this a better place for all.

    We didn't do it them.

    Yes, we did. The Framers of the Constitution deliberately
    allowed slavery to continue, refusing to even recognize black
    folks as being human.

    Those who enslaved them, did it legally.

    So did Saudi Arabia, until very recently. And even now, slavery
    continues to exist, although not officially.

    There is nothing legal about human bondage. People cannot be
    bought and sold, like cattle. Even after "legal" slavery came
    to an end in this country due to the 13th Amendment, it was
    still practiced in the form of indentured servitude. That did
    not end until FDR put a stop to it.

    We do have a form of slavery that continues with prison labor.
    This was an exemption in the 13th Amendment. Please read it,
    and be amazed.

    Let's do something for the homeless instead.

    Especially homeless veterans. And homeless with mental issues.
    And homelss children. And homeless everybody.

    Everything ought to be free. And not just for black folks.

    We should be able to pick fruit from trees and hunt for meat, but if you're
    talking about getting a free meal from the grocery store, then that's a lot different.

    What's wrong with getting a free lunch? Everybody wants one.
    Just like MAGA hats. Everybody wants one. As long as somebody
    else is buying.

    A free lunch is all black people ask.

    Who? I haven't heard any black people asking for free lunch.

    When one is asked if they want to join the party, the only
    question neded to be asked is how much it costs. If no mention
    of cost is made, it is a known fact the party is free for all.
    See how that works?

    Usually, however, it is more of a statement rather than a question -

    "Come, join the party!"

    Now that is an offer nobody can refuse ...

    If I did hear someone ask for that, I'd buy them one if I had enough money
    to do so.

    "Come to the Mardi Gras!"

    The world's biggest free party, in New Orleans.

    But I definitely wouldn't go around saying "black people want free lunch"
    just because one person asked for it.

    There will be plenty free food to eat during Mardi Gras.
    Trust me, I know. :)

    --Lee

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  • From aaron thomas@1:3634/24 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, February 18, 2020 18:02:32
    So don't talk about how he was or was not raised -- that matters little
    in the minds of many residents of the USA.

    Why not? How can you speak for many residents of the USA?

    You may think that they prefer to stay segregated -- but that is just wishful thinking on your part. They might stay segregated because of

    I won't speak for their thoughts, but I'll speak for their actions. I'm
    white. I've been told by latinos that I'm not welcome in their neighborhood
    and that even my kids are not welcome. I've also been told this by blacks in
    a more subtle way. And I'm sure that whites (not myself) have redirected wandering blacks & latinos also.

    I don't know how your town came to be, but the towns I've lived in
    (Binghamton, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Albuquerque) are quite segregated
    socially, and it seems to be sorta ok, except for those uncomfortable
    instances that I mentioned.

    Obama got the best of both worlds by exploiting blacks, like a typical Democrat, and then stabbing them in their backs during re-election, and then leaving them for dead by the end of his second term.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:3634/24 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, February 18, 2020 18:11:36
    Much has changed since then, but we still have a long way to go.

    Changed where? Is Louisiana? I believe you - but it's not the same in all cities. I try to have that same open-mindedness as you and Dale, but I don't have a ton of faith in it. Slaves were liberated 160 years ago, mandatory segregation ended about 70 years ago, the Spanish-American war ended quite
    some time ago, but I'm still surrounded by racial hatred, so it seems, so
    then I just adapt to it by being polite, but self-segregating.

    Where all can play as equals.

    I think we're getting closer to that, but just not quite there yet. I've seen Indian nationals demonstrating racism in the workplace back in 2006, and American latinos doing the same thing even more recently. So let's keep positive that what you're saying will happen, and it's on its way, but we
    just aren't there yet. Not until workplace discrimination stops and not until people stop telling people of other races to get out of their neighborhoods.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, February 18, 2020 18:57:54
    wishful thinking on your part. They might stay segregated because of economic circumstances. They may well want to escape the segregated
    area where they are, and some do. Where I live is a good example of how that can work. My city has a complete mix of many races living
    peacefully together, side by side.

    Wrong
    According to http://www.city-data.com/city/Columbia-Maryland.html\
    Whites make up 44.7 % and blacks make up 28.6 %
    As far as blacks being held back due to being segregated, or any
    other downtrodden nonsense.
    Anyone of any race can make it in America, if they are determined.

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Saturday, February 22, 2020 17:25:00
    On 02-14-20, AARON THOMAS said to LEE LOFASO:

    Obama was raised white. Being half and half was an exploitation device for AT>him. There's no such thing as "understanding black people." Thanks for AT>reminding us how racist he is.


    Black folks should be rewarded for everything they have done for this country. From the moment they arrived on our shores.


    Or, if you want to hand out free money to everyone with black skin, then I AT>can foresee the good in that too; the USA will overcrowd with black people AT>seeking money-for-nuthin. Africa will probably lose 90% of its AT>inhabitants, but I bet I'll sell my house for about 4x the price I paid AT>for it. Then I can move to Sudan, or the Congo, where the government is AT>less oppressive towards ethnic groups.


    If a democrat gets in the White House along with a completely democrat Congress, reparations will become a strong issue (the thought of `free money' is ALWAYS a strong issue for democrats....AND their voters).


    If any such bill is passed and a democrat president signs it....look for a cottage industry of `ancestry-search' groups to spring up almost over night,
    to search out a black client's connection to slavery in the early and mid 18th and 19th centuries.....and just how much `reparation' they are owed (for a nominal fee, of course)!


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sunday, February 23, 2020 07:55:00
    If any such bill is passed and a democrat president signs it....look
    for a cottage industry of `ancestry-search' groups to spring up almost over night, to search out a black client's connection to slavery in the early and mid 18th and 19th centuries.....and just how much
    `reparation' they are owed (for a nominal fee, of course)!

    Ya, but the Socialists.....er... Democrats will pass a regulation to stop such an industry - unless, of course, the Leftie elites are running those industries.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sunday, February 23, 2020 14:32:47
    Hello Tim,

    Obama was raised white. Being half and half was an exploitation device
    for
    him. There's no such thing as "understanding black people." Thanks for AT>reminding us how racist he is.


    Black folks should be rewarded for everything they have done for this country. From the moment they arrived on our shores.


    Or, if you want to hand out free money to everyone with black skin, then
    I
    can foresee the good in that too; the USA will overcrowd with black
    people
    seeking money-for-nuthin. Africa will probably lose 90% of its AT>inhabitants, but I bet I'll sell my house for about 4x the price I paid AT>for it. Then I can move to Sudan, or the Congo, where the government is AT>less oppressive towards ethnic groups.


    If a democrat gets in the White House along with a completely democrat Congress, reparations will become a strong issue (the thought of `free
    money'
    is ALWAYS a strong issue for democrats....AND their voters).


    If any such bill is passed and a democrat president signs it....look for a cottage industry of `ancestry-search' groups to spring up almost over
    night,
    to search out a black client's connection to slavery in the early and mid 18th
    and 19th centuries.....and just how much `reparation' they are owed (for a nominal fee, of course)!

    Not to worry. President Bernie Sanders will remain independent of any
    party affiliation.

    --Lee

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