• Killer

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 23:49:04
    On 09-15-20 11:17, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Demagogue Definition <=-

    The media gives Trump too much credit for dictatorship. If you want to
    see a real dictator in the USA, who actually kills his own residents
    with executive orders, look no further than NY governor Andrew Cuomo,
    a proud member of the radical Democrat party.

    How has Cuomo killed NY residents? His actions ended up with Covid
    pretty much under control.

    If you want to look for who killed their own residents, you need look no further than Trump. He has admitted that he knew how deadly Covid-19
    was and how it was air spread. But instead of telling the American
    people that, he said "not to worry -- it will all blow over soon". Plus
    he actively denigrated the procedures which have proven effective in
    containing the spread -- namely social distancing, and wearing a mask.
    He just recently treated his most fervent fans to a high risk indoor
    crowded event with no masks. When asked about this, his response was something along the lines of "No worry, I was safely away from
    everyone". In other words, the only person he cared about protecting
    from being infected was Donald Trump.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:56:39
    How has Cuomo killed NY residents? His actions ended up with Covid
    pretty much under control.

    I answered Al's similar question a few messages back, but something I
    forgot to mention was that Andrew Cuomo routinely empowers organized crime in NYS. People like me complain about it, then liberals defend it by twisting words around.

    Organized crime kills. Why do we want to empower that? And why do we want to slap cops & crime victims in the face with cashless bail? And why do we want to deny legal aid to crime victims, but give legal aid to their assailants simply because they qualify under "illegal immigrants get free legal aid?"

    To answer your question clearly, Andrew Cuomo kills NY residents by giving murderers all the tools they need to do the job.

    ..and if covid-19 was a criminal, it would be no exception; Cuomo bolstered the strength of covid-19 by forcing small nursing homes to attempt to contain the virus. I think he was originally pandering to the seniors in that scenario, trying to sell them "I made sure you could go back to your nursing home & I made sure you didn't have to stay in some stinky hospital!" But he actually killed over 6000 seniors with his selfish pandering vote-seeking agenda.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, September 17, 2020 00:36:00
    On 09-16-20 12:56, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-

    How has Cuomo killed NY residents? His actions ended up with Covid
    pretty much under control.

    I answered Al's similar question a few messages back, but something I forgot to mention was that Andrew Cuomo routinely empowers organized
    crime in NYS. People like me complain about it, then liberals defend
    it by twisting words around.

    That is not the topic we are discussing, and I doubt that you can
    provide any evidence about it anyhow.

    ..and if covid-19 was a criminal, it would be no exception; Cuomo bolstered the strength of covid-19 by forcing small nursing homes to attempt to contain the virus. I think he was originally pandering to
    the seniors in that scenario, trying to sell them "I made sure you
    could go back to your nursing home & I made sure you didn't have to
    stay in some stinky hospital!" But he actually killed over 6000
    seniors with his selfish pandering vote-seeking agenda.

    That was a mistake, and Cuomo owned up to it. Once it was realized how vulnerable nursing homes were, the policy was reversed.

    OTOH, Trump realized how serious Covid was in early January -- but
    deliberately lied to the American people in an attempt not to "cause
    panic". As a result, he has killed tens of thousands of Americans who
    did not have to die.

    Not only that, but he has vigorously talked against the very measures
    that are known by reputable scientists to help mitigate the spread of
    the virus -- social distancing and masks. As a result his minions have
    made such things a political issue instead of the science issue it
    really is.

    And more recently he has taken in a radiologist (e.g. does MRIs etc) as
    his advisor who is touting the absurd theory that we should just let
    people get infected so that we would reach "herd immunity".

    The most conservative estimates are that before that happened the number
    of dead Americans would be in excess of two million, an order of
    magnitude more than it currently is.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Friday, September 18, 2020 10:39:49
    stay in some stinky hospital!" But he actually killed over 6000 seniors with his selfish pandering vote-seeking agenda.

    That was a mistake, and Cuomo owned up to it. Once it was realized how vulnerable nursing homes were, the policy was reversed.

    How did he "own up to it?" He hasn't apologized to anyone. He's a gorilla with a bag of executive orders, and he flings them at people.

    The most conservative estimates are that before that happened the number
    of dead Americans would be in excess of two million, an order of
    magnitude more than it currently is.

    The mask mandate is optional per state, but you'd rather blame Trump than
    blame governors.

    Trump doesn't pencil-whip executive orders, unlike Andrew Cuomo. If we truly wanted a national mask mandate, congress could make a bill for that, but they seem very lazy lately.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, September 19, 2020 01:30:00
    On 09-18-20 10:39, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-

    The most conservative estimates are that before that happened the number of dead Americans would be in excess of two million, an order of
    magnitude more than it currently is.

    The mask mandate is optional per state, but you'd rather blame Trump
    than blame governors.

    When Trump admitted how serious the threat of the virus was way back in January, he could have started talking to the nation and making
    recommendations supported by the scientists. Instead he chose to lie to
    the public, saying it was just the flu and it would soon go away. If he
    had made a national recommendation for masks and social distancing back
    in February/March we would not have 200,000 deaths and rising now.
    Instead he downplayed the recommendations for masks, etc. Had he just suggested serious national policy and guidelines, many more people would
    still be alive.

    A good example of his lack of support for good policy is his recent
    rallies where people were crowded indoors in close quarters, resulting
    in infections and death for some. When asked why he did not ask for
    mask wearing, etc. his response was "I was completely safe, well away
    from anyone else", making it very clear that he cares little for his
    followers and only cares about himself.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, September 19, 2020 10:25:15
    from anyone else", making it very clear that he cares little for his followers and only cares about himself.

    These things that you're saying about Trump, how he should have made recommendations, I think you're right that he should have and could have been a stronger leader from the start of the outbreak. He didn't really have much to say about it. He doesn't "act presidential" sometimes when he really should. But I don't blame him for any covid deaths. There was nothing the president could have done different except for be more demanding.

    A good example of his lack of support for good policy is his recent
    rallies where people were crowded indoors in close quarters, resulting

    That's his followers acting carelessly, but it's got nothing to do with Trump policy. I stand behind Trump's trade policies, immigration policies, and I stand behind Obama's seperation of adults & children policy, which Trump inherited. I'm also with Trump on abortion, defending our police, striking Russia inside Syria, and just about everything else.

    Trump is kind of a weird spoiled rich kid, and he's probably the type who would never cry about anything, as we've seen his lack of emotion. But when you put all those goofy and offensive characteristics aside, he's a pretty good president! He is ready to work with Democrats to help the American people, but these Democrats don't want "agreed with Trump on something" in their career-politician resumes.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, September 19, 2020 13:43:18
    That's his followers acting carelessly, but it's got nothing to do with Trump policy. I stand behind Trump's trade policies, immigration policies, and

    I stand behind Obama's seperation of adults & children policy, which Trump inherited.

    That was never an Obama policy. That was a Trump executive order that stared all that and when the order proved to be a bad idea he said it would stop but it never has.

    Trump also told immigration workers to do things at the border that were illegal and said he would pardon them if they got into legal hot water.

    It seems women in detention centers are being given hysterectomies and other procedures while in detention, without their knowledge.

    None of that is very American.

    I'm also with Trump on abortion, defending our police, striking
    Russia inside Syria, and just about everything else.

    Do your police need Trump's defense?

    Trump is kind of a weird spoiled rich kid, and he's probably the type who would never cry about anything, as we've seen his lack of emotion. But when you put all those goofy and offensive characteristics aside, he's a pretty good president! He is ready to work with Democrats to help the American people, but these Democrats don't want "agreed with Trump on something" in their career-politician resumes.

    Trump is a bigger plague than the coronavirus.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, September 20, 2020 01:03:00
    On 09-19-20 10:25, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-


    from anyone else", making it very clear that he cares little for his followers and only cares about himself.

    These things that you're saying about Trump, how he should have made recommendations, I think you're right that he should have and could
    have been a stronger leader from the start of the outbreak.

    That is exactly right -- and it is the reason that things are as bad as
    they are.

    He didn't really have much to say about it.

    ?? As President, he is supposed to be the leader of the nation. He
    sould have told the people that it might be bad. He sould have told the
    people about actions that they could take to mitigate the infections.
    Instead, he told the people that it was nothing. He told the people to
    ignore the recommended safety recommendations.

    He doesn't "act presidential"
    sometimes when he really should. But I don't blame him for any covid deaths. There was nothing the president could have done different
    except for be more demanding.

    Exactly -- he should have been more honest and demanding. For that he
    has the blame for many covid deaths that would have been avoided if he
    had told the people the correct information instead of his lies.

    A good example of his lack of support for good policy is his recent rallies where people were crowded indoors in close quarters, resulting

    That's his followers acting carelessly, but it's got nothing to do
    with Trump policy.

    DUH -- it has everything to do with his policies, discouraging mask
    wearing and proper social distances.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, September 19, 2020 23:25:36
    I stand behind Obama's seperation of adults & children policy, which Trump >> inherited.

    That was never an Obama policy. That was a Trump executive order that stare >> all that and when the order proved to be a bad idea he said it would stop b >> it never has.

    There was video footage of "children in cages at US detention centers" that was recorded during the Obama administration, and it was used in attack ads against Trump in 2016 mistakenly by black Jesus himself.

    That is the usual conservative talking point. I am not talking about "children in cages at US detention centers" although you might want to work on that also.

    I am talking about Donald Trump's zero tolerance policy, one of his executive orders that separated families.

    From NBC news June 19,2018..

    The Trump administration separated 1,995 children from 1,940 adults from April 19 to May 31, a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security said Friday, a period in which the "zero tolerance" policy was in effect.

    Today the number of children separated from their families exceeds 4,000.

    It seems women in detention centers are being given hysterectomies and othe >> procedures while in detention, without their knowledge.

    Al, we got these weekly periodicals like "The Globe," "The
    Examiner," "The National Inquirer," "The Onion," and a few others. They are
    garbage stories, that only upstate NY moms read, as they pick them up near the
    checkout lane at the grocery store. They were good sellers in my area back around 1985.

    Those periodicals might provide some entertainment value but I wouldn't bother with any of them.

    These literary masterpieces also keep us informed about stuff like Aliens landing in Harlem, doing acid with the Globetrotters, etc.

    Or tune into Fox News, I saw Tucker Carlson had someone on who had "proof" the chinese let the virus out of a lab, on purpose.

    They are sure to also keep you informed about forced hysterectomies on American women in jail.

    This is not a hidden story. It's new but the facts will come out.

    https://youtu.be/Xx24C3F0XEQ

    The media has gone rogue in the states, but it's gone mad worldwide.

    In today's world you have to sift through a lot of stuff but the truth is still
    out there.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:39:28
    Exactly -- he should have been more honest and demanding. For that he
    has the blame for many covid deaths that would have been avoided if he
    had told the people the correct information instead of his lies.

    I don't think the president's advice is anything anyone really cares about when it comes to covid-19. Democrat supporters can't be expected to listen to him, and even Republican supporters should know better than to rely on the president to tell them how to protect their families.

    I'd ask a doctor all the questions, if I was feeling sick. If the president has a doctor telling him stuff about the virus, and the president doesn't listen to the doctor, then that's his problem. I get my medical advice from doctors and not from presidents.

    And when I was worried about getting nuked by NK, I didn't even cry to Obama, because I knew that he was no expert at fixing relations with other countries.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:49:09
    That was never an Obama policy. That was a Trump executive order that stare >> all that and when the order proved to be a bad idea he said it would stop b >> it never has.

    Whether it's an Obama policy or a Trump policy, I support it. When parents are incarcerated for any reason, the kids just aren't allowed to tag along with their parents in the jail cell. Kids deserve better, and lousy parents deserve worse.

    It seems women in detention centers are being given hysterectomies and othe >> procedures while in detention, without their knowledge.

    Thanks for that video link. I suspect that this is the last we ever hear about this story though. It doesn't seem very believable. We've got better things to spend money on than forced hysterectomies.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, September 20, 2020 15:58:34
    Whether it's an Obama policy or a Trump policy, I support it.

    That was a Trump policy, an executive order. Obama doesn't come into it.

    When parents are incarcerated for any reason, the kids just aren't allowed to tag along with their parents in the jail cell. Kids deserve better, and
    lousy parents deserve worse.

    Not everyone that enters the US is a killer/rapist/dealer/thug that should be jailed or separated from their families.

    It seems women in detention centers are being given hysterectomies and othe >>> procedures while in detention, without their knowledge.

    Thanks for that video link. I suspect that this is the last we ever hear about this story though. It doesn't seem very believable. We've got better things to spend money on than forced hysterectomies.

    Indeed, there are a lot of hard to believe things happening in the US these days since Donald Trump was inaugurated.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, September 20, 2020 19:44:28
    Not everyone that enters the US is a killer/rapist/dealer/thug that should jailed or separated from their families.

    In the US, we seperate children from their parents for smaller offenses than illegal border crossing. So to somehow allow illegal immigrants to take their children to jail with them is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of going on at the border.

    I got seperated from my kid just for being male in a Democrat's court. Permanent seperation from that child, not temporary like the immigrant scenario.

    People who want to sympathize for illegal immigrants can do so, but there are Americans suffering the same symptom. To make it fair, we need to let all the Americans take their kids to jail and/or prison with them.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, September 20, 2020 19:38:06
    Not everyone that enters the US is a killer/rapist/dealer/thug that should >> jailed or separated from their families.

    In the US, we seperate children from their parents for smaller offenses than illegal border crossing.

    There is no illegal border crossing here.

    So to somehow allow illegal immigrants to take their children to jail with them is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of going on at the border.

    These are not illegal immigrants.

    I got seperated from my kid just for being male in a Democrat's court.

    A democrat court? Do you have democrat and republican courts?

    Permanent seperation from that child, not temporary like the immigrant scenario.

    I was separated from my mother in a similar (it sounds) way. Time and circumstance corrected that injustice.

    Not all of those separations were temporary. In many cases they don't know who or where the parents are so now there is no way to put those families back together.

    People who want to sympathize for illegal immigrants can do so,

    I have no sympathy for illegal immigrants.

    but there are Americans suffering the same symptom. To make it fair, we need to let all the Americans take their kids to jail and/or prison with them.

    <sigh>

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, September 21, 2020 01:43:00
    On 09-20-20 10:39, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-


    Exactly -- he should have been more honest and demanding. For that he
    has the blame for many covid deaths that would have been avoided if he
    had told the people the correct information instead of his lies.

    I don't think the president's advice is anything anyone really cares
    about when it comes to covid-19.

    That is very wrong. His core follows his lead in many ways.


    Democrat supporters can't be expected
    to listen to him, and even Republican supporters should know better
    than to rely on the president to tell them how to protect their
    families.

    They should know better -- but they do follow his lead.

    I'd ask a doctor all the questions, if I was feeling sick. If the

    The problem with that statement is that by the time you are feeling sick
    with Covid-19 you have probably spread the virus to a number other
    people unless you followed the protocols given by the public medical
    officials. Then they give it to others before they get sick, etc.

    president has a doctor telling him stuff about the virus, and the president doesn't listen to the doctor, then that's his problem. I get
    my medical advice from doctors and not from presidents.

    Then you should listen to the doctors who are tell you to wear a mask in public, to keep social distance, to wash hands, etc. Others are
    listening to Trump telling them not to bother with masks, distancing and
    the rest.

    And when I was worried about getting nuked by NK, I didn't even cry to Obama, because I knew that he was no expert at fixing relations with other countries.

    Very different. There was not much you could personally do about NK as
    an individual. In the case of Covid-19, your personal actions and those
    of the rest of the population have a large effect on the spread of the
    disease.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, September 21, 2020 02:10:02
    On 09-20-20 10:49, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Killer <=-

    Whether it's an Obama policy or a Trump policy, I support it. When
    parents are incarcerated for any reason, the kids just aren't allowed
    to tag along with their parents in the jail cell. Kids deserve better, and lousy parents deserve worse.

    Two things wrong with your statement. First, the parents should not
    have been incarcerated, and second is your assumption that they are
    lousy parents for trying to save their children's life.

    It seems women in detention centers are being given hysterectomies and othe
    procedures while in detention, without their knowledge.

    Thanks for that video link. I suspect that this is the last we ever
    hear about this story though. It doesn't seem very believable. We've
    got better things to spend money on than forced hysterectomies.

    It is believeable, but it is yet to be determined if it was more than
    just one doctor who was performing the operations because of his own
    sick reasons.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Monday, September 21, 2020 09:35:47
    I got seperated from my kid just for being male in a Democrat's court.

    A democrat court? Do you have democrat and republican courts?

    The judges are open about their party affiliation. I had a Democrat judge rule that it would be unliberal to let an American father ever see his child again. That same judge is probably out protesting against Trump seperation policy right now.

    These are not illegal immigrants.

    Of course, there's no such thing as illegal immigrants in the USA while Democrats act as their attorneys. But I'm an attorney for crime victims. (Not literally - but I'm in favor of them.)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Monday, September 21, 2020 09:54:05
    Then you should listen to the doctors who are tell you to wear a mask in public, to keep social distance, to wash hands, etc. Others are
    listening to Trump telling them not to bother with masks, distancing and the rest.

    I watch a lot of news, but I never heard Trump tell people not to wear masks
    or to not socially distance.

    He held some rallies. People went to the rallies without masks, and they sat right next to each other. But we don't have any laws against that. I went to the beach a month ago, and hardly anyone was wearing a mask there either.

    We have the freedom to take a chance with the coronavirus. The president can't actually close the border with Mexico or Canada, so he's not going to achieve 100% protection from infected foreigners. Americans are spoiled, and they're not going to stop going to Walmart. Sometimes we forget our masks at home, and when we get to the store, we will get testy about not being able to enter without the mask.

    I sense that Democrats want to pressure the president into taking authoritative actions to combat the virus, but some of this stuff is too much for Americans. Mask mandate? Try to force a mask onto a WWII veteran and seehow that goes. Self-quarrantine? Tell that to our illegal immigrant community. Social distancing? Tell that to the idiots who are hosting huge parties.

    Pressuring the president into making executive orders that sound like authoritarian orders, just so people can say "See? He really IS a dictator!" it's just not happening.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Monday, September 21, 2020 10:01:27
    Two things wrong with your statement. First, the parents should not
    have been incarcerated, and second is your assumption that they are
    lousy parents for trying to save their children's life.

    I have a biased view of illegal immigrants because of my past dealings with them. If I had been a northerner my whole life, I'd probably throw my country under the train for them too, just like the liberals do.

    But don't you think you're over-generalizing illegal immigrants by saying that they are only sneaking in so they can save the lives of their children?

    If there is some child-murdering policy in effect south of the border, wouldn't it be best for us to stay out of it? We don't rule the world. And if we let the violence spill over into the USA, what are we doing for our own children?

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, September 21, 2020 13:02:18
    On 21 Sep 20 10:01, Aaron Thomas said the following to Dale Shipp:

    But don't you think you're over-generalizing illegal immigrants by saying t they are only sneaking in so they can save the lives of their children?

    The leftist/liberal logic completely ignores that sneaking into another country is *illegal* and will result in *trouble* by the *authorities*.

    Talk about great parenting - Hey honey lets round up the kids and hop
    aboard a caravan on a route that is knowingly dangerous to do something knowingly illegal to knowingly receive a somewhat-harsh outcome if caught.
    All those silly Americans will do is give us something called a "court date".

    Illegal immigrants who play stupid games deserve stupid prizes, period.

    For every clueless moron that gets all offended about cages, unfair treatment, harsh punishments etc... ask them what happens when trying to sneak your
    way into North Korea, China, Russia, Iran, Syria, etc. Do you expect smiles, hugs and freebies? You are *lucky* to even be detained in those countries as you are usually shot, tortured, gangraped, or some variation of "The End".

    Nick

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, September 21, 2020 16:26:34
    The judges are open about their party affiliation. I had a Democrat judge rule that it would be unliberal to let an American father ever see his child again. That same judge is probably out protesting against Trump seperation policy right now.

    Courts/judges make rulings based on law, not something else (like politics).

    Of course, there's no such thing as illegal immigrants in the USA while Democrats act as their attorneys.

    There is such a thing as illegal immigrants. They are deported when found and could be jailed if convicted of crimes before being deported, just like anyone else.

    But I'm an attorney for crime victims. (Not literally - but I'm in favor of them.)

    I am also on the side of crime victims. Immigrants (legal or not) are not the monsters Donald Trump makes them out to be.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, September 22, 2020 00:36:00
    On 09-21-20 09:54, Aaron Thomas <=-
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    Then you should listen to the doctors who are tell you to wear a mask in public, to keep social distance, to wash hands, etc. Others are
    listening to Trump telling them not to bother with masks, distancing and the rest.

    I watch a lot of news, but I never heard Trump tell people not to wear masks or to not socially distance.

    He has denigrated the wearing of masks on many occasions. Did you not
    listen?

    He held some rallies. People went to the rallies without masks, and
    they sat right next to each other. But we don't have any laws against that. I went to the beach a month ago, and hardly anyone was wearing a mask there either.

    It should not take laws for people to do the right thing.

    We have the freedom to take a chance with the coronavirus. The

    What you are ignoring with that statement is that it is not just you
    taking a chance. Such behavior puts all the people you come into
    contact with at risk, some of who are in more vulnerable categories.

    president can't actually close the border with Mexico or Canada, so
    he's not going to achieve 100% protection from infected foreigners.

    It is not the foreigners who are dangerous. It is your neighbors who
    allow themselves to be exposed to the virus without adequate
    protections.

    Americans are spoiled, and they're not going to stop going to Walmart. Sometimes we forget our masks at home, and when we get to the store, we will get testy about not being able to enter without the mask.

    Without a mask, you should not be allowed into the store. Get testy all
    you like, it should not work to do anything other than create a rucus.

    I sense that Democrats want to pressure the president into taking authoritative actions to combat the virus, but some of this stuff is
    too much for Americans. Mask mandate? Try to force a mask onto a WWII veteran and seehow that goes. Self-quarrantine? Tell that to our
    illegal immigrant community.

    Those few WWII veterans who are still around are in the high risk group.
    They should welcome having the people around them take appropriate
    precautions. The community of undocumented people are no different from
    the rest of us.

    Social distancing? Tell that to the
    idiots who are hosting huge parties.

    You called them what they are.

    Pressuring the president into making executive orders that sound like authoritarian orders, just so people can say "See? He really IS a dictator!" it's just not happening.

    He has not been shy about making executive orders. But, it would not
    take him issuing any order to have a positive effect. It would only
    take him publically supporting the things that the scientific community
    has said would be effective. The words and actions of a President carry
    great weight. If he would only support appropriate actions instead of denigrating them, things could get much better.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, September 22, 2020 00:48:02
    On 09-21-20 13:02, Nick Andre <=-
    spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Killer <=-


    The leftist/liberal logic completely ignores that sneaking into
    another country is *illegal* and will result in *trouble* by the *authorities*.

    Except that the USA law grants them the right to seek asylum, and that
    is *NOT* an illegal act.

    For every clueless moron that gets all offended about cages, unfair treatment, harsh punishments etc... ask them what happens when trying
    to sneak your way into North Korea, China, Russia, Iran, Syria, etc. Do you expect smiles, hugs and freebies? You are *lucky* to even be
    detained in those countries as you are usually shot, tortured,
    gangraped, or some variation of "The End".

    Is that what you envision for the USA to become? I hope not.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Tuesday, September 22, 2020 13:47:26
    Courts/judges make rulings based on law, not something else (like politics)

    Family court judges do whatever they want.

    I am also on the side of crime victims. Immigrants (legal or not) are not t monsters Donald Trump makes them out to be.

    You should specify legal or not though, because Trump hasn't complained about legal immigrants. And you're right that illegal immigrants are not the monsters Trump makes them out to be; they are the monsters they make themselves out to be regardless of what Trump has to say about it.

    Not every illegal immigrant is necessarily intending or kill or otherwise hurt American citizens, but for the few who are, we need to put a foot in it, just like we try to do with naturalized criminals. Not show pictures of children in cages from the Obama era and say "Trump hurts immigrants." The other thing that Democrats need to put on their "Do Not Do List" is to stop calling illegal immigrants "migrants." They want to fool people into thinking that anyone not born in the USA has equal rights to be here; they don't. People
    with visas are very welcome, but no visa is no thanks.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, September 22, 2020 14:06:51
    He has denigrated the wearing of masks on many occasions. Did you not listen?

    No, I don't take health advice from the Orange One. But if he has anything else to say, I'm all ears.

    What you are ignoring with that statement is that it is not just you
    taking a chance. Such behavior puts all the people you come into
    contact with at risk, some of who are in more vulnerable categories.

    Vulnerable people should stay home instead of going out to a Trump rally. Same goes with all of Biden's protesters. Biden has more employees at these protests than Trump has attendees at his rallies.

    We have the freedom to take a chance with the coronavirus. The

    What you are ignoring with that statement is that it is not just you
    taking a chance. Such behavior puts all the people you come into
    contact with at risk, some of who are in more vulnerable categories.

    The only way to take away our "freedom to take a chance with coronavirus" would be to take people to jail for not wearing masks. But how can that be an effective deterrent for non-maskers when we're letting everyone out of jail?

    It is not the foreigners who are dangerous. It is your neighbors who
    allow themselves to be exposed to the virus without adequate
    protections.

    Anyone desperate enough to enter the USA, infected or not, can still get here. There's nothing the president can do about it. The USA will never be one
    of the first countries to defeat coronavirus.

    A vaccine sounds great, but just like the non-maskers, there's the anti-vaxers. If we make it a crime not to vaccinate, same deal; people go to jail with the coronavirus, they get out in 24 hours, and they're back on the street still without the vaccine.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, September 22, 2020 14:08:14
    Except that the USA law grants them the right to seek asylum, and that
    is *NOT* an illegal act.

    It's also not illegal to put them in jail for illegal immigration.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, September 22, 2020 16:25:58
    On 22 Sep 20 00:48:02, Dale Shipp said the following to Nick Andre:

    For every clueless moron that gets all offended about cages, unfair treatment, harsh punishments etc... ask them what happens when trying to sneak your way into North Korea, China, Russia, Iran, Syria, etc. D you expect smiles, hugs and freebies? You are *lucky* to even be detained in those countries as you are usually shot, tortured, gangraped, or some variation of "The End".

    Is that what you envision for the USA to become? I hope not.

    Nope, and I'm confused where you would draw that illogical conclusion. America is one of the greatest countries in the world. If it wasn't, people wouldn't
    be trying to desperately sneak into it in search of a better life. What I'm saying is that those who are caught sneaking in should be lucky they get detained in the way they do or let off with warnings as opposed to other countries which take sadistic pleasure in making examples of outsiders.

    People do have brains in their heads... they should use them when being coerced into engaging into highly illegal stunts especially with innocent children involved. The vast majority of American and Canadian legal immigrants do infact use their brains and manage to settle here very successfully.

    Nick

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 02:08:24
    Hello Aaron,

    I got seperated from my kid just for being male in a Democrat's court.
    A democrat court? Do you have democrat and republican courts?

    The judges are open about their party affiliation.

    The courts are not democrat or republican. The judicial branch
    is about interpreting the law, not making the law or enforcing the
    law.

    --Lee

    --
    It's not for women.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 02:08:33
    Hello Aaron,

    Then you should listen to the doctors who are tell you to wear a mask in >DS>public, to keep social distance, to wash hands, etc. Others are >DS>listening to Trump telling them not to bother with masks, distancing and >DS>the rest.

    I watch a lot of news, but I never heard Trump tell people not to wear masks
    or to not socially distance.

    If an individual wants to commit suicide that is his/her own business.
    But I really would prefer they do so in private rather than in public.
    And not put others in danger of dying while in the process.

    --Lee

    --
    Why not enjoy the go?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 02:08:43
    Hello Alan,

    The judges are open about their party affiliation. I had a Democrat judge >>rule that it would be unliberal to let an American father ever see his
    child
    again. That same judge is probably out protesting against Trump seperation >>policy right now.

    Courts/judges make rulings based on law, not something else (like politics).

    Gore v Bush in 2000. USSC gives GWB the nod by a 5-4 vote.

    What was their ruling based on?
    Well, not all valid votes cast were allowed to be counted.
    So the USSC said that was okay. The results would stand with
    GWB ahead and everybody would call it a day.

    A warehouse of paper votes was stored, and sealed, and never
    allowed to be examined. The news media estimates that Gore won
    the election in Florida by well over 50,000 votes. But due to
    the number of valid votes cast that were not allowed to be
    counted, none of that mattered.

    In any event, the USSC did not decide the election. Gore could
    have simply ignored the ruling. But he decided to concede the
    election after the USSC announced its vote. Why? "For the good
    of the country." That was his stated reason.

    At no time did Gore ever say he had lost the election.

    --Lee

    --
    The more you play with it the harder it gets

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, September 22, 2020 20:35:49
    The courts are not democrat or republican. The judicial branch
    is about interpreting the law, not making the law or enforcing the
    law.

    In NY & Pennsylvania, at least, the judges are open about their political party. If you elect a Democrat for judge, they will do liberal stuff like rule in favor of a woman over a man.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to All on Tuesday, September 22, 2020 20:42:10
    Party city is being sued for stocking their shelves with Robert E Lee costumes for kids.

    The claimants allege that "It's racist to sell Democrat stuff," and that the confederate costume is a symbol of racism.

    I disagree with the claimants on the 2nd part; Democrats aren't a symbol of racism, but they are a symbol of slavery.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 00:37:00
    On 09-22-20 14:06, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-


    He has denigrated the wearing of masks on many occasions. Did you not listen?

    No, I don't take health advice from the Orange One. But if he has
    anything else to say, I'm all ears.

    Good for you -- but what about all of those who do follow his advice, explicitly or implicitly stated. The ones who turn up at his rallies
    without masks, crowding together and cheering at the top of their
    voices. That behavior is what causes spreading of the virus to others.

    What you are ignoring with that statement is that it is not just you taking a chance. Such behavior puts all the people you come into
    contact with at risk, some of who are in more vulnerable categories.

    Vulnerable people should stay home instead of going out to a Trump
    rally. Same goes with all of Biden's protesters. Biden has more
    employees at these protests than Trump has attendees at his rallies.

    Really, PUSU on that. I cannot see why any Biden supporter or employee
    could even stand being at his rallies.

    We have the freedom to take a chance with the coronavirus. The

    What you are ignoring with that statement is that it is not just you taking a chance. Such behavior puts all the people you come into
    contact with at risk, some of who are in more vulnerable categories.

    The only way to take away our "freedom to take a chance with
    coronavirus" would be to take people to jail for not wearing masks.

    It is not the only way to increase the actions of social distancing
    and/or mask wearing. If Trump had simply come out with statements
    encouraging those practicing back when he admitted to Woodward how
    serious the CoronaVirus was, then many people would have adopted those practices and we might not be in the mess we are now. Public
    truth-telling and persuading can go a long way to achieve a result.

    But how can that be an effective deterrent for non-maskers when we're letting everyone out of jail?

    Non sequitur.

    It is not the foreigners who are dangerous. It is your neighbors who allow themselves to be exposed to the virus without adequate
    protections.

    Your paragraph below does not respond to the statement.

    Anyone desperate enough to enter the USA, infected or not, can still
    get here. There's nothing the president can do about it. The USA will never be one of the first countries to defeat coronavirus.

    It may well be the last country to defeat coronavirus.

    A vaccine sounds great, but just like the non-maskers, there's the anti-vaxers. If we make it a crime not to vaccinate, same deal; people
    go to jail with the coronavirus, they get out in 24 hours, and they're back on the street still without the vaccine.

    There you go with a false premise again.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 00:49:02
    On 09-22-20 14:08, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-


    Except that the USA law grants them the right to seek asylum, and that
    is *NOT* an illegal act.

    It's also not illegal to put them in jail for illegal immigration.

    Entering the USA without a visa is a misdemeanor, not normally the type
    of offense that results in jail -- especially before a trial.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 10:52:23
    Hello Aaron,

    It is not the foreigners who are dangerous. It is your neighbors who >DS>allow themselves to be exposed to the virus without adequate >DS>protections.

    Anyone desperate enough to enter the USA, infected or not, can still get
    here. There's nothing the president can do about it. The USA will never be one of the first countries to defeat coronavirus.

    People arriving in the USA who are infected can be quarantined.
    Doesn't matter if they get here legally or illegally. They can, and
    should be, quarantined. That is a public health issue. The president
    can do a lot more than he is currently doing. We all know that.

    A vaccine sounds great, but just like the non-maskers, there's the
    anti-vaxers. If we make it a crime not to vaccinate, same deal; people go
    to jail with the coronavirus, they get out in 24 hours, and they're back on the street still without the vaccine.

    Knowingly infecting a person with AIDS is a criminal act.
    Knowingly infecting a person with COVID-19 is also a criminal act.
    In fact, doing so is considered as being an act of terrorism.

    Refusal to get inoculated is suicidal, so what is the point?
    How else would you be able to protect yourself, and others?
    Locking yourself up in a room and refusing to come out is not
    an answer. Same with others in your care. This is a public
    health crisis. And we all must do our part.

    --Lee

    --
    Show me what democracy looks like! / This is what demcracy looks like!

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 10:52:29
    Hello Aaron,

    Except that the USA law grants them the right to seek asylum, and that >DS>is *NOT* an illegal act.

    It's also not illegal to put them in jail for illegal immigration.

    They are detained, then sent back to wherever they came from.
    Not the same as being put in jail, as a first offense is only
    a misdemeanor.

    --Lee

    --
    Love trumps hate!

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 01:06:44
    Gore v Bush in 2000. USSC gives GWB the nod by a 5-4 vote.

    I remember that. I often wonder if the electoral college is a good or bad thing.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 07:20:47
    On 23 Sep 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    The courts are not democrat or republican. The judicial branch
    is about interpreting the law, not making the law or enforcing the
    law.

    So U R OK with Trump's nomination?? Judges just interpret the law!!!

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 11:37:24
    Entering the USA without a visa is a misdemeanor, not normally the type
    of offense that results in jail -- especially before a trial.

    Usually when someone is accused of a misdemeanor, they are released with an appearance ticket because they're expected to show up for court. But
    why would anyone go to immigration court when it's more fun to just rape
    and murder an old couple, then take their car for a road trip to California or New York for a full pardon for all crimes committed along the bloody trail?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 11:41:24
    People arriving in the USA who are infected can be quarantined.
    Doesn't matter if they get here legally or illegally. They can, and
    should be, quarantined. That is a public health issue. The president
    can do a lot more than he is currently doing. We all know that.

    You're hilarious! Illegals should quarantine when they get here. Right! They should also not rape & murder when they get here, but statistics show that illegals don't always do what they should.

    And they would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for them meddlin' presidents!

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 10:03:02
    On 22 Sep 2020, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    Party city is being sued for stocking their shelves with Robert E Lee costumes for kids.

    The claimants allege that "It's racist to sell Democrat stuff," and that the confederate costume is a symbol of racism.

    I disagree with the claimants on the 2nd part; Democrats aren't a symbol of racism, but they are a symbol of slavery.


    Lets not get ahead of ourselves and think this through....

    Yes, the Democratic party was/is the party of slavery. Back in the day they used whips and chains where as today they use fear and other mental
    barriers... learned helplessness...

    If being the party of slavery, fighting a war to try to keep slavery isn't racist than I don't know what one would have to do to be racist....

    Democrats were the party that enabled Jim Crow laws.... The laws made to segregate and marginalized the blacks after the civil war... This was easily accomplished because all the politicians, police and judges were
    ex-confederate military....

    https://www.history.com/topics/early-20th-century-us/jim-crow-laws

    If being the party of Jim Crow laws doesn't make you a racist then I don't
    know what does...

    The KKK was founded by the Democratic Party... On the same page... link
    above history.com talks about the KKK...

    "During the Reconstruction era, local governments, as well as the national Democratic Party and President Andrew Johnson, thwarted efforts to help Black Americans move forward.

    Violence was on the rise, making danger a regular aspect of African American life. Black schools were vandalized and destroyed, and bands of violent white people attacked, tortured and lynched Black citizens in the night. Families were attacked and forced off their land all across the South.

    The most ruthless organization of the Jim Crow era, the Ku Klux Klan, was
    born in 1865 in Pulaski, Tennessee, as a private club for Confederate veterans."

    The KKK was later normalized into the US Government by the Democratic
    president Woodrow Wilson.

    History.com is quoted as saying this about
    Woodrow... "But Wilson was also a segregationist who wrote a history textbook praising the Confederacy and, in particular, the Ku Klux Klan. As president,
    he rolled back hard-fought economic progress for Black Americans, overseeing the segregation of multiple agencies of the federal government.".

    If attempting to normalize segregation and a hate group like the KKK as a
    party platform.... Then what is being a racist...

    What a minute... Didn't the Democrats pass the equal rights laws passed in
    the 60's... Yes there was a Democratic president in the office while they
    were passed... The laws were passed in part by the Republic party... voted
    90% in agreement to them... whereas the Democrats voted in favor ~60%...

    Moreover, it was an ex-KKK Democratic Senator Robert Byrd who tried to slow down/stop the process of these laws being passed by filibustering its/there passages...

    " *West Virginia's Democratic United States Senator Robert C. Byrd was a recruiter for the Klan while in his 20s and 30s, rising to the title of
    Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops of his local chapter. After leaving the group,
    Byrd spoke in favor of the Klan during his early political career. Though he claimed to have left the organization in 1943, Byrd wrote a letter in 1946 to the group's Imperial Wizard stating "The Klan is needed today as never
    before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia." Byrd defended the Klan in his 1958 U.S. Senate campaign when he was 41 years old."

    L.B.J, the Democratic President at the time use to call the civil rights bill as... "Then in 1957, Johnson would help get the nigger bill passed, known to most as the Civil Rights Act of 1957. With the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act"

    And of course we cannot forget this quote either... LBJ, a beer-swilling, blunt-speaking Texan, didn't shy from using what today we refer to as The N Word. One sentence often attributed to LBJ, which has gained great fame on the internet, is this: "I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for 200 years."

    Apparently LBJ set Joe Biden up... since Joe thought blacks were to vote Democratic for the next 200 years Joe assumed that blacks will vote for
    him... this explains Joe's words... If you don't vote for me you ain't
    black...

    Anyway, just saying... They may have a point about the Democrats being racist... I'm still on the fence though

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 10:23:48
    On 23 Sep 2020, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Gore v Bush in 2000. USSC gives GWB the nod by a 5-4 vote.

    I remember that. I often wonder if the electoral college is a good or bad thing.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
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    R U serious... question... R U Canadian.... I'll touch on the Canadian thing latter... The founding fathers wanted the president to be the president of the United States and not just the president of New York and California. The electoral college forces presidents to visit and actually give a shit about what the other 48 States want and need.

    Hillary won the popular vote in 2016 but lost in a landslide with the
    electoral college... One of the reasons was that she never stopped at other states... she just flew from New York and California repeatedly fund raising and campaigning ... Her husband Bill even said she should stop and talk to the peasants and pretend that you care....

    She lost to a man who had no political experience... Trump made several stops and talked to the common folks... He said He loved his country... He loved it's citizens... and he'll spend every waken moment fighting for them... And that they'd be tired of winning...

    I said I'd loop back to Canada... Canada needs something like the electoral college, it has a popular vote... Reason being... most, if not all, elections are settled with only one or two Provinces... Ontario and sometimes Quebec ...

    As corrupt as Trudeau is... he'll stay in power, ad nauseam, because the residence of Ontario keep voting him in... they are drinking the Kool-Aid

    There... just saying

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to IB Joe on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 13:05:10
    R U serious... question...

    Completely.

    R U Canadian....

    I was born and raised in British Columbia. I am Canadian.

    The founding fathers wanted the president to be the president of the
    United States and not just the president of New York and California.

    Does the electoral college do that? Currenly you have a president of red states
    in spite of the red voters in blue states. Blue states are ridiculed as anarchist states that should/will be defunded.

    The electoral college forces presidents to visit and actually give a shit about what the other 48 States want and need.

    If that is so then the electoral college has failed. Donald Trump rarely visits
    blue states.

    Donald Trump will say anything but we all know what his words are worth.

    Hillary won the popular vote in 2016 but lost in a landslide with the electoral college...

    That's what I mean. How can someone win the election by a landslide, and yet the majority of voters did not vote for them?

    One of the reasons was that she never stopped at other states... she just flew from New York and California repeatedly fund raising and campaigning ... Her husband Bill even said she should stop and talk to the peasants and pretend that you care....

    I am not a fan of Hillary. I didn't watch the election or what she said/did.

    I do know that Hillary got 2.9 million more votes than Trump.

    She lost to a man who had no political experience... Trump made several stops and talked to the common folks... He said He loved his country... He loved it' citizens... and he'll spend every waken moment fighting for them... And that they'd be tired of winning...

    I said I'd loop back to Canada... Canada needs something like the electoral college, it has a popular vote... Reason being... most, if not all, elections are settled with only one or two Provinces... Ontario and sometimes Quebec

    No thank you. It's true the election in Canada is settled before the polls close in BC. I'm OK with that knowing that the will of the people will decide.

    As corrupt as Trudeau is... he'll stay in power, ad nauseam, because
    the residence of Ontario keep voting him in... they are drinking the Kool-Aid

    I hated (passionately) Pierre Trudeau but I am OK with Justin Trudeau. He will stay in power until the people say otherwise and they will want change at some point.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Ib Joe on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 17:40:07
    If being the party of slavery, fighting a war to try to keep slavery isn't racist than I don't know what one would have to do to be racist....

    You're right. I was just trying to make our liberal friends feel better about doing dirty deeds for the enslavement party. It's got to be hard to swallow a lot of that stuff.

    I don't get why liberals always downplay Biden's racial remarks. He's got the most racist comments that will ever go down in history, or he's at least 2nd only to LBJ. I commend Joe Biden for his failure to use the N word, although it sure seems like it's always on the tip of his tongue!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 17:52:29
    I am not a fan of Hillary. I didn't watch the election or what she said/did

    How could you not be a fan of Hillary? She's the perfect Democrat.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 19:59:44
    On 23 Sep 20 17:52, Aaron Thomas said the following to Alan Ianson:

    I am not a fan of Hillary. I didn't watch the election or what she said/did

    How could you not be a fan of Hillary? She's the perfect Democrat.

    Hillary was *exactly* like my mother-in-law, mother of my ex. Oh mannnnnnnn
    she was something else. You can judge a lot about a woman based on the relationship with her mother and in this case, it was two fucked up peas in
    one fucked up pod. She interfered constantly and caused SOOOO much shit it was surreal. Its disturbing. No wonder Billy banged everything else that moved.

    Nick

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Alan Ianson on Thursday, September 24, 2020 04:17:05
    Hello Alan,

    Gore v Bush in 2000. USSC gives GWB the nod by a 5-4 vote.

    I remember that. I often wonder if the electoral college is a good or bad
    thing.

    First of all, the USSC decision did not decide the election.
    Gore could have ignored it, which he did. Gore was also under
    no obligation to concede. He decided to concede, citing his
    reason as "for the good of the country." No other reason was
    stated.

    The electoral college system is antiquated, and should have
    been discarded long ago. It is a relic from colonial times, which
    only a small handful of countries continue to use today.

    What we need is direct democracy. One person, one vote.
    That is how we elect everybody else. Why should the presidency
    be any different?

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to IB Joe on Thursday, September 24, 2020 04:17:28
    Hello Joe,

    The courts are not democrat or republican. The judicial branch
    is about interpreting the law, not making the law or enforcing the
    law.

    So U R OK with Trump's nomination?? Judges just interpret the law!!!

    No. You don't understand. We are talking about a justice of the USSC.
    Not a mere judge. And you know what that means.

    The US Constitution lays out what the qualifications are -

    * be old enough to vote

    I meet that criteria in spades.

    I would feel much better if Trump nominates me. That way, I will
    get to interpret the law the way it is meant to be!

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, September 24, 2020 04:17:52
    Hello Aaron,

    People arriving in the USA who are infected can be quarantined.
    Doesn't matter if they get here legally or illegally. They can, and >LL>should be, quarantined. That is a public health issue. The president >LL>can do a lot more than he is currently doing. We all know that.

    You're hilarious! Illegals should quarantine when they get here. Right! They
    should also not rape & murder when they get here, but statistics show that illegals don't always do what they should.

    They are tested for coronavirus. And also for communicable diseases.
    Not only to keep us safe, but also to keep all others who get here
    safe. You can just imagine how many folks would die if nobody was to
    be tested. It would be horrible. Too horribe to imagine.

    And they would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for them meddlin'
    presidents!

    Locking people up in cages, closely together, is a deadly combination. Especially given the fact that the coronavirus is so highly contagious.
    And to think, none of them are given a mask. Not those inside cages or
    outside cages. The least the president could do is give everybody a
    mask. In orange, to match the color of his hair.

    --Lee

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 20:31:48
    On 23 Sep 2020, Alan Ianson said the following...

    R U serious... question...

    Completely.

    R U Canadian....

    I was born and raised in British Columbia. I am Canadian.


    I'm a citizen of both countries. Born and raised in Canada ... spent enough time in the US to become a citizen.


    The founding fathers wanted the president to be the president of the United States and not just the president of New York and California.

    Does the electoral college do that? Currenly you have a president of red states in spite of the red voters in blue states. Blue states are ridiculed as anarchist states that should/will be defunded.


    It may or may not... I guess if you were a liberal living in New York and you don't care what non-New Yorkers feel then I guess...

    Here's a map of Trump's election night by county... Looks like he won the country by ~80%.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/akD43PDuz97KwEB56

    an other nice one..
    https://images.app.goo.gl/EE92HCmmRoSdsBSf8

    Clearly it's not a minority of Red running majority of Blue .

    Among other reasons... during the time of the electoral college some of the smaller states... Like Montana... had a 2 or 3 day ride by horse to vote.
    Where as people in more populated areas just walked down the street.

    Since the founding of the US they have always been working on compromises. States that were more populated always wanted a popular vote where as states who weren't as populated didn't.

    As an aside, the current situation with the law makers... House & Senate.
    The house gives you a proportional amount of representatives based on population... This was the answer to the states wanting popular vote rule. They added the Senate in... 2 senators per state... equal representation for each state. To pass a law in the states The House will vote, then the Senate and then finally it's signed into Law by the President.

    Perfect compromise... The electoral college should be viewed in the same manner.

    The rules are the rules... they have been around for sometime now. The Democrats should find some persuasive arguments to win over middle America... but rather they sound like the sports team who looses all the time and they blame the rules and refs for their losses.

    The electoral college forces presidents to visit and actually give a shi about what the other 48 States want and need.

    If that is so then the electoral college has failed. Donald Trump rarely visits blue states.

    That's a lie... Trump constantly goes to goes into the Viper's den... all the time. He Talks to reports all the time, most hate him, he still shows up.
    He flipped several blue states because he went to them repeatedly... Michigan is one... and he was in Minnesota just the other day a state who's hasn't
    voted a Republican for over 40 years


    Donald Trump will say anything but we all know what his words are worth.


    Not sure that you're saying here... Trump has kept his word more than any
    other politician...


    Hillary won the popular vote in 2016 but lost in a landslide with the electoral college...

    That's what I mean. How can someone win the election by a landslide, and yet the majority of voters did not vote for them?

    Rules are the rules, they knew they were going into it. Knowing what they
    are ... and Hillary still did not stop at some states she needed to win the election. Bill Clinton told her she should... she chose not to. She assumed that the states Trump flipped to red were firmly in her corner... And I guess not, a tactical error on her part.


    One of the reasons was that she never stopped at other states... she jus flew from New York and California repeatedly fund raising and campaignin Her husband Bill even said she should stop and talk to the peasants and pretend that you care....

    I am not a fan of Hillary. I didn't watch the election or what she said/did.

    I do know that Hillary got 2.9 million more votes than Trump.

    Doesn't matter... In the US it's not a popular vote it's an electoral college vote. If you're running for president you should work your game with that in mind...

    :)
    Enjoy!!!

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 20:40:22
    On 23 Sep 2020, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    If being the party of slavery, fighting a war to try to keep slavery i racist than I don't know what one would have to do to be racist....

    You're right. I was just trying to make our liberal friends feel better about doing dirty deeds for the enslavement party. It's got to be hard
    to swallow a lot of that stuff.

    I don't get why liberals always downplay Biden's racial remarks. He's
    got the most racist comments that will ever go down in history, or he's
    at least 2nd only to LBJ. I commend Joe Biden for his failure to use the
    N word, although it sure seems like it's always on the tip of his tongue!

    My answer to you was done for the same reasons.... to trigger some liberals.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 23:58:29
    one fucked up pod. She interfered constantly and caused SOOOO much shit it surreal. Its disturbing. No wonder Billy banged everything else that moved.

    I thought she wasn't bad looking in the 90s. Back then I didn't know how deranged she was either. I thought Bill was an idiot for taking Hillary for granted, but now it's sorta obvious that she is probably a pretty bad lay and pretty difficult to talk to.

    But if I was Bill, I swear I would have made stuff work with Monica. He's an idiot for taking her for granted!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, September 24, 2020 00:07:07
    What we need is direct democracy. One person, one vote.
    That is how we elect everybody else. Why should the presidency
    be any different?

    I bet there are Republicans who would vote with you on that. I'd use it as leverage - if libs want the e.c. removed, maybe we make a deal that in return, Democrats do something for us - something big.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, September 24, 2020 00:14:48
    They are tested for coronavirus. And also for communicable diseases.

    Who are you talking about? Illegals who were captured? What about the ones not caputured?

    And to think, none of them are given a mask. Not those inside cages or

    Incarcerated illegals don't get free masks? That sounds a little unfair to me, but when did the USA start offering free masks to illegals?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, September 24, 2020 02:03:00
    On 09-23-20 11:37, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-


    Entering the USA without a visa is a misdemeanor, not normally the type
    of offense that results in jail -- especially before a trial.

    Usually when someone is accused of a misdemeanor, they are released
    with an appearance ticket because they're expected to show up for
    court.

    When that was the policy, a majority of them did show up. They are
    trying to achieve asylum according to the USA law.

    But why would anyone go to immigration court when it's more fun
    to just rape and murder an old couple, then take their car for a road trip to California or New York for a full pardon for all crimes
    committed along the bloody trail?

    That is a totally abhorrent and prejudicial characterization that
    wrongly paints an entire group of people with the actions of a few.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)



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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, September 24, 2020 01:23:14
    I am not a fan of Hillary. I didn't watch the election or what she said/did

    How could you not be a fan of Hillary? She's the perfect Democrat.

    I would support her before Trump but I am no fan. Maybe I'm an olf fashioned guy, I dunno.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to IB Joe on Thursday, September 24, 2020 01:48:34
    Among other reasons... during the time of the electoral college some of the smaller states... Like Montana... had a 2 or 3 day ride by horse to vote. Where as people in more populated areas just walked down the street.

    Yep, it was another time and place.

    Since the founding of the US they have always been working on compromises. States that were more populated always wanted a popular vote where as states who weren't as populated didn't.

    A NY vote doesn't have the same stuff as a MN vote?

    Currently there is a silent majority in the US.

    If that is so then the electoral college has failed. Donald Trump rarely
    visits blue states.

    That's a lie... Trump constantly goes to goes into the Viper's den... all the time.

    Look it up, Trump spends a lot of time with his base where he is comfortable in
    the adulation.

    Donald Trump will say anything but we all know what his words are worth.

    Not sure that you're saying here...

    I'm saying that Donald Trump is a liar.

    Trump has kept his word more than any other politician...

    Has Mexico paid for the wall yet?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Nick Andre on Thursday, September 24, 2020 15:30:12
    Hello Nick,

    I am not a fan of Hillary. I didn't watch the election or what she
    said/did AT> AT> How could you not be a fan of Hillary? She's the perfect Democrat.

    Hillary was *exactly* like my mother-in-law, mother of my ex. Oh mannnnnnnn she was something else. You can judge a lot about a woman based on the relationship with her mother and in this case, it was two fucked up peas in one fucked up pod. She interfered constantly and caused SOOOO much shit it was surreal. Its disturbing. No wonder Billy banged everything else that moved.

    Who says she didn't let him? Who says he didn't let her? The two
    of them have been married for how long? They certainly must love each
    other. Much more so than others. So. You bang whoever you want. They
    will bang whoever they want. And everybody will be happy.

    --Lee

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, September 24, 2020 09:49:20
    On 23 Sep 20 23:58, Aaron Thomas said the following to Nick Andre:

    one fucked up pod. She interfered constantly and caused SOOOO much shit it surreal. Its disturbing. No wonder Billy banged everything else that moved.

    I thought she wasn't bad looking in the 90s. Back then I didn't know how deranged she was either. I thought Bill was an idiot for taking Hillary for granted, but now it's sorta obvious that she is probably a pretty bad lay a pretty difficult to talk to.

    There's just something about her that screams "entitled bitch" and thankfully you guys in 2016 caught that and thats why she lost. Thats what I keep telling people who can't understand why Trump was voted in - The alternative would of been far, far worse. If anything, Trump is the giant middle finger to the entitled corrupt leftist establishment.

    But if I was Bill, I swear I would have made stuff work with Monica. He's a idiot for taking her for granted!

    He probably should've just admitted the whole thing rather than arguing semantics about cigars and blowjobs. And he REALLY hasn't aged well either.

    Nick

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, September 24, 2020 10:20:32
    That is a totally abhorrent and prejudicial characterization that
    wrongly paints an entire group of people with the actions of a few.

    Ok, so not all of them are raping and murdering, but what's up with all the auto thefts? I bet they kick themselves when they steal cars that don't make it to the finish line (NY or California or Mexico.)

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, September 24, 2020 23:23:00
    On 09-24-20 10:20, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-


    That is a totally abhorrent and prejudicial characterization that
    wrongly paints an entire group of people with the actions of a few.

    Ok, so not all of them are raping and murdering, but what's up with
    all the auto thefts? I bet they kick themselves when they steal cars
    that don't make it to the finish line (NY or California or Mexico.)

    Same response as before.

    What about all of them who work for you in the fields, providing you
    with fresh produce? Or those who do house work that no one else will
    do?

    You are making false generalizations from the few to the many.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to NICK ANDRE on Friday, September 25, 2020 22:17:00
    On 09-22-20, DALE SHIPP said to NICK ANDRE:

    On 09-21-20 13:02, Nick Andre <=-
    spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Killer <=-


    The leftist/liberal logic completely ignores that sneaking into
    another country is *illegal* and will result in *trouble* by the *authorities*.


    Except that the USA law grants them the right to seek asylum, and that
    is *NOT* an illegal act.


    Shipp is conveniently ignoring a certain part of that `USA law'; They are required to seek `Asylum' in the first country they arrive in.


    In many many cases they are people coming up `through' Mexico, which is `the first country they come to'!


    For every clueless moron that gets all offended about cages, unfair treatment, harsh punishments etc... ask them what happens when trying
    to sneak your way into North Korea, China, Russia, Iran, Syria, etc. Do
    you expect smiles, hugs and freebies? You are *lucky* to even be
    detained in those countries as you are usually shot, tortured,
    gangraped, or some variation of "The End".


    Is that what you envision for the USA to become? I hope not.


    Typical of Shipp.



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, September 26, 2020 02:20:35
    What about all of them who work for you in the fields, providing you
    with fresh produce? Or those who do house work that no one else will
    do?

    That's racist to say that you want illegals to come here and do menial tasks. The Trump administration wants to invite skilled immigrants with visas for positions that we can't fill. I like his plan better.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, September 26, 2020 15:22:31
    On 15 Sep 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 09-15-20 11:17, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Demagogue Definition <=-

    The media gives Trump too much credit for dictatorship. If you want t see a real dictator in the USA, who actually kills his own residents with executive orders, look no further than NY governor Andrew Cuomo a proud member of the radical Democrat party.

    How has Cuomo killed NY residents? His actions ended up with Covid
    pretty much under control.

    Sending people w/ covid into a Nursing home facility was just plain dumb.
    The control part comes when your dead, as your unlikely to move a muscle.


    If you want to look for who killed their own residents, you need look no further than Trump. He has admitted that he knew how deadly Covid-19
    was and how it was air spread. But instead of telling the American
    people that, he said "not to worry -- it will all blow over soon". Plus he actively denigrated the procedures which have proven effective in containing the spread -- namely social distancing, and wearing a mask.
    He just recently treated his most fervent fans to a high risk indoor crowded event with no masks. When asked about this, his response was something along the lines of "No worry, I was safely away from
    everyone". In other words, the only person he cared about protecting
    from being infected was Donald Trump.

    In the beginning days there was not a lot of information that was known so naturally the President would not want invoke panic, if he did that, you
    people would of pounced on him for doing so, and you your delusional friends would of made THAT a huge story where as; it would of been said that Trump is not qualified to lead or was not acting Presidential.

    Trump did the following:
    Travel was shutdown from China coming into the U.S. followed by travel being shutdown from Europe to U.S. this action alone saved many lives.
    There has been plenty of PPE gear as well ventilators that been produced. Pharmaceuticals have been proven useful, hundreds of make shift hospital were created in NYC but never used, and a massive Hospital was brought to New York Harbor as well as the port in the California harbor.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, September 27, 2020 00:58:04
    On 09-26-20 02:20, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-


    What about all of them who work for you in the fields, providing you
    with fresh produce? Or those who do house work that no one else will
    do?

    That's racist to say that you want illegals to come here and do menial tasks. The Trump administration wants to invite skilled immigrants
    with visas for positions that we can't fill. I like his plan better.

    What is wrong with that statement is what Trump does, not what he says.
    He had worker visas denied for people to work in the crab picking,
    people who had come on visas every year during the season. In addition,
    his organization has hired undocumented immigrants.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, September 27, 2020 10:16:53
    That's racist to say that you want illegals to come here and do menial tasks. The Trump administration wants to invite skilled immigrants with visas for positions that we can't fill. I like his plan better.

    What is wrong with that statement is what Trump does, not what he says.
    He had worker visas denied for people to work in the crab picking,
    people who had come on visas every year during the season. In addition, his organization has hired undocumented immigrants.

    You're shifting the focus from your own racism to Trump's racism.

    It's like when you get caught speeding, and you try to tell the cop "Those other cars were speeding too!"

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, September 28, 2020 00:20:02
    On 09-27-20 10:16, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-


    That's racist to say that you want illegals to
    come here and do menial
    tasks. The Trump administration wants to invite skilled immigrants
    with visas for positions that we can't fill. I like his plan better.

    What is wrong with that statement is what Trump does, not what he says.
    He had worker visas denied for people to work in the crab picking,
    people who had come on visas every year during the season. In addition, his organization has hired undocumented immigrants.

    You're shifting the focus from your own racism to Trump's racism.

    No. I am pointing out the hypocrascy of Trump yelling about blocking
    "illegal" immigrants versus inviting skilled immigrants. All the while
    he has blocked immigrants on legitimate visas and hired undocumented immigrants.

    It's like when you get caught speeding, and you try to tell the cop
    "Those other cars were speeding too!"

    Nice try at pivoting -- but you miss the point. I am not the one who
    got caught in multiple lies -- Trump is.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Saturday, October 03, 2020 18:02:00
    On 09-24-20, DALE SHIPP said to AARON THOMAS:

    On 09-24-20 10:20, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-


    That is a totally abhorrent and prejudicial characterization that
    wrongly paints an entire group of people with the actions of a few.

    Ok, so not all of them are raping and murdering, but what's up with
    all the auto thefts? I bet they kick themselves when they steal cars
    that don't make it to the finish line (NY or California or Mexico.)


    Same response as before.


    What about all of them who work for you in the fields, providing you
    with fresh produce?


    They come here and work the harvesting season and go back to Mexico, same as before.


    Or those who do house work that no one else will
    do?


    Many, if not most, of the people who can afford to hire people who do house work hire cleaning services who send people to do it.


    The people who HIRE their workers are responsible to see they are here legally and have the proper papers.


    You are making false generalizations from the few to the many.


    You lefties have one excuse after another. You've been predictable for
    decades!


    Tagline;


    "Now I remember....Amy Coney Barrett was the other woman at the
    party!".... Blaisy Ford



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