• Weakling

    From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dennis Katsonis on Tuesday, September 01, 2020 21:57:49
    Hello Dennis,

    Donald J. Trump. The man with no balls.

    "He may believe mouthing the words law and order makes him strong,
    but his failure to call on his own supporters to stop acting as an >LL>armed militia in this country shows you how weak he is."
    ~ Joe Biden, 8/31/2020

    Do you want Trump to use a stronger police force then?

    I want Trump to do his fucking job!

    "The job of a president is to tell it straight from the shoulder, tell
    the truth, to be candid, to face facts, to lead, not to insight. That’s
    why I’m speaking to you today. The incumbant president is incapable of telling us the truth, incapable of facing the facts and incapable of
    healing. He doesn’t want to shed light, he wants to generate heat and
    he’s stroking violence in our cities.

    "This is a tragic fact of the matter, how he’s dealing with this
    perilous hour in our nation. And now we have to stand against violence
    in every form it takes. Violence we’ve seen again and again and again,
    of unwarranted police shooting, excessive force, seven bullets in the
    back of Jacob Blake. Knee on the neck of George Floyd, killing of
    Breonna Taylor in her own apartment, violence of extremists and
    opportunists, right wing militias… And to derail any hope and support
    for progress, the senseless violence of looting and burning and
    destruction of property. I want to make it absolutely clear, so I’m
    going to be very clear about all of this, rioting is not protesting.
    Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting. None of
    this is protesting. It’s lawlessness, plain and simple. And those who
    do it should be prosecuted. Violence will not bring change, it will
    only bring destruction. It’s wrong in every way. It divides instead
    of unites, destroys businesses, only hurts the working families that
    serve the community. It makes things worse across the board, not
    better."
    ~ Joe Biden, 8/31/2020

    If Trump was to come down harder on the rioters, then the Democrats would
    say he's a fascist for doing so. Is he supposed to just people people
    riot, loot, murder and bully innocent people?

    Joe Biden has condemned *all* acts of violence. It is time for
    Donald Trump to do the same.

    His "supporters" are defending themselves.

    Two rights do not make a wrong. As Joe Biden noted so clearly
    in his message. Do pay attention.

    I've seen too many videos of "protestors" attacking and accosting people.
    Going up to people who are just out for a meal or a drink, and DEMANDING
    they show fealty to your beliefs is not acceptable.

    Worked for Bull Connor. And his dogs. What we have today is a
    new George Wallace. Only this one is in the White HOuse, rather
    than the Alabama governor's mansion.

    --Lee

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  • From Dennis Katsonis@1:124/5016 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, September 03, 2020 13:02:00
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

    Hello Dennis,

    Donald J. Trump. The man with no balls.

    "He may believe mouthing the words law and order makes him strong,
    but his failure to call on his own supporters to stop acting as an
    armed militia in this country shows you how weak he is."
    ~ Joe Biden, 8/31/2020

    Do you want Trump to use a stronger police force then?

    I want Trump to do his fucking job!

    "The job of a president is to tell it straight from the shoulder, tell
    the truth, to be candid, to face facts, to lead, not to insight. That's why I'm speaking to you today. The incumbant president is incapable of telling us the truth, incapable of facing the facts and incapable of healing. He doesn't want to shed light, he wants to generate heat and
    he's stroking violence in our cities.

    "This is a tragic fact of the matter, how he's dealing with this
    perilous hour in our nation. And now we have to stand against violence
    in every form it takes. Violence we've seen again and again and again,
    of unwarranted police shooting, excessive force, seven bullets in the
    back of Jacob Blake. Knee on the neck of George Floyd, killing of
    Breonna Taylor in her own apartment, violence of extremists and opportunists, right wing militias... And to derail any hope and support for progress, the senseless violence of looting and burning and destruction of property. I want to make it absolutely clear, so I'm
    going to be very clear about all of this, rioting is not protesting. Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting. None of
    this is protesting. It's lawlessness, plain and simple. And those who
    do it should be prosecuted. Violence will not bring change, it will
    only bring destruction. It's wrong in every way. It divides instead
    of unites, destroys businesses, only hurts the working families that
    serve the community. It makes things worse across the board, not
    better."
    ~ Joe Biden, 8/31/2020

    If Trump was to come down harder on the rioters, then the Democrats would
    say he's a fascist for doing so. Is he supposed to just people people
    riot, loot, murder and bully innocent people?

    Joe Biden has condemned *all* acts of violence. It is time for
    Donald Trump to do the same.

    His "supporters" are defending themselves.

    Two rights do not make a wrong. As Joe Biden noted so clearly
    in his message. Do pay attention.

    I've seen too many videos of "protestors" attacking and accosting people.
    Going up to people who are just out for a meal or a drink, and DEMANDING they show fealty to your beliefs is not acceptable.

    Worked for Bull Connor. And his dogs. What we have today is a
    new George Wallace. Only this one is in the White HOuse, rather
    than the Alabama governor's mansion.

    --Lee

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  • From Dennis Katsonis@1:124/5016 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, September 03, 2020 13:07:00
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

    Hello Dennis,

    Donald J. Trump. The man with no balls.

    "He may believe mouthing the words law and order makes him strong,
    but his failure to call on his own supporters to stop acting as an
    armed militia in this country shows you how weak he is."
    ~ Joe Biden, 8/31/2020

    Do you want Trump to use a stronger police force then?

    I want Trump to do his fucking job!

    "The job of a president is to tell it straight from the shoulder, tell
    the truth, to be candid, to face facts, to lead, not to insight. That's why I'm speaking to you today. The incumbant president is incapable of telling us the truth, incapable of facing the facts and incapable of healing. He doesn't want to shed light, he wants to generate heat and
    he's stroking violence in our cities.

    "This is a tragic fact of the matter, how he's dealing with this
    perilous hour in our nation. And now we have to stand against violence
    in every form it takes. Violence we've seen again and again and again,
    of unwarranted police shooting, excessive force, seven bullets in the
    back of Jacob Blake. Knee on the neck of George Floyd, killing of
    Breonna Taylor in her own apartment, violence of extremists and opportunists, right wing militias... And to derail any hope and support for progress, the senseless violence of looting and burning and destruction of property. I want to make it absolutely clear, so I'm
    going to be very clear about all of this, rioting is not protesting. Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting. None of
    this is protesting. It's lawlessness, plain and simple. And those who
    do it should be prosecuted. Violence will not bring change, it will
    only bring destruction. It's wrong in every way. It divides instead
    of unites, destroys businesses, only hurts the working families that
    serve the community. It makes things worse across the board, not
    better."
    ~ Joe Biden, 8/31/2020

    If Trump was to come down harder on the rioters, then the Democrats would
    say he's a fascist for doing so. Is he supposed to just people people
    riot, loot, murder and bully innocent people?

    Joe Biden has condemned *all* acts of violence. It is time for
    Donald Trump to do the same.

    His "supporters" are defending themselves.

    Two rights do not make a wrong. As Joe Biden noted so clearly
    in his message. Do pay attention.

    I've seen too many videos of "protestors" attacking and accosting people.
    Going up to people who are just out for a meal or a drink, and DEMANDING they show fealty to your beliefs is not acceptable.

    Worked for Bull Connor. And his dogs. What we have today is a
    new George Wallace. Only this one is in the White HOuse, rather
    than the Alabama governor's mansion.

    --Lee

    What we are seeing in the USA is the emergence of a new, totalitarian belief system, disguisnig itself as being for justice. IT is a time old pattern, where the new moral order proclaims itself as being for justice, fairness, while it bullies people into submission. Cancel culture is the most evident manifestation of this insidious ideology.

    Rioting is not protesting, I agree, but Biden's missing the point here. They are NOT trying to protest. They are trying to exercise power over others. The Democrats will never admit this, because too many in the party (perhaps not Biden, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt), don't have an issue with this new emerging cultural fascism.

    This isn't about George Floyd. This is about an ideology that has been percolating for years, and is now seizing this opportunity to suppress and bully.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dennis Katsonis on Thursday, September 03, 2020 20:12:27
    Hello Dennis,

    Donald J. Trump. The man with no balls.

    "He may believe mouthing the words law and order makes him strong, >>LL>but his failure to call on his own supporters to stop acting as an >>LL>armed militia in this country shows you how weak he is."
    ~ Joe Biden, 8/31/2020

    Do you want Trump to use a stronger police force then?

    I want Trump to do his fucking job!

    "The job of a president is to tell it straight from the shoulder, tell >LL> the truth, to be candid, to face facts, to lead, not to insight. That's >LL> why I'm speaking to you today. The incumbant president is incapable of >LL> telling us the truth, incapable of facing the facts and incapable of
    healing. He doesn't want to shed light, he wants to generate heat and
    he's stroking violence in our cities.

    "This is a tragic fact of the matter, how he's dealing with this
    perilous hour in our nation. And now we have to stand against violence >LL> in every form it takes. Violence we've seen again and again and again, >LL> of unwarranted police shooting, excessive force, seven bullets in the
    back of Jacob Blake. Knee on the neck of George Floyd, killing of
    Breonna Taylor in her own apartment, violence of extremists and
    opportunists, right wing militias... And to derail any hope and support >LL> for progress, the senseless violence of looting and burning and
    destruction of property. I want to make it absolutely clear, so I'm
    going to be very clear about all of this, rioting is not protesting.
    Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting. None of
    this is protesting. It's lawlessness, plain and simple. And those who
    do it should be prosecuted. Violence will not bring change, it will
    only bring destruction. It's wrong in every way. It divides instead
    of unites, destroys businesses, only hurts the working families that
    serve the community. It makes things worse across the board, not
    better."
    ~ Joe Biden, 8/31/2020

    If Trump was to come down harder on the rioters, then the Democrats would >>say he's a fascist for doing so. Is he supposed to just people people >>riot, loot, murder and bully innocent people?

    Joe Biden has condemned *all* acts of violence. It is time for
    Donald Trump to do the same.

    His "supporters" are defending themselves.

    Two rights do not make a wrong. As Joe Biden noted so clearly
    in his message. Do pay attention.

    Two wrongs do not make a right. Caught you sleeping. :)

    I've seen too many videos of "protestors" attacking and accosting people. >>Going up to people who are just out for a meal or a drink, and DEMANDING >>they show fealty to your beliefs is not acceptable.

    Worked for Bull Connor. And his dogs. What we have today is a
    new George Wallace. Only this one is in the White HOuse, rather
    than the Alabama governor's mansion.

    What we are seeing in the USA is the emergence of a new, totalitarian belief
    system, disguisnig itself as being for justice.

    This is nothing new. George Wallace did the same in Alabama.
    Lester Maddox did the same in Georgia. Other governors did the
    same in other states.

    There were times when fascism did occur on a national level in
    this country. But nothing on the level as it is today.

    IT is a time old pattern, where the new moral order proclaims itself as
    being for justice, fairness, while it bullies people into submission.
    Cancel culture is the most evident manifestation of this insidious
    ideology.

    There is nothing moral about fascism. It can be disguised in many
    ways, even with a smile. But there is nothing moral about it.

    Rioting is not protesting, I agree, but Biden's missing the point here.

    Rioting is an act of violencce. Biden condemned all acts of violence.
    That includes rioting. Do pay attention.

    They are NOT trying to protest.

    And Biden condemned all who committed acts of violence. Including
    those who pretend to protest by commmitting acts of violence. You
    really do need to pay attention.

    They are trying to exercise power over others.

    By committing acts of violence, which Biden condemned.
    It really isn't that hard to understand. Do pay attention
    to what the man said.

    The Democrats will never admit this,

    Biden did. Quite loudly. For all to hear. But you weren't listening.
    Or bothering to pay attention.

    because too many in the party (perhaps not Biden, I'll give him the benefit
    of the doubt),

    What doubt? I quoted his own words, verboten. Nobody in his party
    disagreed with anything he said. And many Republicans and Independents
    also agreed with his comments. Especially his comments condemning all
    acts of violence.

    don't have an issue with this new emerging cultural fascism.

    The vast majority of people in this country have a real issue
    with Trump's fascist ideology, and want him and his cronies to go
    away. Problem is, after he loses the election (assuming there is
    an election) his army of Trumpers might decide to burn the entire
    country, proclaiming "Trump is always right!"

    This isn't about George Floyd. This is about an ideology that has been
    percolating for years, and is now seizing this opportunity to suppress and bully.

    Trump is not the cause, but the symptom. Biden is the anti-Trump,
    but not the solution to all this country's problems.

    It will take more, much more, to cure America of its sickness.

    --Lee

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  • From Dennis Katsonis@1:124/5016 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, September 04, 2020 12:02:00
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

    Hello Dennis,

    Donald J. Trump. The man with no balls.

    "He may believe mouthing the words law and order makes him strong,
    but his failure to call on his own supporters to stop acting as an
    armed militia in this country shows you how weak he is."
    ~ Joe Biden, 8/31/2020

    Do you want Trump to use a stronger police force then?

    I want Trump to do his fucking job!

    "The job of a president is to tell it straight from the shoulder, tell
    the truth, to be candid, to face facts, to lead, not to insight. That's
    why I'm speaking to you today. The incumbant president is incapable of
    telling us the truth, incapable of facing the facts and incapable of
    healing. He doesn't want to shed light, he wants to generate heat and
    he's stroking violence in our cities.

    "This is a tragic fact of the matter, how he's dealing with this
    perilous hour in our nation. And now we have to stand against violence
    in every form it takes. Violence we've seen again and again and again,
    of unwarranted police shooting, excessive force, seven bullets in the
    back of Jacob Blake. Knee on the neck of George Floyd, killing of
    Breonna Taylor in her own apartment, violence of extremists and
    opportunists, right wing militias... And to derail any hope and support
    for progress, the senseless violence of looting and burning and
    destruction of property. I want to make it absolutely clear, so I'm
    going to be very clear about all of this, rioting is not protesting.
    Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting. None of
    this is protesting. It's lawlessness, plain and simple. And those who
    do it should be prosecuted. Violence will not bring change, it will
    only bring destruction. It's wrong in every way. It divides instead
    of unites, destroys businesses, only hurts the working families that
    serve the community. It makes things worse across the board, not
    better."
    ~ Joe Biden, 8/31/2020

    If Trump was to come down harder on the rioters, then the Democrats would
    say he's a fascist for doing so. Is he supposed to just people people
    riot, loot, murder and bully innocent people?

    Joe Biden has condemned *all* acts of violence. It is time for
    Donald Trump to do the same.


    This is why Trump may (I think likely), will win. EVERYONE normally condemns violence. I remember seeing a billboard from a local council saying "(council) stands against domestic violence", or something like that. Well gee! Thanks for clearing that up local council! You know, up until know, I wasn't sure whether they were for or against domestic violence, but now that they cleared it up for me, I'm no longer guessing! It's like when people say they are against rape, or racism, or whatever. Who is FOR it????

    It's a easy cop out, and not what I want to see from a politician.

    By the way, I'm not being facetious. Statements likes "violence of extremists" and "rioting is not protesting. Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting" are all well and good, but DUH!. Who is FOR violence? Some of the far left faction are legitimising riots and theft.

    What is my problem here you may be wondering? Bidin SPECIFICALLY mentioned "right wing militias" and the killing of Jacob Blake and George Floyd, but kept everything else unnamed and vague. I'm not going to get into "whatabouttisms" here, but there are specific examples you can refer to on BOTH sides, but he didn't do that. He pointed out specific problems supposedly caused by the right and "racists", and nothing else.

    As is his right to do so. But everyone is "against violence". So is Trump. So what? It means nothing. Why bother even saying it? Is your country so far gone that we can no longer ASSUME that you are against lawless rioting?


    What means something is being specific. Telling us exactly WHAT you believe the problem is. How you are going to solve it. And here is where he is lacking.

    His message is empty. Now Trump isn't much better, I'll give you that, but there is no chance that Biden is going to resolve this violence and creeping fascistic religion by empty motherhood statements. Obama spoke like that, and the situation worsened under his watch. Biden is an empty shell, probably just there so the people who hold real power can work while America thinks that Biden has any sway. Poor guy probably has no idea what is occuring under him.

    Now, if Biden was to be able to talk about specifically what is leading to violence, what is justifying it, why people are resorting to violence, if he actually named any of the violent groups, put them on notice, then I would pay attention.


    His "supporters" are defending themselves.

    Two rights do not make a wrong. As Joe Biden noted so clearly
    in his message. Do pay attention.

    Two wrongs do not make a right. Caught you sleeping. :)

    I've seen too many videos of "protestors" attacking and accosting people.
    Going up to people who are just out for a meal or a drink, and DEMANDING
    they show fealty to your beliefs is not acceptable.

    Worked for Bull Connor. And his dogs. What we have today is a
    new George Wallace. Only this one is in the White HOuse, rather
    than the Alabama governor's mansion.

    What we are seeing in the USA is the emergence of a new, totalitarian belief
    system, disguisnig itself as being for justice.

    This is nothing new. George Wallace did the same in Alabama.
    Lester Maddox did the same in Georgia. Other governors did the
    same in other states.

    There were times when fascism did occur on a national level in
    this country. But nothing on the level as it is today.

    IT is a time old pattern, where the new moral order proclaims itself as
    being for justice, fairness, while it bullies people into submission.
    Cancel culture is the most evident manifestation of this insidious
    ideology.

    There is nothing moral about fascism. It can be disguised in many
    ways, even with a smile. But there is nothing moral about it.

    Rioting is not protesting, I agree, but Biden's missing the point here.

    Rioting is an act of violencce. Biden condemned all acts of violence.
    That includes rioting. Do pay attention.

    They are NOT trying to protest.

    And Biden condemned all who committed acts of violence. Including
    those who pretend to protest by commmitting acts of violence. You
    really do need to pay attention.

    They are trying to exercise power over others.

    By committing acts of violence, which Biden condemned.
    It really isn't that hard to understand. Do pay attention
    to what the man said.

    I read it multiple times.

    The Democrats will never admit this,

    Biden did. Quite loudly. For all to hear. But you weren't listening.
    Or bothering to pay attention.

    because too many in the party (perhaps not Biden, I'll give him the benefit
    of the doubt),

    What doubt? I quoted his own words, verboten. Nobody in his party disagreed with anything he said. And many Republicans and Independents also agreed with his comments. Especially his comments condemning all
    acts of violence.

    And I read them. Biden is against violence, as is EVERYONE. Hell, even "far right" parties in Europe say this. When I read, I don't just look to see if particular words are present, I analyse context and meaning, and the IDEAS.

    don't have an issue with this new emerging cultural fascism.

    The vast majority of people in this country have a real issue
    with Trump's fascist ideology, and want him and his cronies to go
    away. Problem is, after he loses the election (assuming there is
    an election) his army of Trumpers might decide to burn the entire
    country, proclaiming "Trump is always right!"

    Both sides are preparing to do that, with Trump supporters probably being LESS of a worry. Wake up and smell the coffee man.

    By the way, I think it more likely that Trump will win.

    Lastly, if you seriously believe that people wearing MAGA hats are fascist, you are lost. You are the reason that Trump will win. Large companies are seeking to influence the election, Big Tech is trying to shape our thoughts, censor speech, people are being fired just because they aren't Politically Correct, Academics are being mobbed by SJW's because their research or ideas doesn't conform, large companies will make your employment conditional on your 'values'. And you don't see this as a problem? Honestly man, I've seen this first hand, MULTIPLE TIMES. People claiming to be BLM protesters are en masse harrassing people and pushing them to follow their ideology, and you no problem? You see no problem that conservatives are worried about expressing publicly who they will vote for because of retribution?


    You really are the living epitome of someone pointing out the mote in someone elses eye, while neglecting the plank in yours.

    Fascist is as fascist does. Antifa are fascist. The far left are facist.

    I don't care if you hate the opinions of the right. I don't care if you have different political opinions to me, which you clearly do. I can respect someone highly even if they have contrary political opinions and think mine are distasteful. But your problem isn't your Left wing opinions, it your blindless to the realities of what is going on.

    Quite simply, have a look at who is cancelling whom. Who is mobbing whom. Who is getting fired for what. What agenda large corporations are pushing. What political affiliated get you "cancelled". Forget the ideology about people for a moment, and just look at the ACTIONS.

    If you look at the ACTIONS of people, you'll realise why when I say "fascist is as fascist does", that I think the regressive left is the biggest threat.

    This isn't about George Floyd. This is about an ideology that has been
    percolating for years, and is now seizing this opportunity to suppress and bully.

    Trump is not the cause, but the symptom. Biden is the anti-Trump,
    but not the solution to all this country's problems.

    It will take more, much more, to cure America of its sickness.

    This I agree with. The elephant in the room is the fact that so many Americans are now intellectually and emotionally children, with stupid ideologies, behaving in awful ways. Those "protesting" are the epitome of this.

    America needs adults. It needs people who will say "NO" to cancel culture, to infantile politics, who will bring big business and big tech back in check and limit their influence. It needs ADULTS who will restore reason, due process, the right of free speech, the right to express an opinion and not be attacked, academic freedom. It needs stronger workers rights so you CAN'T get sacked just because someone complained about a tweet you made. It needs a cultural rebirth.

    Trump won't bring that about. Your country is toast.

    I can recommend this article

    https://www.declineoftheempire.com/2020/06/a-clear-and-present-danger.html


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Dennis Katsonis on Friday, September 04, 2020 02:45:14
    On 09-04-20 12:02, Dennis Katsonis <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Weakling <=-


    As is his right to do so. But everyone is "against
    violence". So is Trump.

    Except that Trump has done a lot to incite and encourage violence. Why
    is that?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dennis Katsonis@1:124/5016 to Dale Shipp on Friday, September 04, 2020 20:07:00
    Dale Shipp wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

    On 09-04-20 12:02, Dennis Katsonis <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Weakling <=-


    As is his right to do so. But everyone is "against
    violence". So is Trump.

    Except that Trump has done a lot to incite and encourage violence. Why
    is that?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)

    The people responsible for violence are those arguing that minor social faux pas, and other trival facts are actually evidence of major structural problems and oppression. This gives people licence to riot, to cancel people.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, September 05, 2020 09:43:13
    On 04 Sep 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    As is his right to do so. But everyone is "against
    violence". So is Trump.

    Except that Trump has done a lot to incite and encourage violence. Why
    is that?

    So you have said, ok?

    What has Trump done to incite and encourage violence?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, September 06, 2020 01:08:02
    On 09-05-20 09:43, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Weakling <=-

    As is his right to do so. But everyone is "against
    violence". So is Trump.

    Except that Trump has done a lot to incite and encourage violence. Why
    is that?

    So you have said, ok?

    What has Trump done to incite and encourage violence?

    He supported the neo-nazis at Charlottesville. He cheered on that
    caravan of his supporters who came to Portland shooting paintballs at
    BLM protesters. At his rallies he repeatedly invited his supporters to
    beat up protesters. He gave support to Rittenhouse who shot three
    protesters in Kenosha. He sent troopers into Portland, armed to the
    teeth, which only resulted in stirring up the flames. At a political
    rally in Montana he praised the assault of a Republican who body slammed
    a reporter. There are many more examples. It is common behavior by
    him.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dennis Katsonis on Sunday, September 06, 2020 20:10:36
    Hello Dennis,

    [..]

    Forget the ideology about people for a moment, and just look at the ACTIONS.

    Really?

    If you look at the ACTIONS of people, you'll realise why when I say "fascist
    is as fascist does", that I think the regressive left is the biggest
    threat.

    "Trumpism is a fascistic enterprise. It stands apart from and is
    antithetical to American values. Trumpism will not yield and retreat
    when faced with passive denial around what it clearly is. Trumpism has
    long teemed with menace and violence. Trump has encouraged the violence
    and celebrated it. He has legitimized it in tandem with his apologists, accomplices and enablers. They have collectively poisoned the country
    with a toxic media stew of Conspiracy, propaganda, lies, grievance,
    malice, nationalism and racial animus.

    A 17 year old was radicalized by Trumpism. He drove to Wisconsin and
    became a killer. He is celebrated today as some type of martyr across
    the the airwaves of extreme media. Who will he inspire next? Trump is
    fomenting chaos and violence in the name of law and order.
    A President’s duty is to calm the boiling passions of the moment as
    they yield to a new understanding of American justice and inclusion
    under the idea that in this land we are all created equal and that
    the promise of the country must be for everybody. Trump is inciting
    Americans against each other in the name of expanding his power. It
    isn’t just cynical, it is evil."
    ~ Steve Schmidt, former Republican and proud of it, 9/3/2020

    Seems like Republicans disagree with your POV, along with Democrats
    and Independents. Gonna be a fun night on Tuesday, November 3.

    --Lee

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  • From Dennis Katsonis@1:124/5016 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, September 07, 2020 10:08:00
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

    Hello Dennis,

    [..]

    Forget the ideology about people for a moment, and just look at the ACTIONS.

    Really?

    If you look at the ACTIONS of people, you'll realise why when I say "fascist
    is as fascist does", that I think the regressive left is the biggest
    threat.

    "Trumpism is a fascistic enterprise. It stands apart from and is antithetical to American values. Trumpism will not yield and retreat
    when faced with passive denial around what it clearly is. Trumpism has long teemed with menace and violence. Trump has encouraged the violence and celebrated it. He has legitimized it in tandem with his apologists, accomplices and enablers. They have collectively poisoned the country
    with a toxic media stew of Conspiracy, propaganda, lies, grievance, malice, nationalism and racial animus.

    A 17 year old was radicalized by Trumpism. He drove to Wisconsin and became a killer. He is celebrated today as some type of martyr across
    the the airwaves of extreme media. Who will he inspire next? Trump is fomenting chaos and violence in the name of law and order.
    A President's duty is to calm the boiling passions of the moment as
    they yield to a new understanding of American justice and inclusion
    under the idea that in this land we are all created equal and that
    the promise of the country must be for everybody. Trump is inciting Americans against each other in the name of expanding his power. It
    isn't just cynical, it is evil."
    ~ Steve Schmidt, former Republican and proud of it, 9/3/2020

    Seems like Republicans disagree with your POV, along with Democrats
    and Independents. Gonna be a fun night on Tuesday, November 3.

    --Lee

    To be honest, I don't care what the Republican party thinks, and why you do is beyond me. Up until 2016, when the Democratic party thought that Hillary would be a good president, I would have (if I was a US citizen) not wanted to vote Republican. I'm not a US citizen, but I'm just saying, that if I was in the US, I couldn't have voted for the party of McCain or Romney, and I would have preferred to see them lose. The Republican party doesn't represent the interests of working Americans, it hasn't for a long time. Pooh to them I say!

    Must be desperate if we are referring to the opinions of Republican party hacks now.

    What is Trumpism anyway?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dennis Katsonis on Monday, September 07, 2020 16:07:11
    Hello Dennis,

    [..]

    "Trumpism is a fascistic enterprise. It stands apart from and is >LL>antithetical to American values. Trumpism will not yield and retreat

    [..]

    the promise of the country must be for everybody. Trump is inciting >LL>Americans against each other in the name of expanding his power. It >LL>isn't just cynical, it is evil."
    ~ Steve Schmidt, former Republican and proud of it, 9/3/2020

    Seems like Republicans disagree with your POV, along with Democrats
    and Independents. Gonna be a fun night on Tuesday, November 3.

    To be honest, I don't care what the Republican party thinks, and why you do
    is beyond me.

    Steve Schmidt is a former Republican, having left the party in 2018.
    He is the person who ran John McCain's campaign for president in 2008.
    Today he is an Independent, as many other Republicans have also left
    the party. I am not affiliated with any political party, and choose
    to remain so.

    Up until 2016, when the Democratic party thought that Hillary would be a
    good president, I would have (if I was a US citizen) not wanted to vote Republican.

    Although some Democrats did vote for Trump in 2016, many of those
    same Democrats regret having done so. Will they vote for Biden? Or
    will they choose not to vote at all? That is the question.

    As for Republicans, their Republican Party no longer exists. Today
    it has become nothing more than a polite fiction. What Republicans are
    voting for is dictatorship under Trump & Co.

    I'm not a US citizen, but I'm just saying, that if I was in the US, I
    couldn't have voted for the party of McCain or Romney, and I would have preferred to see them lose.

    You got your wish in 2008, when Barack Obama won.
    And again in 2012, when Barack Obama did it a second time.

    The Republican party doesn't represent the interests of working Americans,
    it hasn't for a long time.

    Republicans holding office represent the interests of Donald Trump,
    not the interests of the American people.

    Pooh to them I say!

    And those who continue to support them.

    Must be desperate if we are referring to the opinions of Republican party
    hacks now.

    Steve Schmidt is not a Republican. After he left the party, he
    decided to have some fun, founding The Lincoln Project.

    Republican party hacks hate him for that. So does Donald Trump.

    What is Trumpism anyway?

    A death cult.

    --Lee

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    Food for the Fun of It

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, September 07, 2020 23:17:36
    it has become nothing more than a polite fiction. What Republicans are voting for is dictatorship under Trump & Co.

    We're voting for Trump policy. It's not a dictatorship. The Republican party is a lot more united than you want it to be. Nobody has argued with Trump's policy or actions, from our end, with the exception of 2 immature idiots who feel hurt because they lost their elections.

    I was proud to hear George W. Bush say that reports of him endorsing Biden were completely false. I bet that even Jeb Bush will at least vote for Trump. No living Republican (except for Mitt) is endorsing Biden. At least not any living federal Republicans.

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  • From Dennis Katsonis@1:124/5016 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, September 08, 2020 09:16:00
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

    Hello Dennis,

    [..]

    "Trumpism is a fascistic enterprise. It stands apart from and is
    antithetical to American values. Trumpism will not yield and retreat

    [..]

    the promise of the country must be for everybody. Trump is inciting
    Americans against each other in the name of expanding his power. It
    isn't just cynical, it is evil."
    ~ Steve Schmidt, former Republican and proud of it, 9/3/2020

    Seems like Republicans disagree with your POV, along with Democrats
    and Independents. Gonna be a fun night on Tuesday, November 3.

    To be honest, I don't care what the Republican party thinks, and why you do
    is beyond me.

    Steve Schmidt is a former Republican, having left the party in 2018.
    He is the person who ran John McCain's campaign for president in 2008. Today he is an Independent, as many other Republicans have also left
    the party. I am not affiliated with any political party, and choose
    to remain so.

    Well there you go, someone who thought McCain would be a good president! Would you in 10 years time, old highly the opinion of someone who ran Trumps campaign?

    He's changed his views maybe, I don't know. I don't really care, its one opinion and I don't know what his motives are. If we are talking of a politician here, the motives are likely self-serving.

    Up until 2016, when the Democratic party thought that Hillary would be a
    good president, I would have (if I was a US citizen) not wanted to vote Republican.

    Although some Democrats did vote for Trump in 2016, many of those
    same Democrats regret having done so. Will they vote for Biden? Or
    will they choose not to vote at all? That is the question.

    As for Republicans, their Republican Party no longer exists. Today
    it has become nothing more than a polite fiction. What Republicans are voting for is dictatorship under Trump & Co.

    I agree it has changed dramatically. I can't see the dictatorship though. You know, here in Melbourne, Australia, we are subject to curfews and the harshest lockdown. We don't have constitutional freedom of speech, or the same right to bear arms. People go on and on about this fascistic dictatorship, but I can't see what rights and freedoms you have actually LOST. What freedom has Trump taken from you that you had under Obama?

    The only thing I see is that you are less free to hold an opinion which contradicts orthodoxy, but I don't see Trump destroying the lives of people who hold these opinions, but others. I see Big Tech censorship, companies firing people, cancel culture, things which affect the population at large. Please enlightenment how Trump is limiting your movement speech or action?


    I'm not a US citizen, but I'm just saying, that if I was in the US, I
    couldn't have voted for the party of McCain or Romney, and I would have preferred to see them lose.

    You got your wish in 2008, when Barack Obama won.
    And again in 2012, when Barack Obama did it a second time.

    I didn't wish for Obama to win, as I'm not a US citizen it doesn't affect me to greatly. Also, not wanting one candidate to win doesn't mean you wish the other would. If I was a voter, I would have preferred a candidate who is a cross between Nader and Buchanan, perhaps more Nader than Buchanan. But McCain was in my mind unfit and dangerous.

    The Republican party doesn't represent the interests of working Americans,
    it hasn't for a long time.

    Republicans holding office represent the interests of Donald Trump,
    not the interests of the American people.

    Both parties act in a self-serving manner.

    Pooh to them I say!

    And those who continue to support them.

    Must be desperate if we are referring to the opinions of Republican party
    hacks now.

    Steve Schmidt is not a Republican. After he left the party, he
    decided to have some fun, founding The Lincoln Project.

    Republican party hacks hate him for that. So does Donald Trump.

    What is Trumpism anyway?

    A death cult.

    You guys are worked up over very little and seem to be overreacting. He's boorish, but not a disaster. I keep in touch with a few people in the USA, and none of them have noted any new fascistic laws or impositions from the government.

    I mean, seriously, you are posting here, under your REAL name, calling Trump a leader of a death cult, a fascist, that he needs to go, and are free to do so without consequence. AS IS EVERYONE ELSE. If you really WERE living under a fascist regime, you would dissapear, or suddenly find yourself imposed upon, or be threatened, or your family threatened, or as happened in Communist Russia, if you were lucky, only moved to a crapper job or lost your residence. None of that is happening. It is ONLY the Cancel Culture mob doing that. For that reason, I call BS on your claim.

    Get a grip.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dennis Katsonis on Tuesday, September 08, 2020 11:18:01
    I mean, seriously, you are posting here, under your REAL name, calling Trum leader of a death cult, a fascist, that he needs to go, and are free to do without consequence. AS IS EVERYONE ELSE. If you really WERE living under fascist regime, you would dissapear, or suddenly find yourself imposed upon be threatened, or your family threatened, or as happened in Communist Russi if you were lucky, only moved to a crapper job or lost your residence. Non that is happening. It is ONLY the Cancel Culture mob doing that. For that reason, I call BS on your claim.

    Awesome! Clearly thought out & well said. People in the USA are spoiled and derranged. If you're ever buying a gift for an American, make sure it's PERFECT because if not they will cry about minor details :)

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Dennis Katsonis on Tuesday, September 08, 2020 14:29:28
    You guys are worked up over very little and seem to be overreacting. He's boorish, but not a disaster.

    Donald Trump's administration is a disaster.

    I keep in touch with a few people in the USA, and none of them have noted any new fascistic laws or impositions from the government.

    There is a new secret police working in the USA today. They do not identify themselves and simply wisk poeple away. This is fascistic and against American law and the constitution.

    Donald Trump claims that crime/murder rates in cities where these police have been deployed has been lowered but like so much of what Donald Trump says the facts tell a different story.

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  • From Dennis Katsonis@1:124/5016 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 08:49:00
    Alan Ianson wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

    You guys are worked up over very little and seem to be overreacting. He's boorish, but not a disaster.

    Donald Trump's administration is a disaster.

    I keep in touch with a few people in the USA, and none of them have noted
    any
    new fascistic laws or impositions from the government.

    There is a new secret police working in the USA today. They do not identify themselves and simply wisk poeple away. This is fascistic and against American law and the constitution.

    Donald Trump claims that crime/murder rates in cities where these
    police have been deployed has been lowered but like so much of what
    Donald Trump says the facts tell a different story.

    I've heard about vans whisking people away, but not much more than rumours. I've heard a lot of rumours, about Trump supposedly removing mailboxes, which turned out not to be what is claimed.

    Who has dissappeared?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 02:10:50
    Hello Aaron,

    it has become nothing more than a polite fiction. What Republicans are >LL>voting for is dictatorship under Trump & Co.

    We're voting for Trump policy.

    Trumpers are not voting for Trump due to whatever "policy" he has,
    as he has no policy.

    It's not a dictatorship.

    I call it Trumpism rather than dictatorship. A dictatorship is more
    like government by committee. Trumpism is more like "do as I say" -
    regardless of what I do.

    The Republican party is a lot more united than you want it to be.

    Those who have aligned themselves with Trump are more united than
    any party has been. That is not the same as the Republican Party being
    more united. Far from it. Many have broken away and are now Independent
    or remain Republican in name only.

    Nobody has argued with Trump's policy or actions,

    George Will, Steve Schmidt, Mitt Romney, a whole slew of others ...

    from our end, with the exception of 2 immature idiots who feel hurt because
    they lost their elections.

    It is a lot more than that, including Pulitzer-winning authors.

    I was proud to hear George W. Bush say that reports of him endorsing Biden
    were completely false.

    It would be surprising to find any former Republican president to
    endorse a Democrat for president. But no surprise at all that GWB
    refused to endorse Trump for a second term.

    I bet that even Jeb Bush will at least vote for Trump.

    I seriously doubt it. Especially since many who worked on the
    Bush campaign are now actively working on the Biden campaign.

    No living Republican (except for Mitt) is endorsing Biden.

    Like I said, it would be surprising if any former Republican
    preident would endorse a Demcorat for president. Just as it would
    be surprising if any former Democrat president would endorse a
    Republican for president.

    But for a former Republican president, such as George W. Bush,
    not to endorse a sitting Republican president. That has got to
    hurt. Bigly.

    At least not any living federal Republicans.

    I am sure George H.W. Bush would have done the same as GWB
    had he still been alive.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dennis Katsonis on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 02:12:50
    Hello Dennis,

    [..]

    Steve Schmidt is a former Republican, having left the party in 2018.
    He is the person who ran John McCain's campaign for president in 2008. >LL>Today he is an Independent, as many other Republicans have also left >LL>the party. I am not affiliated with any political party, and choose
    to remain so.

    Well there you go, someone who thought McCain would be a good president!

    There is absolutely no doubt he would have been a far better president
    than what we have sitting in the White House today.

    Would you in 10 years time, old highly the opinion of someone who ran Trumps
    campaign?

    Which one? Two of them went to jail, and the third one quit and
    is awaiting trial.

    He's changed his views maybe, I don't know.

    Steve Schmidt is the same Steve Schmidt he has always been.

    I don't really care, its one opinion and I don't know what his motives are.

    One of his motives is to get rid of Trump.

    If we are talking of a politician here, the motives are likely self-serving.

    Trump is a politician. Schmidt is not.

    Up until 2016, when the Democratic party thought that Hillary would be a >>good president, I would have (if I was a US citizen) not wanted to vote >>Republican.

    Although some Democrats did vote for Trump in 2016, many of those
    same Democrats regret having done so. Will they vote for Biden? Or
    will they choose not to vote at all? That is the question.

    As for Republicans, their Republican Party no longer exists. Today
    it has become nothing more than a polite fiction. What Republicans are >LL>voting for is dictatorship under Trump & Co.

    I agree it has changed dramatically. I can't see the dictatorship though.

    Authoritarianism = Dictatorship

    You know, here in Melbourne, Australia, we are subject to curfews and the
    harshest lockdown.

    The governors of several states in the USA, including Louisiana,
    issued mandatory curfews and harsh lockdowns as the pandemic is a
    public health issue.

    We don't have constitutional freedom of speech, or the same right to bear
    arms.

    Australians have similar rights. Not the same, but similar.

    People go on and on about this fascistic dictatorship, but I can't see what
    rights and freedoms you have actually LOST.

    The thing about fascism is one never notices until it hits you
    in the face. Look at fascism as a form of weakened democracy.
    Once a democracy has been weakened to the point where it no longer
    matters, it is no longer a democracy but something else. And we
    all know that power cannot exist in a vacuum.

    What freedom has Trump taken from you that you had under Obama?

    Where's the check? With no check, Trump can in effect rule by decree.

    The only thing I see is that you are less free to hold an opinion which >contradicts orthodoxy, but I don't see Trump destroying the lives of people
    who hold these opinions, but others. I see Big Tech censorship, companies firing people, cancel culture, things which affect the population at large.
    Please enlightenment how Trump is limiting your movement speech or action?

    Earlier this year, by presidential proclamation, Trump told the world
    who could, and could not, travel to the USA. He did not need approval
    from anybody else. Not his cabinet. Not the Congress. Not the American
    people. Not the UN. He acted on his own.

    Those presidential proclamations remain in effect today. Unchallenged.

    So yes, my Australian friend. Trump is very much limiting your movement
    speech or action. In every which way he wants and can.

    I'm not a US citizen, but I'm just saying, that if I was in the US, I >>couldn't have voted for the party of McCain or Romney, and I would have >>preferred to see them lose.

    You got your wish in 2008, when Barack Obama won.
    And again in 2012, when Barack Obama did it a second time.

    I didn't wish for Obama to win, as I'm not a US citizen it doesn't affect me
    to greatly. Also, not wanting one candidate to win doesn't mean you wish
    the
    other would. If I was a voter, I would have preferred a candidate who is a >cross between Nader and Buchanan, perhaps more Nader than Buchanan. But
    McCain was in my mind unfit and dangerous.

    Steve Schmidt was McCain's campaign manager in 2008. Schmidt is a
    political consultant, John McCain his client at the time. Sometimes
    your client wins, sometimes not. It is the nature of the game.

    The Republican party doesn't represent the interests of working Americans, >>it hasn't for a long time.

    Republicans holding office represent the interests of Donald Trump,
    not the interests of the American people.

    Both parties act in a self-serving manner.

    One more time. The Republican Party exists no more as a viable
    political party. It has been taken over by Donald Trump.

    Pooh to them I say!

    And those who continue to support them.

    Must be desperate if we are referring to the opinions of Republican party >>hacks now.

    Steve Schmidt is not a Republican. After he left the party, he
    decided to have some fun, founding The Lincoln Project.

    Republican party hacks hate him for that. So does Donald Trump.

    What is Trumpism anyway?

    A death cult.

    You guys are worked up over very little and seem to be overreacting. He's >boorish, but not a disaster. I keep in touch with a few people in the USA,
    and none of them have noted any new fascistic laws or impositions from the
    government.

    Nobody objected when Adolf Hitler did the same thing in Germany.
    Until it was too late. That is the problem with fascism. Nobody
    notices what it is until it is too late. Weakened democracy. That
    is my definition of fascism. What is yours?

    I mean, seriously, you are posting here, under your REAL name, calling Trump
    a leader of a death cult, a fascist, that he needs to go, and are free to
    do so without consequence.

    One more time. I said Trump is the symptom. Not the disease.
    Do keep up.

    AS IS EVERYONE ELSE.

    Hitler asked the world to take in Germany's Jews. The world refused.
    So Hitler sent the Jews to work camps. So they could all make money for
    the Reich. Unfortunately, they did not work hard enough to enjoy their long-deserved reward ...

    If you really WERE living under a fascist regime, you would dissapear, or
    suddenly find yourself imposed upon, or be threatened, or your family threatened, or as happened in Communist Russia, if you were lucky, only
    moved to a crapper job or lost your residence.

    Oh, come now. Everybody knows Hitler hated Commies. And Jews.
    And gays. And blacks. And just about everybody else who wasn't
    German or Aryan. Especially those who were mental. No telling
    what he did with those who were mental ...

    None of that is happening. It is ONLY the Cancel Culture mob doing that.
    For that reason, I call BS on your claim.

    Hitler never conceded. Had to be forced out of office. By an
    invasion of Russkies. But he made sure no secrets would be spilled.
    First thing he did was to off his beloved German Shepherd "Blondie"
    with a pill. Then give his girlfriend a shot. Next step on board
    a Geman U-boat headed straight for South America.

    Some claim he is still alive and well.

    Get a grip.

    Well, you never know. Germans did have very good doctors ...

    --Lee

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Dennis Katsonis on Tuesday, September 08, 2020 16:29:02
    I've heard about vans whisking people away, but not much more than rumours.

    It's not a rumour, I have seen video of these police doing this.

    I've heard a lot of rumours, about Trump supposedly removing mailboxes, which turned out not to be what is claimed.

    The USPS under Donald Trumps newly installed crony has removed sorting machines
    and and stopped overtime and these actions have resulted in a slowdown of postal service. Many in the US get their prescriptions by mail and they have not been getting them delivered on time.

    Mailboxes have been removed because it is said they are no longed needed.

    Who has dissappeared?

    I don't know or think anyone has dissapeared. Being a new and secret police not
    much is known about them currently.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 00:30:39
    We're voting for Trump policy.

    Trumpers are not voting for Trump due to whatever "policy" he has,
    as he has no policy.

    How could you actually know what a Trump supporter is voting for? I couldn't tell you what Biden voters are voting for unless you count vagueness.

    I think Joe's gonna lose the debates, just like Hillary did, for the same reason as Hillary (vagueness.)

    There comes a time when you need to stop supporting dying candidates; they are just being parasites to you, while you should be focusing on finding other elections that are more winnable.

    You must have congress members up for election this year - tell us about them. Do they have any good policy proposals? Are they reaslistic? Are you more comfortable with your Democratic candidate(s) or your Republican one(s)?

    Trump's reign can only last 4 more years - that's nothing. Try living with a horrible governor for like mine for 9 years already. Nothing I can do about that. King Cuomo is the crusty old piece of toilet paper that won't fall off, but instead of cry about it, I focus on positive things; my district's US Rep candidate is doing a better job in her campaign this year - so I'm sorta pleased with her even though she sucks.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 00:37:38
    I don't know or think anyone has dissapeared. Being a new and secret police not much is known about them currently.

    That sounds like science fiction. Which news station is pushing that garbage story?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, September 08, 2020 22:03:50
    I don't know or think anyone has dissapeared. Being a new and secret police >> not much is known about them currently.

    That sounds like science fiction. Which news station is pushing that garbage story?

    It's not new at this point. It's been all over the news and Donald Trump's tweets.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 09:38:00
    Alan Ianson wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

    There is a new secret police working in the USA today.

    Yes. It's called Antifa and it's a branch of the Democrat party.

    They do not identify themselves and simply wisk poeple away.

    This is Leftie Narrative. The facts say those people had clear law
    enforcement markings. The cars may not have been marked, but unmarked
    police cars have been around for a long, long time.

    This is fascistic and against American law and the constitution.

    Yes, it is. And if you vote Democrat, you are voting for the people who
    are facists (actually look up the meaning of "facism" before using it)
    and who are against law and the Constitution.

    Donald Trump claims that crime/murder rates in cities where these
    police have been deployed has been lowered but like so much of what
    Donald Trump says the facts tell a different story.

    Only in the Leftie Narrative.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 09:46:12
    Hello Aaron,

    I mean, seriously, you are posting here ... For that reason, DK>I call BS
    on your claim.

    Awesome! Clearly thought out & well said. People in the USA are spoiled and
    derranged. If you're ever buying a gift for an American, make sure it's PERFECT because if not they will cry about minor details :)

    Perfect gift?

    Here's to you. Made of pure, unadulterated, bull sh*t.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CE18B3Vjur3/




    --Lee

    --
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 11:00:14
    Perfect gift?

    Here's to you. Made of pure, unadulterated, bull sh*t.

    Come on Lee, I'm eating my breakfast!! :(

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Ron Lauzon on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 14:26:58
    There is a new secret police working in the USA today.

    Yes. It's called Antifa and it's a branch of the Democrat party.

    There are real problems in America today but antifa isn't it. It has been investigated by the FBI at least and no charges laid. Antifa is little more than an anti fascist ideaology.

    They do not identify themselves and simply wisk poeple away.

    This is Leftie Narrative. The facts say those people had clear law enforcement markings. The cars may not have been marked, but unmarked
    police cars have been around for a long, long time.

    They do not identify themselves as police and even if you ask them they give you no identification or badge number. They look more like heavily armed military than police.

    This is fascistic and against American law and the constitution.

    Yes, it is. And if you vote Democrat, you are voting for the people who
    are facists (actually look up the meaning of "facism" before using it)
    and who are against law and the Constitution.

    Antifa has no place within the Democrat party. Fascism is exactly what is happening in the US today under Donald Trump. I wouldn't call it Democrat or Rupublican but it has found a place in Donald Trumps America.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, September 10, 2020 01:54:13
    Hello Aaron,

    Perfect gift?
    Here's to you. Made of pure, unadulterated, bull sh*t.

    Come on Lee, I'm eating my breakfast!! :(

    I did not sculpt it. So please. Don't blame me. :)

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 18:18:37
    On 09 Sep 20 14:26:58, Alan Ianson said the following to Ron Lauzon:

    Antifa has no place within the Democrat party. Fascism is exactly what is happening in the US today under Donald Trump. I wouldn't call it Democrat o Rupublican but it has found a place in Donald Trumps America.

    Please educate us about the horrors of fascism in Trump's America with some real good factual studies for all of us deplorable-types to review in detail.

    It at least would give your keyboard a momentary break as you exercise the mouse in copying-n-pasting links to leftist websites.

    Nick

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 16:24:00
    Please educate us

    Please educate yourself, I don't expect you or anyone else to take my word for anything.

    about the horrors of fascism in Trump's America with some real good factual studies for all of us deplorable-types to review in detail.

    Why do you bring up deplorable types?

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 19:47:10
    On 09 Sep 20 16:24:00, Alan Ianson said the following to Nick Andre:

    Please educate yourself, I don't expect you or anyone else to take my word anything.

    I have studied, on both conservative and liberal sites since 2016, and am not seeing any evidence of fascism you speak of... other than just whining,
    looting and rioting from the left and BLM's endorsement of Marxist values.

    about the horrors of fascism in Trump's America with some real good factual studies for all of us deplorable-types to review in detail.

    Why do you bring up deplorable types?

    Study Hillary Clinton soundbites, maybe obtain exerpts from her book and you are echoing her exact words, right down to "Trump's America".

    Nick

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 17:01:40
    Please educate yourself, I don't expect you or anyone else to take my word >> anything.

    I have studied, on both conservative and liberal sites since 2016, and am not seeing any evidence of fascism you speak of...

    Try 2020?

    Why do you bring up deplorable types?

    Study Hillary Clinton soundbites, maybe obtain exerpts from her book and you are echoing her exact words, right down to "Trump's America".

    I see.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Thursday, September 10, 2020 01:47:31
    Antifa has no place within the Democrat party. Fascism is exactly what is happening in the US today under Donald Trump. I wouldn't call it Democrat o Rupublican but it has found a place in Donald Trumps America.

    All the negative Trump coverage seems really fake to me. I still haven't heard anyone tell me a single thing that Trump has done wrong. They say stuff, but I just don't see any of it as wrong.

    Did you used to live in the USA before? I appreciate everyone's opinion, including yours, but certain regions of the USA have different political concerns. The federal government (Trump/USCongress/USSenate/USSupreme Court) makes decisions that the whole country has to live by, but when Nancy Pelosi has a campaign built on "Screw Trump," then how is he supposed to negotiate with her? She knows his phone number, but his phone ain't ringing. She refuses to cooperate on a "2nd stimulus payment" to help the middle class with the economic burdon resulting from coronavirus. Americans are hungry for that money! And Trump is ready to serve it up, but there's no way Nancy's gonna
    let Trump have that type of victory 2 months away from election day.

    Your dream of hanging out with Robert Deniro and Rosie Perez can come true without drinking Democrat kool aid.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 23:52:44
    All the negative Trump coverage seems really fake to me. I still haven't heard >anyone tell me a single thing that Trump has done wrong. They say stuff, but I
    just don't see any of it as wrong.

    Well then I think it's all good, right?

    The federal government (Trump/USCongress/USSenate/USSupreme Court) makes decisions that the whole country has to live by, but when Nancy Pelosi
    has a campaign built on "Screw Trump," then how is he supposed to negotiate with her? She knows his phone number, but his phone ain't ringing. She refuses to cooperate on a "2nd stimulus payment" to help the middle class with the economic burdon resulting from coronavirus.

    Nancy Peloci and the senate had their stimulus ready in May. It was the repulicans who couldn't come to agreement on it, even at the end of August.

    That is a republican, not a democrat failure.

    Americans are hungry for that money! And Trump is ready to serve it
    up,

    If Trump was ready to serve it up he would have done that.

    but there's no way Nancy's gonna let Trump have that type of victory 2
    months away from election day.

    Does Nancy have that much power over Trump? I don't think Nancy can stop Trump from doing anything.

    Your dream of hanging out with Robert Deniro and Rosie Perez can come true without drinking Democrat kool aid.

    And so can yours, no Trump kool aid needed.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Thursday, September 10, 2020 14:22:51
    On 09 Sep 20 17:01:40, Alan Ianson said the following to Nick Andre:

    I have studied, on both conservative and liberal sites since 2016, and am not seeing any evidence of fascism you speak of...

    Try 2020?

    Uhh, I have been. Seems to be plenty of leftist whining and silly riots, but not fascism.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, September 10, 2020 14:24:56
    On 10 Sep 20 01:47, Aaron Thomas said the following to Alan Ianson:

    All the negative Trump coverage seems really fake to me. I still haven't he anyone tell me a single thing that Trump has done wrong. They say stuff, bu just don't see any of it as wrong.

    I too, am waiting for this and anxiously waiting for proof of the so-called "fascism in Trump's America" that is verifiable undeniable proof and not just some usual leftist whinefest.

    Nick

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Nick Andre on Thursday, September 10, 2020 17:48:28
    Uhh, I have been. Seems to be plenty of leftist whining and silly riots, but not fascism.

    Trumps demagoguery is not new.

    https://youtu.be/hvMtLQ7OwzM

    In spite of that he is very popular, much like a WWE star.

    His constant lies and and fascism, the secret police I mentioned illustrate this clearly makes him a bad president. He has not acted to reduce violence and
    inflames instead and paints Kyle Rittenhouse as some sort of hero.

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  • From Dennis Katsonis@1:124/5016 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, September 10, 2020 20:27:00
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

    Hello Dennis,

    [..]

    Steve Schmidt is a former Republican, having left the party in 2018.
    He is the person who ran John McCain's campaign for president in 2008.
    Today he is an Independent, as many other Republicans have also left
    the party. I am not affiliated with any political party, and choose
    to remain so.

    Well there you go, someone who thought McCain would be a good president!

    He seemed to me the kind of guy to start a war.

    There is absolutely no doubt he would have been a far better president than what we have sitting in the White House today.

    Would you in 10 years time, old highly the opinion of someone who ran Trumps
    campaign?

    Which one? Two of them went to jail, and the third one quit and
    is awaiting trial.

    He's changed his views maybe, I don't know.

    Steve Schmidt is the same Steve Schmidt he has always been.

    I don't really care, its one opinion and I don't know what his motives are.

    One of his motives is to get rid of Trump.

    If we are talking of a politician here, the motives are likely self-serving.

    Trump is a politician. Schmidt is not.

    Up until 2016, when the Democratic party thought that Hillary would be a
    good president, I would have (if I was a US citizen) not wanted to vote
    Republican.

    Although some Democrats did vote for Trump in 2016, many of those
    same Democrats regret having done so. Will they vote for Biden? Or
    will they choose not to vote at all? That is the question.

    As for Republicans, their Republican Party no longer exists. Today
    it has become nothing more than a polite fiction. What Republicans are
    voting for is dictatorship under Trump & Co.

    I agree it has changed dramatically. I can't see the dictatorship though.

    Authoritarianism = Dictatorship

    You know, here in Melbourne, Australia, we are subject to curfews and the
    harshest lockdown.

    The governors of several states in the USA, including Louisiana,
    issued mandatory curfews and harsh lockdowns as the pandemic is a
    public health issue.

    I note the current governer of Louisiana is a Democrat. I have my doubts that broad lockdowns are the most effective solution. It has failed in Victoria. The problem is, casting your net too broad means you miss focusing on the areas where you need to focus.

    I can't go out for a walk at night, alone, but somehow, a hotel where infected people where quarantined couldn't keep people from walking around to the shops becuase they simply though contractor security guards would do.


    We don't have constitutional freedom of speech, or the same right to bear
    arms.

    Australians have similar rights. Not the same, but similar.

    No, we don't. Australia has no constituational right to free speech. Have a look at the UK, where people are ARRESTED simply for a tweet. The state is able to make laws limiting speech. The one thing it cant do, is speech directly related to a political campaign.

    People go on and on about this fascistic dictatorship, but I can't see what
    rights and freedoms you have actually LOST.

    The thing about fascism is one never notices until it hits you
    in the face. Look at fascism as a form of weakened democracy.
    Once a democracy has been weakened to the point where it no longer matters, it is no longer a democracy but something else. And we
    all know that power cannot exist in a vacuum.

    What freedom has Trump taken from you that you had under Obama?

    Where's the check? With no check, Trump can in effect rule by decree.

    The only thing I see is that you are less free to hold an opinion which
    contradicts orthodoxy, but I don't see Trump destroying the lives of people
    who hold these opinions, but others. I see Big Tech censorship, companies firing people, cancel culture, things which affect the population at large.
    Please enlightenment how Trump is limiting your movement speech or action?

    Earlier this year, by presidential proclamation, Trump told the world
    who could, and could not, travel to the USA. He did not need approval
    from anybody else. Not his cabinet. Not the Congress. Not the American people. Not the UN. He acted on his own.


    Australia did that too. In fact, we can't travel between states. I cannot travel more than 5km from home, except for work, or even LEAVE MY HOUSE after 8PM.

    The reason Trump did this? COVID. Just before, you were talking about a public health crisis in response to my comment about curfew, now you are charging Trump with closing borders to people coming in.

    If that makes Trump a fascist, what does it make my state Premier, who's impositions are much, much harsher?

    Those presidential proclamations remain in effect today. Unchallenged.

    So yes, my Australian friend. Trump is very much limiting your movement speech or action. In every which way he wants and can.

    As are most government, often to a greater degree. Does that make then Fascist too?

    By the way, that is limiting FOREIGNERS coming in. Not you.

    I'm not a US citizen, but I'm just saying, that if I was in the US, I
    couldn't have voted for the party of McCain or Romney, and I would have
    preferred to see them lose.

    You got your wish in 2008, when Barack Obama won.
    And again in 2012, when Barack Obama did it a second time.

    I didn't wish for Obama to win, as I'm not a US citizen it doesn't affect me
    to greatly. Also, not wanting one candidate to win doesn't mean you wish the
    other would. If I was a voter, I would have preferred a candidate who is a
    cross between Nader and Buchanan, perhaps more Nader than Buchanan. But
    McCain was in my mind unfit and dangerous.

    Steve Schmidt was McCain's campaign manager in 2008. Schmidt is a political consultant, John McCain his client at the time. Sometimes
    your client wins, sometimes not. It is the nature of the game.

    The Republican party doesn't represent the interests of working Americans,
    it hasn't for a long time.

    Republicans holding office represent the interests of Donald Trump,
    not the interests of the American people.

    Both parties act in a self-serving manner.

    One more time. The Republican Party exists no more as a viable
    political party. It has been taken over by Donald Trump.

    Pooh to them I say!

    And those who continue to support them.

    Must be desperate if we are referring to the opinions of Republican party
    hacks now.

    Steve Schmidt is not a Republican. After he left the party, he
    decided to have some fun, founding The Lincoln Project.

    Republican party hacks hate him for that. So does Donald Trump.

    What is Trumpism anyway?

    A death cult.

    You guys are worked up over very little and seem to be overreacting. He's
    boorish, but not a disaster. I keep in touch with a few people in the USA,
    and none of them have noted any new fascistic laws or impositions from the
    government.

    Nobody objected when Adolf Hitler did the same thing in Germany.
    Until it was too late. That is the problem with fascism. Nobody
    notices what it is until it is too late. Weakened democracy. That
    is my definition of fascism. What is yours?

    Here is my prediction. Trump will not implement a Hitlerian fascism.

    I'm willing to bet money on it. In fact, I think he will win the election.

    There isn't a president, or Liberal Prime Minister here, who hasn't been compared to Hitler. It's so, so tiresome. It's just a dumb comparison.

    You should relax.

    If you are worried about the next Hitler, maybe look accross the Pacific.

    I mean, seriously, you are posting here, under your REAL name, calling Trump
    a leader of a death cult, a fascist, that he needs to go, and are free to
    do so without consequence.

    One more time. I said Trump is the symptom. Not the disease.
    Do keep up.

    Then attack the disease, not Trump.

    AS IS EVERYONE ELSE.

    Hitler asked the world to take in Germany's Jews. The world refused.
    So Hitler sent the Jews to work camps. So they could all make money for the Reich. Unfortunately, they did not work hard enough to enjoy their long-deserved reward ...

    If you really WERE living under a fascist regime, you would dissapear, or
    suddenly find yourself imposed upon, or be threatened, or your family threatened, or as happened in Communist Russia, if you were lucky, only moved to a crapper job or lost your residence.

    Oh, come now. Everybody knows Hitler hated Commies. And Jews.
    And gays. And blacks. And just about everybody else who wasn't
    German or Aryan. Especially those who were mental. No telling
    what he did with those who were mental ...


    None of that is happening. It is ONLY the Cancel Culture mob doing that.
    For that reason, I call BS on your claim.

    Hitler never conceded. Had to be forced out of office. By an
    invasion of Russkies. But he made sure no secrets would be spilled.
    First thing he did was to off his beloved German Shepherd "Blondie"
    with a pill. Then give his girlfriend a shot. Next step on board
    a Geman U-boat headed straight for South America.

    Some claim he is still alive and well.

    Get a grip.

    Who is still alive? Hitler?

    Well, you never know. Germans did have very good doctors ...

    --Lee

    I think you have more important things to worry about. Yes, Trump is the symptom, but he is in the end, a historical footnote. The fuss against Trump, and the social chaos that people are creating, will leave a longer and larger legacy, than anything that Trump himself actually did.


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  • From Dennis Katsonis@1:124/5016 to Alan Ianson on Thursday, September 10, 2020 20:30:00
    Alan Ianson wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

    I've heard about vans whisking people away, but not much more than rumours.

    It's not a rumour, I have seen video of these police doing this.

    I've seen videos of police putting people in vans too. It's quite common during arrests.

    I've heard a lot of rumours, about Trump supposedly removing mailboxes,
    which
    turned out not to be what is claimed.

    The USPS under Donald Trumps newly installed crony has removed sorting machines and and stopped overtime and these actions have resulted in a slowdown of postal service. Many in the US get their prescriptions by
    mail and they have not been getting them delivered on time.

    Mailboxes have been removed because it is said they are no longed
    needed.

    Who has dissappeared?

    I don't know or think anyone has dissapeared. Being a new and secret police not much is known about them currently.

    Well there you go...

    No one has dissappeared. So what happened to them? Just the usual process? If that is the case, so what?

    What is the world coming too when you can't arrest violent rioters...

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Dennis Katsonis on Thursday, September 10, 2020 19:38:00
    It's not a rumour, I have seen video of these police doing this.

    I've seen videos of police putting people in vans too. It's quite common during arrests.

    Yes, that is the norm. What's happening today with the secret police is not normal.

    No one has dissappeared.

    I never said anyone dissapeared.

    So what happened to them? Just the usual process?

    Most likely.

    What is the world coming too when you can't arrest violent rioters...

    Police can and should arrest rioters. There is no need for secret police to arrest rioters.

    This video shows my concern around police and secret police actions today.

    https://youtu.be/AzE3RZrnAkk

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Nick Andre on Friday, September 11, 2020 00:21:20
    Uhh, I have been. Seems to be plenty of leftist whining and silly riots, bu not fascism.

    I'm getting scared that maybe people believe everything they read on bumper stickers? It's a terrible place to get news updates :( Worse than BBC & PBS.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Nick Andre on Friday, September 11, 2020 00:34:19
    I too, am waiting for this and anxiously waiting for proof of the so-called "fascism in Trump's America" that is verifiable undeniable proof and not ju some usual leftist whinefest.

    In the earliest stage of the USA's virus breakout, back around March, Nancy Pelosi and her goons were wrapping up closing arguments in their failed presidential impeachment trial. They were ready to impeach Trump again when he said "everybody needs to stay home." Nancy even encouraged people to go out in public - just to spite Trump. But the roles eventually reversed, with Trump eventually saying "let's open back up carefully," while Pelosi said "we're
    not opening anything back up because it would help Trump's economy."

    I'm not trying to be funny, I can't help it that the truth is disgusting but kinda hilarious too, in a dark way.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Friday, September 11, 2020 00:36:10
    Trumps demagoguery is not new.

    https://youtu.be/hvMtLQ7OwzM

    That video was like 4 seconds long, and Trump barely said one word.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dennis Katsonis on Friday, September 11, 2020 00:43:02
    There isn't a president, or Liberal Prime Minister here, who hasn't been compared to Hitler. It's so, so tiresome. It's just a dumb comparison.

    That's a good point! The Democrats are panicking because they have nothing to legitimately complain about with Trump. So, they are saying childing stuff like "He's just like Hitler!" and "He disparaged military members!"

    If anyone could show me video or audio footage of Trump bulldozing skeletons, or cheerleading for the Viet Cong, then I'll vote Biden.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, September 10, 2020 23:48:06
    That video was like 4 seconds long, and Trump barely said one word.

    Really? Try this one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_FDFY-SJ-4

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  • From Dennis Katsonis@1:124/5016 to Alan Ianson on Friday, September 11, 2020 20:38:00
    Alan Ianson wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

    It's not a rumour, I have seen video of these police doing this.

    I've seen videos of police putting people in vans too. It's quite common during arrests.

    Yes, that is the norm. What's happening today with the secret police is not normal.

    No one has dissappeared.

    I never said anyone dissapeared.

    So what happened to them? Just the usual process?

    Most likely.

    What is the world coming too when you can't arrest violent rioters...

    Police can and should arrest rioters. There is no need for secret
    police to arrest rioters.

    This video shows my concern around police and secret police actions
    today.

    https://youtu.be/AzE3RZrnAkk

    If they were Antifa, then we are dealing with terrorists.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Dennis Katsonis on Friday, September 11, 2020 06:48:52
    This video shows my concern around police and secret police actions
    today.

    https://youtu.be/AzE3RZrnAkk

    If they were Antifa,

    Antifa has been investigated in the US by the FBI but no charges have been laid.

    Is Antifa a threat in Australia?

    then we are dealing with terrorists.

    Did that veteran appear to be a terrorist to you?

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, September 11, 2020 09:41:05
    On 11 Sep 20 00:21, Aaron Thomas said the following to Nick Andre:

    Uhh, I have been. Seems to be plenty of leftist whining and silly riots, bu not fascism.

    I'm getting scared that maybe people believe everything they read on bumper stickers? It's a terrible place to get news updates :( Worse than BBC & PBS

    CTV and CBC take the cake up here for horrible/leftist/gaslighting reporting, along with CP24 parroting the chicken-little spinmeisters at the Associated Press. Its why I'm not at all surprised Al whines so much about America.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, September 11, 2020 09:48:20
    On 11 Sep 20 00:34, Aaron Thomas said the following to Nick Andre:

    presidential impeachment trial. They were ready to impeach Trump again when said "everybody needs to stay home." Nancy even encouraged people to go out public - just to spite Trump. But the roles eventually reversed, with Trump

    I think I remember that... something to do with visiting Chinatown or some asinine remark from her.

    I'm not trying to be funny, I can't help it that the truth is disgusting bu kinda hilarious too, in a dark way.

    Whats absolutely effing hilarious to me was that whole crap with her at the salon; typical entitled leftist mentality. Do as I say, not as I do?

    Then again, people voted for her... much as how I try not to complain too
    much about Trudeau because there is a certain deranged segment of our population that voted for his hair, effeminate mannerisms and last name.
    The sadness is not the terrible leaders, but the lemmings of dumb voters.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Friday, September 11, 2020 09:55:57
    On 10 Sep 20 17:48:28, Alan Ianson said the following to Nick Andre:

    Uhh, I have been. Seems to be plenty of leftist whining and silly riots, but not fascism.

    Trumps demagoguery is not new.

    Neither is Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    https://youtu.be/hvMtLQ7OwzM

    In spite of that he is very popular, much like a WWE star.

    LOL! Quoting Youtube? Whats next, the oracle wisdom of Wikipedia?

    To be fair, WWE is just as phony as professional sports in general; except WWE performers do not take knees at national anthems to protest perceived unfairnesss about their country while simultaneously collecting millions in endorsement deals from companies exploiting slave labour overseas.

    His constant lies and and fascism, the secret police I mentioned illustrate this clearly makes him a bad president. He has not acted to reduce violence and inflames instead and paints Kyle Rittenhouse as some sort of hero.

    Calm down, he's not your president.

    Nick

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Nick Andre on Friday, September 11, 2020 07:25:38
    In spite of that he is very popular, much like a WWE star.

    LOL! Quoting Youtube? Whats next, the oracle wisdom of Wikipedia?

    Been watching youtube too eh?

    Calm down, he's not your president.

    I'm cool. If the good folks in the US want some more Donald they are welcome to
    it.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Friday, September 11, 2020 10:55:16
    That video was like 4 seconds long, and Trump barely said one word.

    Really? Try this one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_FDFY-SJ-4

    And this video is 100% Steven Hawking - Trump's not even in it. It doesn't matter how you calculate the issue of "demagoguery."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Nick Andre on Friday, September 11, 2020 11:10:47
    Whats absolutely effing hilarious to me was that whole crap with her at the salon; typical entitled leftist mentality. Do as I say, not as I do?

    Now that salon owner is being alienated by her community for opposition to Nancy's behavior. You don't want to party with Nancy; she gets high on power, and that's gonna leave a horrible hangover.

    population that voted for his hair, effeminate mannerisms and last name. The sadness is not the terrible leaders, but the lemmings of dumb voters.

    Trump has a sexy white house spokeswoman who I'm not ready to say goodbye to. I like seeing her in the press briefings! She's a lot easier to look at than Joe Biden's spokesman. Maybe Justin Trudeau should be someone's spokesman :)

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Friday, September 11, 2020 12:31:29
    On 11 Sep 20 07:25:38, Alan Ianson said the following to Nick Andre:

    LOL! Quoting Youtube? Whats next, the oracle wisdom of Wikipedia?

    Been watching youtube too eh?

    No thanks. Almost never indulge except for obscure classic TV shows or music.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, September 11, 2020 12:34:33
    On 11 Sep 20 11:10, Aaron Thomas said the following to Nick Andre:

    Now that salon owner is being alienated by her community for opposition to Nancy's behavior. You don't want to party with Nancy; she gets high on powe and that's gonna leave a horrible hangover.

    We know that she has high-end fridges and premium ice cream...

    Trump has a sexy white house spokeswoman who I'm not ready to say goodbye t I like seeing her in the press briefings! She's a lot easier to look at tha Joe Biden's spokesman. Maybe Justin Trudeau should be someone's spokesman :

    Trump *usually* picks hot women. But banging Ivana? Ewww, no thanks.

    Nick

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, September 11, 2020 09:43:14
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_FDFY-SJ-4

    And this video is 100% Steven Hawking - Trump's not even in it. It doesn't matter how you calculate the issue of "demagoguery."

    I was only saying that Donald's Demagoguery was nothing new.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, September 11, 2020 20:49:04
    Hello Aaron,

    [..]

    If anyone could show me video or audio footage of Trump bulldozing
    skeletons, or cheerleading for the Viet Cong, then I'll vote Biden.

    How about Air Force One arriving in Freeland, Michigan for a Trump
    pep rally as "Fortunate Son" by Creedence Clearwater Revival is
    being played. Does that count? You do realize what that song is all
    about? Rich kids avoiding the draft on Vietnam. Just like Trump
    did (five times).

    There you go. #1 cheerleader for the Viet Cong. Donald J. Trump.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Nick Andre on Friday, September 11, 2020 16:30:57
    Trump has a sexy white house spokeswoman who I'm not ready to say goodbye t I like seeing her in the press briefings! She's a lot easier to look at tha Joe Biden's spokesman. Maybe Justin Trudeau should be someone's spokesman :

    Trump *usually* picks hot women. But banging Ivana? Ewww, no thanks.

    No, this woman's name is Kayleigh McEnany. She is the "White House Spokeswoman." She's hot, and a great spokeswoman. The media probably hates her, but I'll bet the media photography personnel don't wanna see her go! :)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=kayleigh+mcenany&sxsrf=ALeKk01Nh6dQYwtwPXQnDCN 41RvBdYbHRw:1599856100277&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwisr7G0-OHrAhXOT d8KHdjlCFAQ_AUoAnoECCIQBA&biw=1440&bih=763#imgrc=CpxvqwZvCktoEM

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Friday, September 11, 2020 23:06:30
    And this video is 100% Steven Hawking - Trump's not even in it. It doesn't matter how you calculate the issue of "demagoguery."

    I was only saying that Donald's Demagoguery was nothing new.

    But I disagree with you there, because this is Donald's first time demagoging. He's not a career politician, he's a business tycoon. The only thing he has to gain in being our president, is his pride in doing what he feels is right for the American people.

    Joe Biden was part of a very mismanaged White House cabinet. To switch Joe with the guy who has done everything to help guys like me, and our families, is an uncomfortable thought.

    If you don't like Trump, and it sounds like you don't, then you should at least have some understanding that the majority of the USA is NOT happy about the prospect of a Joe Biden administration. If we had to replace Trump with a Democrat, it shouldn't be a member of a failed administration's cabinet. We had 2 military war veterans in the Democratic primary, and it seems like the flaky left here in the states chose the black race over reason. Even before he announced "Kamala," this was the guy from the black guy's administration, so how does that sound in vote marketing? The DNC wouldn't let an advantage like that slip by.

    Imagine all the photos that Joe Biden has of him with the Obamas. Is that gonna trick the ancestors of slaves into voting Democrat or what?

    White millionaire career politician shows up at black guy's funeral? What? Was Barack Obama's VP? What!? Legalize prostitution? What!?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, September 11, 2020 23:33:49
    How about Air Force One arriving in Freeland, Michigan for a Trump
    pep rally as "Fortunate Son" by Creedence Clearwater Revival is

    You're using too much imagination. Trump's not gonna promote draft dodging. It looks like a campagin management error to me though. There's no reason why he shouldn't be using music from Ted Nugent, Kid Rock, or Phil Sousan (Trump supporters.)

    Thank you Lee, for pointing out the biggest mistake of Trump's campagin: Using the wrong music. Let's see if Kellyanne can do better this time!

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, September 11, 2020 23:47:14
    On 11 Sep 20 23:33, Aaron Thomas said the following to Lee Lofaso:

    You're using too much imagination. Trump's not gonna promote draft dodging. looks like a campagin management error to me though. There's no reason why shouldn't be using music from Ted Nugent, Kid Rock, or Phil Sousan (Trump supporters.)

    Ted Nugent, yes. Kid Rock? Meehhhhhhhhhhh.

    Nick

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, September 12, 2020 01:42:22
    No, this woman's name is Kayleigh McEnany. She is the "White House Spokeswoman." She's hot, and a great spokeswoman. The media probably hates her, but I'll bet the media photography personnel don't wanna see her go! :)

    She's hard to hear, she lies just like her boss and previous WH press secretaries.

    She is easy to look at though, I'll give her that.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, September 12, 2020 02:30:24
    But I disagree with you there, because this is Donald's first time demagoging. >He's not a career politician, he's a business tycoon. The only thing he has to
    gain in being our president, is his pride in doing what he feels is right for the American people.

    Donald was always a demogogue. He's the first demogogue in the White House that
    I can recall.

    Joe Biden was part of a very mismanaged White House cabinet. To switch Joe with the guy who has done everything to help guys like me, and our families, is an uncomfortable thought.

    Obama and Biden did pretty well in the White House. Donald Trump does not care about you or your family.

    If you don't like Trump, and it sounds like you don't,

    Actually I like Trump. He has given me a belly laugh or five over the Years.

    Your Fired! That's great.

    But I think Donald Trump is way out of his element in the White House. I'd prefer Donald go to Mar-a-Logo and do whatever it is he does.

    then you should at least have some understanding that the majority of the
    USA is NOT happy about the prospect of a Joe Biden administration.

    Is that so? In two short months the people will go to the polls and make a decision about who they want to be president.

    I hope that won't be messy, it doesn't need to be but things tend to get messy around Donald Trump.

    If we had to replace Trump with a Democrat, it shouldn't be a member of a failed administration's cabinet.

    What was the failure of the Obama/Biden administration?

    We had 2 military war veterans in the Democratic primary, and it seems like the flaky left here in the states chose the black race over reason. Even before he announced "Kamala," this was the guy from the black guy's administration, so how does that sound in vote marketing? The DNC wouldn't let an advantage like that slip by.

    Biden had to choose someone and ultimately he choose Kamala. Could be any number of reasons why. I think Kamala is a good choice. She did good things for
    ordinary Americans back in the housing crunch. Back in those days the Obama administration put laws in place so that wouldn't happen again. Trump has since
    taken those laws down so it could indeed happen again.

    Imagine all the photos that Joe Biden has of him with the Obamas. Is that gonna trick the ancestors of slaves into voting Democrat or what?

    Joe Biden has a good standing in history. Every American, black, white or otherwise has the freedom to vote as they choose/will.

    White millionaire career politician shows up at black guy's funeral? What?

    You're beeing silly.

    Was Barack Obama's VP? What!? Legalize prostitution? What!?

    Law enforcement in Canada does not spend a lot of resources on prostitution, as
    long as no one is being hurt.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, September 12, 2020 19:19:53
    Hello Aaron,

    How about Air Force One arriving in Freeland, Michigan for a Trump
    pep rally as "Fortunate Son" by Creedence Clearwater Revival is

    You're using too much imagination. Trump's not gonna promote draft dodging.

    If anyone could show me video or audio footage of Trump bulldozing
    skeletons, or cheerleading for the Viet Cong, then I'll vote Biden.

    Your own words. Time for you to own up to them.
    Read the lyrics of the song.
    Or get stoned while listening to the music.
    It's all the same.
    Rich boys cheerleading for the Viet Cong.

    It looks like a campagin management error to me though. There's no reason
    why he shouldn't be using music from Ted Nugent, Kid Rock, or Phil Sousan (Trump supporters.)

    No excuses. You said you would vote for Biden if Trump did something
    really bonehead stupid like "cheerleading for the Viet Cong". Time for
    you to own up.

    Thank you Lee, for pointing out the biggest mistake of Trump's campagin:
    Using the wrong music. Let's see if Kellyanne can do better this time!

    First of all, Kellyanne is no longer part of the Trump campaign.
    But no matter. Trump is responsible for everything his campaign does.
    He has not apologized for his choice of music. Therefore, your claim
    is bogus.

    Time to own up.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, September 13, 2020 02:44:17
    Hello Alan,

    But I disagree with you there, because this is Donald's first time
    demagoging. He's not a career politician, he's a business tycoon. The only >> thing he has to gain in being our president, is his pride in doing what he >> feels is right for the American people.

    Donald was always a demogogue. He's the first demogogue in the White House
    that I can recall.

    Huey P. Long would have been had a doctor not shot him dead first.
    Some say Huey's bodyguards did it, as the doctor was hit so many times
    that one of those bullets hit Huey. Blew off part of his penis and he
    wound up bleeding to death.

    The investigators tested the evidence (the doctor's gun) destroying
    the evidence in the process. There are bullet holes in the marble wall
    of the state capital where Huey was shot. Nobody knows for sure which
    bullet(s) hit Huey.

    Earl K. Long would have been a better demagogue than his brother Huey.
    But he was happy being governor, and never quite made it to DC. Well,
    he did win his last election - to the US House of Representatives. But
    he was sick at the time and passed away before being able to take the
    oath of office.

    When Barack Obama first took office as president I thought we had a
    black Huey P. Long. He was that good of a speaker, and people believed
    in him as a kind of lord and savior. But as things turned out, he was
    a mere human and came down to Earth after Republicans took over the
    Congress in the next election.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, September 12, 2020 23:32:35
    She's hard to hear, she lies just like her boss and previous WH press secretaries.

    Derrangement! What about Sara Sanders? A liar too? And Sean Spencer? Lying for the big guy? These spokespersons have been awesome. If anyone tries to give that adorable little lady a difficult day at work, then she sets their asses straight! She knows she has big shoes to fill with the departure of Sara Sanders, and she does a great job. Now I want to see Trump's campaign manager wow me.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, September 12, 2020 23:48:22
    Donald was always a demogogue. He's the first demogogue in the White House that I can recall.

    Was always? Like since 2016? Prior to that he was a businessman/tv personality. This "demagogue" stuff is a political thing referring to a person pandering for votes, like Joe Biden did with black people.

    White millionaire career politician shows up at black guy's funeral? What?

    You're beeing silly.

    It's not me being silly, it's Joe Biden being a race-baiter. What's the narrative on this for liberals? What did the media tell you about this? Nothing? Did you not know that Joe Biden attended George Floyd's funeral? Are you starting to catch up yet?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, September 13, 2020 00:01:44
    Your own words. Time for you to own up to them.
    Read the lyrics of the song.

    I don't listen to song lyrics. I hate Creedence Clearwater. I liked them when I was a kid, but I don't give a crap about song syrics.

    No excuses. You said you would vote for Biden if Trump did something
    really bonehead stupid like "cheerleading for the Viet Cong". Time for
    you to own up.

    He wasn't supporting Viet Cong. John Fogerty can kiss it.

    He has not apologized for his choice of music. Therefore, your claim
    is bogus.

    I don't recognize any bogus claim made by me in recent days.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, September 12, 2020 23:56:46
    Derrangement! What about Sara Sanders? A liar too?

    Uhuh.

    And Sean Spencer? Lying for the big guy?

    Yep, are you beginning to see a pattern?

    These spokespersons have been awesome.

    Glad you enjoyed it.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, September 13, 2020 09:59:00
    Alan Ianson wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    There are real problems in America today but antifa isn't it. It has
    been investigated by the FBI at least and no charges laid. Antifa is little more than an anti fascist ideaology.

    Gotta keep pushing the False Leftie Narrative, I suppose.

    They do not identify themselves as police and even if you ask them they give you no identification or badge number. They look more like heavily armed military than police.

    Again, you are listening to your Leftie handlers and not actually checking the facts because what you just said has already been proven false.

    Antifa has no place within the Democrat party.

    Antifa is the Democrat party's latest version of the KKK.

    Fascism is exactly what is happening in the US today under Donald Trump.

    When you understand what Facism actually is, you can discuss that topic.

    I wouldn't call it
    Democrat or Rupublican but it has found a place in Donald Trumps
    America.

    Only because Donald Trump is working on stamping out its roots.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, September 13, 2020 23:54:10
    Hello Aaron,

    Your own words. Time for you to own up to them.
    Read the lyrics of the song.

    I don't listen to song lyrics. I hate Creedence Clearwater. I liked them
    when I was a kid, but I don't give a crap about song syrics.

    When I was a kid, me and all the other kids my age learned all the
    lyrics to every song. We probably knew them better than the musicians themselves.

    No excuses. You said you would vote for Biden if Trump did something >LL>really bonehead stupid like "cheerleading for the Viet Cong". Time for >LL>you to own up.

    He wasn't supporting Viet Cong. John Fogerty can kiss it.

    "I wrote the song back in 1969 at the height of the Vietnam War.
    By the time I wrote the song, I had already been drafted and had
    served in the military. And I've been a livelong supporter of our
    guys and gals in the military, probably because of that experience."
    ~ John Fogerty

    Fogerty went on to say he wrote the song, in part, because he was
    "upset" about how rich people with privilege and money would avoid
    the draft.

    IOW, John Fogerty is a True American Patriot.

    Quite unlike the assclown who occupies the WH today.
    Five deferments, including one for bone spurs, to avoid
    serving in Vietnam.

    GWB did the same thing, using his connections with the wealthy to
    get a coveted slot with the Texas Air National Guard as a way to avoid
    service in Vietnam. And then went AWOL early so he could get his teeth
    cleaned in Alabama.

    He has not apologized for his choice of music. Therefore, your claim
    is bogus.

    I don't recognize any bogus claim made by me in recent days.

    I quoted your exact words. But that's okay. You don't want to
    own up to it. Just like your golden boy.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, September 13, 2020 23:32:47
    IOW, John Fogerty is a True American Patriot.

    I guess he must be a Republican then. :)

    Quite unlike the assclown who occupies the WH today.
    Five deferments, including one for bone spurs, to avoid

    Bone spurs are painful. I had them. The only medicine for them is cortisone shots, and cortisone shots hurt like hell too.

    Do you want a private who sits down on the job? Or do you want a private who is in so much pain from standing, that he can't focus on his task?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, September 14, 2020 17:47:08
    Hello Aaron,

    IOW, John Fogerty is a True American Patriot.

    I guess he must be a Republican then. :)

    I have absolutely no idea what his party affiliation might be,
    or if he ever was affiliated with any party.

    Quite unlike the assclown who occupies the WH today.
    Five deferments, including one for bone spurs, to avoid

    Bone spurs are painful. I had them. The only medicine for them is cortisone
    shots, and cortisone shots hurt like hell too.

    Donald Trump used any excuse he could find in order to avoid military
    service in Vietnam. I am sure his daddy helped him in that regard.
    Had nothing to do with his ability to serve. Everything to do with
    his being a chicken-shit bastard who refused to serve his country.

    Do you want a private who sits down on the job?

    Donald Trump never bothered taking a physical. That's what happens
    when you get a deferment. The military cannot give you a physical to
    see if you can cut the mustard. Donald Trump went doctor shopping.
    Found a doctor who would tell the military he could not serve. I am
    sure his daddy paid for the doctor visit.

    Or do you want a private who is in so much pain from standing, that he can't
    focus on his task?

    Donald Trump has never had surgery on his feet. He seems to be
    doing fine standing on his feet during all those Trump rallies.

    Donald "Bone Spur Cadet" Trump. A most fitting name.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, September 14, 2020 22:00:15
    Donald Trump used any excuse he could find in order to avoid military service in Vietnam. I am sure his daddy helped him in that regard.
    Had nothing to do with his ability to serve. Everything to do with
    his being a chicken-shit bastard who refused to serve his country.

    Your story sounds derranged.

    Donald Trump has never had surgery on his feet. He seems to be

    I've had bone spurs for decades and I still haven't had any surgery.

    doing fine standing on his feet during all those Trump rallies.

    But you're not an administrative law judge, correct? The military does a lot more than stand around giving speeches. Did you ever notice how Trump always leans on the podium? It's probably because bone spurs hurt like hell.

    Donald "Bone Spur Cadet" Trump. A most fitting name.

    The same thing could have happened to me if I were a kid during Nam. I have bone spurs. I'd get kicked out of the army, then people would bitch at me for it.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, September 17, 2020 14:37:55
    On 06 Sep 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    What has Trump done to incite and encourage violence?

    He supported the neo-nazis at Charlottesville. He cheered on that
    caravan of his supporters who came to Portland shooting paintballs at
    BLM protesters. At his rallies he repeatedly invited his supporters to beat up protesters. He gave support to Rittenhouse who shot three protesters in Kenosha. He sent troopers into Portland, armed to the teeth, which only resulted in stirring up the flames. At a political rally in Montana he praised the assault of a Republican who body slammed
    a reporter. There are many more examples. It is common behavior by
    him.

    All of these examples is based on your perception of which is liberal.
    It Does not mean that how it is in reality, because if was there would be
    much more spin even more chaos over these events that your talking about.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, September 27, 2020 01:13:08
    On 09-17-20 14:37, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Weakling <=-

    What has Trump done to incite and encourage violence?

    He supported the neo-nazis at Charlottesville. He cheered on that
    caravan of his supporters who came to Portland shooting paintballs at
    BLM protesters. At his rallies he repeatedly invited his supporters to beat up protesters. He gave support to Rittenhouse who shot three protesters in Kenosha. He sent troopers into Portland, armed to the teeth, which only resulted in stirring up the flames. At a political rally in Montana he praised the assault of a Republican who body slammed
    a reporter. There are many more examples. It is common behavior by
    him.

    All of these examples is based on your perception of which is liberal.
    It Does not mean that how it is in reality, because if was there would
    be much more spin even more chaos over these events that your talking about.

    All of those examples are based on documented videos of Trump. No
    perception needed. They are real. They did not need any spin, except
    by Trump supporters.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Alan Ianson on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 09:23:00
    Alan Ianson wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    There are real problems in America today but antifa isn't it. It has
    been investigated by the FBI at least and no charges laid. Antifa is little more than an anti fascist ideaology.

    Yes, we are all well aware of the false Leftie Narrative.

    Antifa is an "idealogy" just like ISIS.

    They do not identify themselves as police and even if you ask them they give you no identification or badge number. They look more like heavily armed military than police.

    Long debunked. You need to seek your own information instead of just listening to the propaganda ministry (i.e. "mainstream" media).

    Antifa has no place within the Democrat party. Fascism is exactly what
    is happening in the US today under Donald Trump. I wouldn't call it Democrat or Rupublican but it has found a place in Donald Trumps
    America.

    Facism is type of communism. It seeks gov't control of industry.

    So, let's see what party wants gov't control? Hint: It starts with "Democ..."


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Ron Lauzon on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 14:42:08
    Antifa is an "idealogy" just like ISIS.

    Antifa is an anti fascist ideal but there is no Antifa group and has no resemblance to ISIS.

    They do not identify themselves as police and even if you ask them they
    give you no identification or badge number. They look more like heavily
    armed military than police.

    Long debunked.

    By who!

    The actions of Trumps secret police are well documented.

    Antifa has no place within the Democrat party. Fascism is exactly what
    is happening in the US today under Donald Trump. I wouldn't call it
    Democrat or Rupublican but it has found a place in Donald Trumps
    America.

    Facism is type of communism. It seeks gov't control of industry.

    Fascism can be seen in communist parties like we see in Russia, China and others but fascism is different.

    So, let's see what party wants gov't control? Hint: It starts with "Democ..."

    Both Republicans and Democrats do take control when elected. If they wish to stay in control in a democracy then they need to do the will of the people or they risk being voted out.

    In some countries they will even take control by force.

    https://youtu.be/M7dYUR1Cvrk?list=PL7dQWce1VEodVSsqQz4SFPGXKJvyfEe_p

    I hope the USA doesn't resemble that after the election. It shouldn't, the USA has been holding free and fair elections for as long as I can remember.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Alan Ianson on Thursday, October 15, 2020 09:20:00
    Alan Ianson wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    Antifa is an anti fascist ideal but there is no Antifa group and has no resemblance to ISIS.

    Gotta keep up the false Narrative, I suppose...

    The actions of Trumps secret police are well documented.

    Documenting falsehoods doesn't make them true.

    The only people who claim that there are "secret police" that have unmarked cars (something that police have used for decades), that show no badges
    and do not identify themselves have been the radical lefties who steadfastly refuse to provide any evidence.

    Both Republicans and Democrats do take control when elected. If they
    wish to stay in control in a democracy then they need to do the will of the people or they risk being voted out.

    Tell that to tyrants like Newsome and Whitmer who are currently dictating against the will of the people.

    In some countries they will even take control by force.

    Like Anfifa does for the Democrat party.

    I hope the USA doesn't resemble that after the election. It shouldn't,
    the USA has been holding free and fair elections for as long as I can remember.

    The Democrats are trying their hardest to change that - or at the very least tarnish the image that the election is fair.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Ron Lauzon on Thursday, October 15, 2020 15:34:56
    The only people who claim that there are "secret police" that have unmarked cars (something that police have used for decades), that show no badges
    and do not identify themselves have been the radical lefties who steadfastly refuse to provide any evidence.

    This is well known and in the public domain. Look at it and understand it if you care too.

    In some countries they will even take control by force.

    Like Anfifa does for the Democrat party.

    Antifa (whatever that means to you) will never take control of any thing.

    I hope the USA doesn't resemble that after the election. It shouldn't,
    the USA has been holding free and fair elections for as long as I can
    remember.

    The Democrats are trying their hardest to change that - or at the very least tarnish the image that the election is fair.

    It is only Trump who has put forward this idea of "I can only loose if the election is rigged". The truth is he can only loose if the people vote otherwise.

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  • From Dennis Katsonis@1:124/5016 to Alan Ianson on Monday, October 05, 2020 05:53:00
    Alan Ianson wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    The only people who claim that there are "secret police" that have unmarked cars (something that police have used for decades), that show no badges
    and do not identify themselves have been the radical lefties who steadfastly refuse to provide any evidence.

    This is well known and in the public domain. Look at it and understand
    it if you care too.

    In some countries they will even take control by force.

    Like Anfifa does for the Democrat party.

    Antifa (whatever that means to you) will never take control of any
    thing.

    They bring weapons to protests and attack people for political purposes.

    There is more evidence of Antifa's violence than there is of people
    being dissappered by Trump.

    I hope the USA doesn't resemble that after the election. It shouldn't,
    the USA has been holding free and fair elections for as long as I can
    remember.

    The Democrats are trying their hardest to change that - or at the very least tarnish the image that the election is fair.

    It is only Trump who has put forward this idea of "I can only loose if
    the election is rigged". The truth is he can only loose if the people
    vote otherwise.

    With Facebook and Twitter now censoring news to protect Biden, I'm
    guessing you are right. You can however, do a lot to control the voter
    and the information they receive.



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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Dennis Katsonis on Saturday, October 17, 2020 00:35:34
    Antifa (whatever that means to you) will never take control of any
    thing.

    They bring weapons to protests and attack people for political purposes.

    Various melitias have been bring weapons to protests. Antifa is not among them.

    There is more evidence of Antifa's violence than there is of people
    being dissappered by Trump.

    You keep bringing this up "dissapeared". Why?

    I hope the USA doesn't resemble that after the election. It shouldn't,
    the USA has been holding free and fair elections for as long as I can
    remember.

    The Democrats are trying their hardest to change that - or at the very least >> tarnish the image that the election is fair.

    No, you are wrong. The democrats keep saying there is no evidence of widespread
    election fraud. Donald Trump says the elections are unfair somehow or rigged and the only way he can loose is if the election is rigged.

    In California the republicans have put ballot drop boxes around the state to collect ballots. The boxes say "official" on them but they are not official. The state has official drop boxes for people to put there ballot in.

    The state has ordered these unofficial boxes removed but so for the republicans
    have refused.

    It is only Trump who has put forward this idea of "I can only loose if
    the election is rigged". The truth is he can only loose if the people
    vote otherwise.

    With Facebook and Twitter now censoring news to protect Biden, I'm
    guessing you are right. You can however, do a lot to control the voter
    and the information they receive.

    I no longer have a twitter account and never had a facebook account so I can only guess what is going on there.

    It's not news they are blocking, it is bullshit.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Dennis Katsonis on Saturday, October 17, 2020 02:06:06
    With Facebook and Twitter now censoring news to protect Biden, I'm
    guessing you are right. You can however, do a lot to control the voter
    and the information they receive.

    This short clip will give you the highlights of the New York Post article you mention.

    https://youtu.be/xLTV_3leKNU

    I'm sure you can find the original at https://nypost.com

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, October 17, 2020 12:44:00
    Alan Ianson wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    Antifa (whatever that means to you) will never take control of any
    thing.

    Well, duh! They are a bunch of LARPers who don't understand what they aren't playing a game.

    What they can do is scare and harass people.

    It is only Trump who has put forward this idea of "I can only loose if
    the election is rigged". The truth is he can only loose if the people
    vote otherwise.

    Lefties always project.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Ron Lauzon on Saturday, October 17, 2020 13:52:48
    It is only Trump who has put forward this idea of "I can only loose if
    the election is rigged". The truth is he can only loose if the people
    vote otherwise.

    Lefties always project.

    No projection. That is what Trump said and is doing with the help of his enablers.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, October 17, 2020 22:28:37
    No projection. That is what Trump said and is doing with the help of his enablers.

    We are extremely satisfied with Trump after having been somewhat or completely displeased with past administrations for decades. It's only psychic parasites trying to inflict people with TDS who can disagree with the changes Trump
    has made to our economic & world-political systems.

    If Obama was still president during covid-19, an extremely weak federal response would be expected. Luckily, we had a strong one, especially in my region.

    I'll enable this Trump stuff. A strong economy for my kids and grandkids to enjoy, less crime, stronger military, stronger border, I appreciate this stuff. Trump is obviously sharing his talents with us. Democrats hate it, because they are the tyrants.

    I swear dude, Trump is a prophecy. "The Last President." The people who are against Trump are just like the jews who nailed Jesus up. Let's plan on forgiving the Democrats for any terrible stuff they might do if they get the chance, but let's also be vigilant.

    Believe me when I tell you that you DON'T want a lousy neighbor to the
    south. We are lucky now that we have such a generous president in Mexico, but some of the guys they had before were terrible. Nieto didn't do jack to fight crime. Obrador seems to keep it real and has turned Mexico into a way better neighbor. You need a guy like Obrador for prime minister. Someone who will just like bend over and let Trump do what he wants.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, October 17, 2020 23:51:12
    I'll enable this Trump stuff.

    When I speak of Trump and his enablers I am not speaking of you or his supporters.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, October 18, 2020 12:06:22
    On 17 Oct 20 22:28, Aaron Thomas said the following to Alan Ianson:

    neighbor. You need a guy like Obrador for prime minister. Someone who will just like bend over and let Trump do what he wants.

    Trudeau already takes it up the rear from Trump and others.

    Nick

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Nick Andre on Sunday, October 18, 2020 21:19:18
    Trudeau already takes it up the rear from Trump and others.

    He better! lol

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  • From Angela Walker@1:129/165 to Dennis Katsonis on Saturday, October 31, 2020 19:12:09
    Re: Re: Weakling
    By: Dennis Katsonis to Lee Lofaso on Tue Sep 08 2020 09:16 am

    I can list a few ways that Trump being president has tangibly and negatively affected my life in a real way!
    Under Obama, LGBT individuals such as myself had federal legal protections against discrimination. LGBT students could feel safe in public - they could use public restrooms without fear of legal action being taken against them - something that should be a basic human right for all Americans. LGBT employees had federal non-discrimination protections. Transgender persons could participate in the Armed Services. I could go on. Thanks to Trump, all of that has been reversed and then some. He's actually gone as far as to legally "disappear" transgender people by redefining gender in the legal context as an un-changeable binary determined by a doctor's glance at birth that can never be changed or modified on any legal documents recognized by his government. While I haven't been arrested for using a public restroom nor have I been discharged from service or fired because of who I am, knowing that those are the rules of the land has profoundly affected my psyche and self-esteem. I feel vastly less-safe as an LGBT American than I did under Obama - I feel at-risk when I go to work, when I go shopping, when I pay my bills, when I fill out forms, and very much so when I see a doctor or seek any sort of medical care.
    When Trump was elected, I knew it would be bad for LGBT Americans but he's done more to hurt us than I'd even imagined. His words when he asked the Supreme Court to rule that LGBT Americans have no legal protections against discrimination - and lost the case - "It's unfortunate. It's very unfortunate." So I have to live with knowing that the leader of my country believes it's very unfortunate that he couldn't officially legalize discrimination against people like myself.
    ... and now that he's installed his pet, Amy, into the Supreme Court, that decision is likely to be overturned - along with dismantling the Affordable Care Act that protects 30 million Americans with health care in the middle of a pandemic, not to mention women's rights. Roe vs. Wade? Gone, just a matter of time. Regardless of how you feel about abortion, I submit that taking away the right of every woman to make that decision for herself after decades of the status quo represents a monumental step backwards in terms of personal rights and freedoms - well, rights not pertaining to straight white men, that is. But I'm getting off-topic so I'll return to my premise and conclude that yes, my life is much worse than it was when Obama was in charge. I think that actually applies to the vast majority of Americans, as COVID does not represent an anomoly - it's not an external event that has nothing to do with Trump's leadership as he'd like you to think - it's a direct result of his empowerment! Consider this: China tried to hide the SARS outbreak of 2008 just as they tried t hide COVID but American agents and the CDC played a major role in exposing the truth in time to stem the spread. However in 2019, the president of the United States was praising China's leadership and even in early 2020 he was on TV commending China's efforts in dealing with the virus - assuring us it was not threat to America. Forget everything he's done to hamper the efforts to get the virus under control since it exploded in America... I submit that it's the fault of himself and his global influence that this thing ever got out of control worldwide in the first place! He's done a 180 on China by calling it the "China virus," well I say we call it the "Trump virus!" To that end, Trump has made all of our lives SO much worse, worldwide!
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  • From Dennis Katsonis@1:124/5016 to Angela Walker on Monday, October 19, 2020 06:25:00
    Angela Walker wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

    Re: Re: Weakling
    By: Dennis Katsonis to Lee Lofaso on Tue Sep 08 2020 09:16 am

    I can list a few ways that Trump being president has tangibly and negatively affected my life in a real way!
    Under Obama, LGBT individuals such as myself had federal legal
    protections against discrimination. LGBT students could feel safe in public - they could use public restrooms without fear of legal action being taken against them - something that should be a basic human right for all Americans. LGBT employees had federal non-discrimination protections. Transgender persons could participate in the Armed
    Services. I could go on. Thanks to Trump, all of that has been
    reversed and then some. He's actually gone as far as to legally "disappear" transgender people by redefining gender in the legal
    context as an un-changeable binary determined by a doctor's glance at birth that can never be changed or modified on any legal documents recognized by his government. While I haven't been arrested for using
    a public restroom nor have I been discharged from service or fired
    because of who I am, knowing that those are the rules of the land has profoundly affected my psyche and self-esteem. I feel vastly less-safe
    as an LGBT American than I did under Obama - I feel at-risk when I go
    to work, when I go shopping, when I pay my bills, when I fill out
    forms, and very much so when I see a doctor or seek any sort of medical care. When Trump was elected, I knew it would be bad for LGBT Americans but he's done more to hurt us than I'd even imagined. His words when he asked the Supreme Court to rule that LGBT Americans have no legal protections against discrimination - and lost the case - "It's unfortunate. It's very unfortunate." So I have to live with knowing
    that the leader of my country believes it's very unfortunate that he couldn't officially legalize discrimination against people like myself. ... and now that he's installed his pet, Amy, into the Supreme Court,
    that decision is likely to be overturned - along with dismantling the Affordable Care Act that protects 30 million Americans with health care
    in the middle of a pandemic, not to mention women's rights. Roe vs.
    Wade? Gone, just a matter of time. Regardless of how you feel about abortion, I submit that taking away the right of every woman to make
    that decision for herself after decades of the status quo represents a monumental step backwards in terms of personal rights and freedoms -
    well, rights not pertaining to straight white men, that is. But I'm getting off-topic so I'll return to my premise and conclude that yes,
    my life is much worse than it was when Obama was in charge. I think
    that actually applies to the vast majority of Americans, as COVID does
    not represent an anomoly - it's not an external event that has nothing
    to do with Trump's leadership as he'd like you to think - it's a direct result of his empowerment! Consider this: China tried to hide the SARS outbreak of 2008 just as they tried t hide COVID but American agents
    and the CDC played a major role in exposing the truth in time to stem
    the spread. However in 2019, the president of the United States was praising China's leadership and even in early 2020 he was on TV
    commending China's efforts in dealing with the virus - assuring us it
    was not threat to America. Forget everything he's done to hamper the efforts to get the virus under control since it exploded in America...
    I submit that it's the fault of himself and his global influence that
    this thing ever got out of control worldwide in the first place! He's
    done a 180 on China by calling it the "China virus," well I say we call
    it the "Trump virus!" To that end, Trump has made all of our lives SO much worse, worldwide! --- SBBSecho 2.27-Win32

    I worry greatly that people will use their feelings to impact others.
    We see people being cancelled, being fired because of how people "feel".
    I have a real problem with this. I have a problem with action taken
    against others because some people think that this or that could happen.

    That is why I asked for tangible and real outcomes. Because its easy to
    say that this or that changes makes me feel bad. But does it impact
    you? Is there anything more to it than you fear and how you feel about
    it?


    If as a result of Trump, you were fired, denied a job, attacked, lost
    out financially, whatever, I can understand. That is what I wanted to
    know, and why I asked.

    You yourself admitted that these things you fear haven't actually
    happened.


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  • From Bryan Handfield@1:129/165 to Angela Walker on Saturday, October 31, 2020 22:55:00
    -=[ On 10-31-20 19:12, Angela Walker wrote to Dennis Katsonis below: ]=-
    -=[ Re: Re: Weakling ]=-

    Hi Angela Walker!

    in the middle of a pandemic, not to mention women's rights. Roe vs.
    Wade? Gone, just a matter of time. Regardless of how you feel about abortion, I submit that taking away the right of every woman to make
    that decision for herself after decades of the status quo represents a
    What about the rights of the unborn as a human being?

    Cheers,
    Bryan
    bhandfield(at)me(dot)com

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.3 to Bryan Handfield on Sunday, November 01, 2020 13:19:28
    On 31 Oct 2020, Bryan Handfield said the following...

    What about the rights of the unborn as a human being?

    I think there are rights all around including the woman who needs to make the decision to abort a pregnancy are not.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Zazz@1:124/5014.2 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, November 01, 2020 16:28:06
    What about the rights of the unborn as a human being?

    I think there are rights all around including the woman who needs to make decision to abort a pregnancy are not.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    Her right to decide to have a baby or not terminatd when she had unprotected sex. Once pregnant she is responsible for that life within her. She does not want the baby...fine, bear to full term and give the baby up for adoption. It will cost her nothing but the months of giving life.

    Abortionis the termination of a life within her...the life that didn't ask to be made and certainly didn't ask to be terminated.

    Question is, where would she be if her own maternal mom wanted to abort her?

    Since I am not female, my view won't be tolerated from the opposite sex. But my view is from the side, do I have the right to terminate (kill) life of someone?

    God Bless all and may He forgive us for our transgressions.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Angela Walker on Monday, November 02, 2020 00:45:04
    Hello Angela,

    I can list a few ways that Trump being president has tangibly and negatively
    affected my life in a real way!

    Here is a site I found that lists some of the things the Trump
    administration has done, and is doing -

    https://transequality.org/the-discrimination-administration


    Under Obama, LGBT individuals such as myself had federal legal protections >against discrimination. LGBT students could feel safe in public - they could >use public restrooms without fear of legal action being taken against them - >something that should be a basic human right for all Americans.

    Sure. But even so, this country is still short in regards to ensuring
    basic human rights for all Americans.

    LGBT employees had federal non-discrimination protections. Transgender
    persons could participate in the Armed Services. I could go on.

    And it would still be incomplete, as more needs to be done. Much more.

    Thanks to Trump, all of that has been reversed and then some.

    He wants to go back in time. Before the time of Abraham Lincoln.
    I am putting things nicely.

    He's actually gone as far as to legally "disappear" transgender people by
    redefining gender in the legal context as an un-changeable binary
    determined by a doctor's glance at birth that can never be changed or modified on any legal documents recognized by his government.

    I know a woman who is a man. I first met her when she was 14 years old. Actually, she was a he, but dressed as a she. At the time she was a
    school student and liked to play with other girls in her class. Well,
    the teacher also knew, so it was not like it was all some big secret.
    Anyway, a few years later she fell in love with a guy in the navy.
    And then she did what happens to lots of other girls. She got pregnant.
    That is when her real problems began.

    She and her fianc wanted to get married. But her government would
    not allow her to get married to a guy because her birth certicate said
    she was male. And she could not get her birth certificate changed to
    female.

    That is when she decided to go public.

    A very visibly pregnant man(?) went on television (the Today show)
    and was interviewed by Bryant Gumbell. This was some thirty years ago.
    I do not know if she wound up having a baby boy or a baby girl. But
    it was naturally conceived.

    The point I am getting at is we have two genders and five sexes.
    But many times we confuse them. Sometimes deliberately so.

    * male
    * female
    * pseudo-hermaphrodite
    * true-hermaphrodite
    * eunuch

    While I haven't been arrested for using a public restroom nor have I been
    discharged from service or fired because of who I am, knowing that those
    are the rules of the land has profoundly affected my psyche and
    self-esteem.

    The boy and girl in the Philippines were no different than any
    other boy and girl in the world. Except that one of them had to
    play by rules imposed upon him/her by his/her own government.

    I feel vastly less-safe as an LGBT American than I did under Obama - I feel
    at-risk when I go to work, when I go shopping, when I pay my bills, when I fill out forms, and very much so when I see a doctor or seek any sort of medical care.

    Gilead's theocracy. That's what they call it in Margaret Atwood's
    "The Handmaid's Tale". Maybe the current one will be called something
    else. The only good thing being this one would be incompetent.

    When Trump was elected, I knew it would be bad for LGBT Americans but he's
    done more to hurt us than I'd even imagined. His words when he asked the Supreme Court to rule that LGBT Americans have no legal protections against discrimination - and lost the case - "It's unfortunate. It's very unfortunate."

    With a 6-3 majority now in his favor, what do you think the ruling
    will be when it comes up for reconsideration? Think about it.
    7 Catholics, 2 Jews. One of those Jews being his own personal pick.
    And the other one a Catholic.

    So I have to live with knowing that the leader of my country believes it's
    very unfortunate that he couldn't officially legalize discrimination
    against people like myself.

    Oh, he has the numbers now. He really does have the numbers. Bigly.

    .. and now that he's installed his pet, Amy, into the Supreme Court, that >decision is likely to be overturned - along with dismantling the Affordable >Care Act that protects 30 million Americans with health care in the middle
    of a pandemic, not to mention women's rights. Roe vs. Wade? Gone, just a matter of time.

    Get your white wings and your red robe out ...

    Regardless of how you feel about abortion, I submit that taking away the
    right of every woman to make that decision for herself after decades of the status quo represents a monumental step backwards in terms of personal
    rights and freedoms - well, rights not pertaining to straight white men,
    that is.

    "I just think the most difficult thing to displace is privilege."
    ~ Sean Connery

    I am sure Sir Sean Connery was talking about white privilege ...

    But I'm getting off-topic so I'll return to my premise and conclude that
    yes, my life is much worse than it was when Obama was in charge. I think
    that actually applies to the vast majority of Americans, as COVID does not represent an anomoly - it's not an external event that has nothing to do
    with Trump's leadership as he'd like you to think - it's a direct result of his empowerment!

    I always thought the Chinese Flu had slanty eyes ...

    Consider this: China tried to hide the SARS outbreak of 2008 just as they
    tried t hide COVID but American agents and the CDC played a major role in exposing the truth in time to stem the spread. However in 2019, the
    president of the United States was praising China's leadership and even in early 2020 he was on TV commending China's efforts in dealing with the
    virus - assuring us it was not threat to America. Forget everything he's done to hamper the efforts to get the virus under control since it exploded in America... I submit that it's the fault of himself and his global influence that this thing ever got out of control worldwide in the first place! He's done a 180 on China by calling it the "China virus," well I say we call it the "Trump virus!" To that end, Trump has made all of our lives SO much worse, worldwide!

    He is incompetent. Never had a plan at all as to how to deal with
    the virus. Still has no plan. He was told about it, in plenty of time
    to prepare. He had all the experts at his disposal. And was not able
    to come up with any kind of plan as to what to do.

    This is not something one can just go through with. It is not something
    that will just go away on its own. The virus will continue doing its
    thing until it runs out of people to infect. It is that simple. Which
    is probably why he hasn't got a clue.

    --Lee

    --
    I think they bought a Jeep

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Bryan Handfield on Monday, November 02, 2020 00:45:10
    Hello Bryan,

    in the middle of a pandemic, not to mention women's rights. Roe vs. >AW>Wade? Gone, just a matter of time. Regardless of how you feel about >AW>abortion, I submit that taking away the right of every woman to make >AW>that decision for herself after decades of the status quo represents a

    What about the rights of the unborn as a human being?

    Male babies can get erections in the womb. That is absolute
    proof the unborn are human beings. At least males.

    --Lee

    --
    When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.3 to Zazz on Sunday, November 01, 2020 15:12:08
    On 01 Nov 2020, Zazz said the following...

    Her right to decide to have a baby or not terminatd when she had unprotected sex.

    I don't think so. A woman has the right to decide her own fate.

    This is not about unprotected sex. We may be talking about a child who was raped by her father, brother, uncle or family friend or someone else.

    Once pregnant she is responsible for that life within her. She does Za>
    not want the baby...fine, bear to full term and give the baby up for Za> adoption. It will cost her nothing but the months of giving life.

    This is a good option for a healthy baby. What if the pregnancy is dangerous for the mother or child?

    Abortionis the termination of a life within her...the life that didn't
    ask to be made and certainly didn't ask to be terminated.

    No it wasn't. If the pregnancy was unwanted or unexpected a decision will need to be made.

    Question is, where would she be if her own maternal mom wanted to abort her?

    There is no question here.

    Since I am not female, my view won't be tolerated from the opposite sex.

    Mine also, unless it was my child I hope I would have some input. I still think
    a woman has the right to make this decision.

    But my view is from the side, do I have the right to terminate (kill)
    life of someone?

    If you kill someone you will have some legal issues.

    When talking about abortion we are not talking about killing someone, we are talking about ending a pregnancy that might happen for any number of reasons.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Bryan Handfield on Sunday, November 01, 2020 18:09:33
    What about the rights of the unborn as a human being?

    You make a great point! But also, what about the rights of the father? I know a handful of fathers angry about having their child terminated without their consent.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Zazz on Monday, November 02, 2020 12:31:10
    Hello Zazz,

    What about the rights of the unborn as a human being? AI> AI> I
    think there are rights all around including the woman who needs to make AI> decision to abort a pregnancy are not.
    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    Her right to decide to have a baby or not terminatd when she had unprotected
    sex. Once pregnant she is responsible for that life within her. She does not want the baby...fine, bear to full term and give the baby up for adoption. It will cost her nothing but the months of giving life.

    No exceptions, such as rape and incest?
    What kind of sick puppy are you?

    Abortion is the termination of a life within her...the life that didn't ask
    to be made and certainly didn't ask to be terminated.

    You eat beans? Beans are aborted plants. Does that make farmers
    abortionists? What about the farmer's daughter? Would you want the
    farmer's daughter to have his baby? According to your logic, rape
    and incest would be okay. And she would be the one who is fault
    for not having unprotected sex.

    Question is, where would she be if her own maternal mom wanted to abort her?

    She shoulda swallowed. Best form of birth control there is.
    No pill needed. Or prescription. Or even having to have anybody
    else do it for you.

    But in the zazz theocracy that would be both a sin and a crime.
    So. Women cannot swallow in the Land of Zazz.

    Since I am not female, my view won't be tolerated from the opposite sex.
    But my view is from the side, do I have the right to terminate (kill) life
    of someone?

    Everybody knows it is a woman's right to choose. Either she swallows,
    or she does not swallow. It really is that simple. Nobody else can make
    that choice for her. Do realize vaginas are self-cleaning. So there is
    no need for absolution.

    God Bless all and may He forgive us for our transgressions.

    Of course! Women smile more than men. Much more. 62 times a day
    for women, versus 8 times a day for men. Or so I have been told.

    Barefoot and pregnant. The Goddess sure knows what She talkin' about!

    --Lee

    --
    No Trump! No KKK! No fascist USA!

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Alan Ianson on Monday, November 02, 2020 12:31:34
    Hello Alan,

    What about the rights of the unborn as a human being?

    I think there are rights all around including the woman who needs to make
    the decision to abort a pregnancy are not.

    In Saudi Arabia, Iran, and many other Islamic countries, women
    have no rights to abortion - or many other rights for that matter.
    So who gets to decide what rights are, and who is deserving to
    have said rights?

    --Lee

    --
    You're fired, Donald!

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, November 02, 2020 17:49:31
    Hello Aaron,

    What about the rights of the unborn as a human being?

    You make a great point! But also, what about the rights of the father? I
    know a handful of fathers angry about having their child terminated without their consent.

    Rape is a crime of violence. Such perps should be brought
    to justice and incarcerated for life.

    What about the rights of the victim? Why should the victim
    be forced to bring to term what a rapist did?

    --Lee

    --
    If it doesn't say Jiffy Lube, it's not Jiffy Lube

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, November 02, 2020 14:34:51
    What about the rights of the victim? Why should the victim
    be forced to bring to term what a rapist did?

    Democrats don't care about victims. If they did, they'd complain for the rights of the unborn.

    Just because some women are impregnated from rape, that does not mean all of them are. How about a police report first? And how about reparations for men who unwillingly lost their child to some skank?

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, November 02, 2020 16:02:16
    On 2 Nov 20 14:34, Aaron Thomas said the following to Lee Lofaso:

    Just because some women are impregnated from rape, that does not mean all o them are. How about a police report first? And how about reparations for me who unwillingly lost their child to some skank?

    The "rape and incest" argument from the pro-choice crowd is so laughingly inaccurate and the last resort when out of logical arguments. They would
    have you believe its such a pandemic and why the need for an abortion clinic made available on every street corner.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, November 04, 2020 02:03:54
    Hello Aaron,

    What about the rights of the victim? Why should the victim
    be forced to bring to term what a rapist did?

    Democrats don't care about victims. If they did, they'd complain for the
    rights of the unborn.

    Kamala Harris is a former prosecutor. I am sure she has prosecuted
    her fair share of rapists during her tenure as DA, and as state AG
    made sure prosecutors throughout her state also did the same.
    Putting rapists in prison so they can no longer harm others is
    what every prosecutor should do, regardless of political affiliation.

    Just because some women are impregnated from rape, that does not mean all of
    them are. How about a police report first? And how about reparations for
    men who unwillingly lost their child to some skank?

    A victim might not be able to file a police report. Could be a child
    who is dependent on the rapist for survival. A crime committed is still
    a crime, even if no police report is or has been filed.

    --Lee

    --
    Your Hole Is Our Goal

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, November 04, 2020 02:04:04
    Hello Aaron,

    What about the rights of the victim? Why should the victim
    be forced to bring to term what a rapist did?

    Democrats don't care about victims. If they did, they'd complain for the
    rights of the unborn.

    Just because some women are impregnated from rape, that does not mean all of
    them are. How about a police report first? And how about reparations for
    men who unwillingly lost their child to some skank?

    Is rape okay but not incest? Is incest okay but not rape? Is both rape
    and incest okay? What about those in mental institutions? And those in
    juvenile centers? What about shrinks who decide to have some fun with
    their patients? I know a woman who has three children, each child by
    a different personality. Every time she was holed up at a mental
    institution, she got preggers by a shrink. Wasn't really her fault ...

    --Lee

    --
    Probably the best beer in the world

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, November 04, 2020 02:04:13
    Hello Nick,

    Just because some women are impregnated from rape, that does not AT>mean
    all them are. How about a police report first? And how about AT>reparations for me who unwillingly lost their child to some skank?

    The "rape and incest" argument from the pro-choice crowd is so laughingly
    inaccurate and the last resort when out of logical arguments. They would
    have you believe its such a pandemic and why the need for an abortion
    clinic made available on every street corner.

    Let's see what the rest of the world thinks -

    https://reproductiverights.org/law-and-policy-guide-rape-and-incest


    Wow. Such "laughingly inaccurate" information. For all to read.
    And that is just the part on rape and incest.

    --Lee

    --
    Probably the best beer in the world

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, November 03, 2020 19:51:01
    On 04 Nov 20 02:04:13, Lee Lofaso said the following to Nick Andre:

    Let's see what the rest of the world thinks -

    LOL nah lets not, you fucking goon. Save your breath for the hurricanes.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, November 03, 2020 20:07:29
    A victim might not be able to file a police report. Could be a child
    who is dependent on the rapist for survival. A crime committed is still
    a crime, even if no police report is or has been filed.

    Some rape victims can't file a police report, but instead of making something 100% compatible with every American, we'll make it 99% compatible. You know there are people in jail wrongfully accused? So is your solution then to release all inmates at all jails? Because that's what Biden's pal Andrew Cuomo did in NY. Want to see that done for the whole country?

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to ANGELA WALKER on Saturday, November 07, 2020 12:47:00
    On 10-31-20, ANGELA WALKER said to DENNIS KATSONIS:

    Re: Re: Weakling
    By: Dennis Katsonis to Lee Lofaso on Tue Sep 08 2020 09:16 am


    I can list a few ways that Trump being president has tangibly and AW>negatively affected my life in a real way!
    Under Obama, LGBT individu



    The fact is nobody cared before, or cares now, what your particular sex deviance happens to be. Your sexual perversions are your own business.


    Its when you try to not only flaunt your degenerate self out in public such as to make a disgusting spectacle of yourselves in `parades', you are also *forcing* young children, who's parents might not approve, to hear and see it in classrooms, that objections should be raised.


    Its too bad that you and your ilk feel `put upon' because not each and every person think what you practice in the privacy of your bedroom, is all `peaches and cream'. Trying to *force* it into people's lives who do not care to have
    it pushed on them each and every day, is a little like tyranny.


    You people already have the exact same `rights' as the rest of Americans. You don't need `special' rights in order to live in this society.



    Tagline;


    "Show me a man who gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a
    crook!" ......Harry S. Truman








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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to ALAN IANSON on Saturday, November 07, 2020 16:06:00
    On 11-01-20, ALAN IANSON said to BRYAN HANDFIELD:


    On 31 Oct 2020, Bryan Handfield said the following...


    What about the rights of the unborn as a human being?


    I think there are rights all around including the woman who needs to make AI>the decision to abort a pregnancy are not.


    I engaged in an argument of this sort many years ago in here against a few of the `leftie' women who inhabited Fido at the time.


    Your sort usually speak of `the woman's right to choose'.


    Actually, a woman who gets pregnant has already MADE her choice!


    1. She chose not to take proper precautions to keep herself from getting pregnant. (And no....it isn't all the GUY'S responsibility. The woman is also one of the one's who made the decision to engage in activity that could end
    in a pregnancy)


    2. She chose not to make her male companion take proper precautions prior to sex.


    3. She is at least `half' responsible to do what's necessary to prevent
    getting pregnant.


    4. Women who allow their emotions (heat of the moment) to over-ride ordinary precautions or `common sense', and wind up pregnant should not be allowed to take the life of an unborn child, just because she doesn't have the emotional strength to control her physical passion long enough to take precautions, or insist her sex partner do so.


    After failing to control herself or at least take proper precautions, and winding up pregnant, the woman has already `made' her decision.


    Not being intelligent enough to take proper steps to keep herself from getting pregnant, what makes anyone think she has the intelligence to make a decision like ending the life of a human fetus?


    Tagline;



    "Think about it; Biden and Harris say if Trump is re-elected there will be
    more violence. Conversely, the violence will end if Biden and Harris are elected. That means the democrats are controling the violence!"



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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to ZAZZ on Saturday, November 07, 2020 13:38:00
    On 11-01-20, ALAN IANSON said to ZAZZ:

    On 01 Nov 2020, Zazz said the following...

    Her right to decide to have a baby or not terminatd when she had unprotected sex.


    I don't think so. A woman has the right to decide her own fate.


    The pro-abortion crowd always fall back on the same tired arguments to `justify' committing murder in the womb;


    This is not about unprotected sex. We may be talking about a child who was AI>raped by her father, brother, uncle or family friend or someone else.


    `Rape' is a very common one they bring up.


    This is a good option for a healthy baby. What if the pregnancy is AI>dangerous for the mother or child?


    There are two more

    .
    If the pregnancy was unwanted or unexpected a decision will
    need to be made.


    I recently saw a report that over 63 million babies have been aborted since
    the 1973 Roe v Wade decision.


    The Nazis were responsible for about 30 million deaths in WWII.


    That the deomcrats and other abortion supporters fail to see the parallel between those done to death by the Nazis and those done to death by American abortion mills, is grim irony at its worst. Especially since democrats are quick to throw the `Nazi' accusation out there at the least provocation.


    Tagline;


    "Kamala Harris is just Moica Lewinski with more ambition!"





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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to TIM RICHARDSON on Saturday, November 07, 2020 16:56:04
    Hello TIM,

    I engaged in an argument of this sort many years ago in here against a
    few of the `leftie' women who inhabited Fido at the time.

    Yep, I'll bet you did!

    Actually, a woman who gets pregnant has already MADE her choice!

    She may have chosen to get pregnant, or maybe she just had some sex.

    1. She chose not to take proper precautions to keep herself from
    getting pregnant. (And no....it isn't all the GUY'S responsibility.
    The woman is also one of the one's who made the decision to engage in activity that could end in a pregnancy)

    Some times (a man or a woman) has sex, simply to have sex. Because it feels good.

    2. She chose not to make her male companion take proper precautions
    prior to sex.

    Precausions are not always available when the heat is on.

    3. She is at least `half' responsible to do what's necessary to
    prevent getting pregnant.

    Indeed, it would be best to prevent pregnacy if it's not wanted.

    4. Women who allow their emotions (heat of the moment) to over-ride ordinary precautions or `common sense', and wind up pregnant should
    not be allowed to take the life of an unborn child, just because she doesn't have the emotional strength to control her physical passion
    long enough to take precautions, or insist her sex partner do so.

    Humans (men and women) are sexual animals. They have a lot of sex in their lifetimes and there is no good reason I can think of to control their passion. I think it is OK for men and women to express their passion as long as they aren't hurting anyone.

    After failing to control herself or at least take proper precautions,
    and winding up pregnant, the woman has already `made' her decision.

    You may be right. Maybe the woman wanted to get pregnant so great. If not then she can make her own decision. She doesn't need your approval.

    Not being intelligent enough to take proper steps to keep herself from getting pregnant, what makes anyone think she has the intelligence to
    make a decision like ending the life of a human fetus?

    She should make that decision herself, for herself in her situation.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Tim Richardson on Saturday, November 07, 2020 19:52:59
    "Think about it; Biden and Harris say if Trump is re-elected there will be more violence. Conversely, the violence will end if Biden and Harris are elected. That means the democrats are controling the violence!"

    This is too important to be just a tagline. Is Biden going to fire his protesters now? They're useless to him now. Let's see how long the protesting continues now that there's nothing left to gain from it.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to TIM RICHARDSON on Friday, November 13, 2020 10:24:01
    On 07 Nov 2020 at 12:47p, TIM RICHARDSON pondered and said...

    The fact is nobody cared before, or cares now, what your particular sex deviance happens to be. Your sexual perversions are your own business.

    Wow, you sound like you care a lot.

    You sound really threatened and triggered, snowflake.

    PS: Trump Lost. Get over it.

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  • From Angela Walker@1:129/165 to Dennis Katsonis on Friday, November 13, 2020 04:02:05
    Re: Re: Weakling
    By: Dennis Katsonis to Angela Walker on Mon Oct 19 2020 06:25 am

    Angela Walker wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

    Re: Re: Weakling
    By: Dennis Katsonis to Lee Lofaso on Tue Sep 08 2020 09:16 am

    I can list a few ways that Trump being president has tangibly and negatively affected my life in a real way!
    Under Obama, LGBT individuals such as myself had federal legal protections against discrimination. LGBT students could feel safe in public - they could use public restrooms without fear of legal action being taken against them - something that should be a basic human right for all Americans. LGBT employees had federal non-discrimination protections. Transgender persons could participate in the Armed Services. I could go on. Thanks to Trump, all of that has been reversed and then some. He's actually gone as far as to legally "disappear" transgender people by redefining gender in the legal context as an un-changeable binary determined by a doctor's glance at birth that can never be changed or modified on any legal documents recognized by his government. While I haven't been arrested for using a public restroom nor have I been discharged from service or fired because of who I am, knowing that those are the rules of the land has profoundly affected my psyche and self-esteem. I feel vastly less-safe as an LGBT American than I did under Obama - I feel at-risk when I go to work, when I go shopping, when I pay my bills, when I fill out forms, and very much so when I see a doctor or seek any sort of medical care. When Trump was elected, I knew it would be bad for LGBT Americans but he's done more to hurt us than I'd even imagined. His words when he asked the Supreme Court to rule that LGBT Americans have no legal protections against discrimination - and lost the case - "It's unfortunate. It's very unfortunate." So I have to live with knowing that the leader of my country believes it's very unfortunate that he couldn't officially legalize discrimination against people like myself. ... and now that he's installed his pet, Amy, into the Supreme Court, that decision is likely to be overturned - along with dismantling the Affordable Care Act that protects 30 million Americans with health care in the middle of a pandemic, not to mention women's rights. Roe vs. Wade? Gone, just a matter of time. Regardless of how you feel about abortion, I submit that taking away the right of every woman to make that decision for herself after decades of the status quo represents a monumental step backwards in terms of personal rights and freedoms - well, rights not pertaining to straight white men, that is. But I'm getting off-topic so I'll return to my premise and conclude that yes, my life is much worse than it was when Obama was in charge. I think that actually applies to the vast majority of Americans, as COVID does not represent an anomoly - it's not an external event that has nothing to do with Trump's leadership as he'd like you to think - it's a direct result of his empowerment! Consider this: China tried to hide the SARS outbreak of 2008 just as they tried t hide COVID but American agents and the CDC played a major role in exposing the truth in time to stem the spread. However in 2019, the president of the United States was praising China's leadership and even in early 2020 he was on TV commending China's efforts in dealing with the virus - assuring us it was not threat to America. Forget everything he's done to hamper the efforts to get the virus under control since it exploded in America... I submit that it's the fault of himself and his global influence that this thing ever got out of control worldwide in the first place! He's done a 180 on China by calling it the "China virus," well I say we call it the "Trump virus!" To that end, Trump has made all of our lives SO much worse, worldwide! --- SBBSecho 2.27-Win32

    I worry greatly that people will use their feelings to impact others.
    We see people being cancelled, being fired because of how people "feel".
    I have a real problem with this. I have a problem with action taken
    against others because some people think that this or that could happen.

    That is why I asked for tangible and real outcomes. Because its easy to
    say that this or that changes makes me feel bad. But does it impact
    you? Is there anything more to it than you fear and how you feel about
    it?


    If as a result of Trump, you were fired, denied a job, attacked, lost
    out financially, whatever, I can understand. That is what I wanted to
    know, and why I asked.

    You yourself admitted that these things you fear haven't actually
    happened.


    ... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
    === MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.29
    These things HAVE happened to people I know and care about. If I needed to look for a job right now it would likely affect me too. Here's another one, to expand on Trump's legal redefinition of gender: I cannot update my driver's license with my new address nor can I apply for an enhanced driver's license because under the current federal regulations, it would revert to my old identity - which would be very inaccurate and confusing to people looking to match the person in front of them with the person listed on the ID, not to mention it would be emotionally devastating for me. If Trump had won the election, I wouldn't be able to wait it out either because my license would need to be renewed within his second term.

    Also, these are legitimate things for someone like myself to fear! Asking someone to discount this level of institutionalized discrimination just because they haven't ye personally experienced a specific scenario, in my humble opinion, is not a fair point to make. Any decent human being should be concerned with institutionalized discrimination, racism, division of the populus, etc. Would you say to a black man, in this day and age, "you shouldn't worry about systemic racism because you personally have been lucky enough to avoid it?" It's the same thing - and people's feelings are valid. People's feelings are important. It's natural to "feel upset" if your government creates laws that discriminate against you for who you are. Feeling angry about that is the right way to feel - and taking action to combat that disrimination is also the right thing to do. "Liberty and Justice For All." --- SBBSecho 2.27-Win32
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  • From Angela Walker@1:129/165 to Bryan Handfield on Friday, November 13, 2020 04:26:37
    Re: Re: Weakling
    By: Bryan Handfield to Angela Walker on Sat Oct 31 2020 10:55 pm

    -=[ On 10-31-20 19:12, Angela Walker wrote to Dennis Katsonis below: ]=-
    -=[ Re: Re: Weakling ]=-

    Hi Angela Walker!

    in the middle of a pandemic, not to mention women's rights. Roe vs. Wade? Gone, just a matter of time. Regardless of how you feel about abortion, I submit that taking away the right of every woman to make that decision for herself after decades of the status quo represents a
    What about the rights of the unborn as a human being?

    Cheers,
    Bryan
    bhandfield(at)me(dot)com

    ... Bart, stop pestering Satan!!!
    I do not personally believe the rights of the unborn baby should ever usurp the right of the grown human being to make that choice for herself. I understand that dives into a much deeper philosophical realm wherein you and I have different beliefs as well - for instance I believe in reinacrnation so by my belief system the baby's soul would simply exit the body and ultimately be reborn somewhere else. But that's a can of worms I don't mean to open - let's just agree to disagree on all of that and limit the scope of the dispute to the applicable law. Here's what clinches it for me: There are lots of people who feel one way and think abortion should be absolutely illegal, often even in cases of rape, incest, even when the mother's life is put in immediate danger and the only way to save her is to abort the fetus. Then you have a lot of people who feel, like I do, that each individual should be given the freedom to weigh the decision for themselves and consider their own circumstances. One side of that argument wants to force their beliefs onto everyone else, whereas the other side wants to allow for freedom of choice. That makes it clear to me which side the law should take. We're talking about what's legal here, not what's moral. Abortion may be immoral but so is infidelity and it's not illegal. Saying hateful things to someone to make them feel bad is immoral but not illegal - unless you threaten violence, etc. This is one of those situations, again IMO, where the law should allow more freedom than does morality. Folks who believe abortion is wrong in any context have every right to teach their children this lesson, live by their own moral code, etc. but the law should allow for multiple points of view to exist and be legal.

    Hey, I know that you and I are never going to agree on this and if it makes you feel any better I'm not advocating abortion. I believe it should be reserved as a last-resort option for extreme situations myself but I really don't like government legislating away an individual freedom - any freedom. For instance I don't approve of or advocate recreational drug use, but I do believe we should stop prosecuting all non-violent drug crimes and eliminate the
    whole idea of a "possession charge" entirely. We should redirect all that funding from the war on drugs to education aimed at abuse prevention and efforts to help people who have a problem. We should also examine people's motivation for wanting to use drugs but that's a much longer-term set of changes to make over the long run - decades most likely. Again, I don't think that people should use recreational drugs, but they should have the personal freedom to make that decision for themselves - and to get help without consequence or shame if they make a mistake. I'm getting off on a tangent now so I'll cut myself off now, before I upset more people :)
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  • From Angela Walker@1:129/165 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, November 13, 2020 04:38:38
    Re: Re: Weakling
    By: Aaron Thomas to Bryan Handfield on Sun Nov 01 2020 06:09 pm

    What about the rights of the unborn as a human being?

    You make a great point! But also, what about the rights of the father? I kno a handful of fathers angry about having their child terminated without their consent.

    For what it's worth, I do too. My partner is a man who rasied two children with an ex-wife. He said the beginning of the end with her was when she decided to get an abortion. Apparently she didn't even tell him it was happening until after she'd done it.

    You make a good point. I believe it should ultimately be the woman's decision but any decent woman should heavily weigh her partner's opinion as well when making that decision.
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  • From Angela Walker@1:129/165 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, November 13, 2020 05:07:21
    Re: Weakling
    By: Lee Lofaso to Alan Ianson on Mon Nov 02 2020 12:31 pm

    Hello Alan,

    What about the rights of the unborn as a human being?

    I think there are rights all around including the woman who needs to make
    the decision to abort a pregnancy are not.

    In Saudi Arabia, Iran, and many other Islamic countries, women
    have no rights to abortion - or many other rights for that matter.
    So who gets to decide what rights are, and who is deserving to
    have said rights?

    --Lee

    --
    You're fired, Donald!

    I guess that depends on who you ask, but I would answer that everyone deserves certain rights and that it is a damn shame that some people do not. Equality would be one of those universal rights in my perfect world. It would not be acceptable to discriminate against anyone, anywhere in the world. Obviously there's a need for common sense like if a big fat man applied to be an attendant on an airplane or if an old man with a bad back applied for a very physically demanding occupation - so you cannot call those things discrimination - that's more a case of the individual just not being a good fit for the job and there needs to be a practical allowance for that. However nobody should be treated differently because of their skin color, sexual orientation, gender itself, religion, etc.

    I think a basic rule of thumb for what's allowed in society should tie back to whether or not the action in question harms another person - and since we've been on the topic, no, I'm not counting a fetus as a person. I support law that recognizes the infant as a person once its taken it's first breath. Generally speaking, I believe people should have the right (legally speaking) to cause harm to themselves but not in any significant capacity to others. I say significant capacity because of the argument that, say, calling someone a hurtful name could be defined as causing them harm - and again that's another example of something I feel is immoral and should be looked down upon but should not be made illegal. We should try to err on the side of allowing people as much personal freedom as possible within the constraints of stopping them from causing notable harm to others.

    With regard to who gets to make the rules, well that's a bit tougher to answer. Ultimately the people should make the rules - as in democracy - but obviously our current system is far from perfect. I wish we all got to vote on far more of the big issues that come up. Imagine if all Americans, for example, could log onto a special government website and vote on key issues like which proposed COVID stimulus package to pass (or whether to pass one at all for that matter). People could also vote on more localized issues based on where they live - state government, even local government like whether to approve a proposed public school budget. We could vote on everything from national law down to issues that affect just the town we live in. I think that would be neat! Perhaps a short list of issues to vote on could be submitted at each level of government - national, state, and local - and then citizens have one month to vote. Then next month you do it again. I fear anything more than a few key issues at each level, once a month, would become way too daunting really fast though! Oh, and obviously there should be retained certain core laws of the land and rights of the individual that cannot ever be usurped by vote. For example, you cannot let the people vote that it's now legal to shoot and kill anyone they want on Wednesdays :)
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  • From Angela Walker@1:129/165 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, November 13, 2020 05:16:03
    Re: Weakling
    By: Lee Lofaso to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 04 2020 02:03 am

    A victim might not be able to file a police report. Could be a child
    who is dependent on the rapist for survival. A crime committed is still
    a crime, even if no police report is or has been filed.

    --Lee

    Good point. And nobody on the pro-choice side is advocating "an abortion clinic" on every street corner, but more than one in the entire State would be nice! Texas?? Abortion is, and should remain, a rarity - but I cannot support making it illegal for everyone because half the people believe it's wrong 100% of the time.
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Angela Walker on Friday, November 13, 2020 09:04:47
    On 13 Nov 20 05:16:03, Angela Walker said the following to Lee Lofaso:

    Good point. And nobody on the pro-choice side is advocating "an abortion clinic" on every street corner, but more than one in the entire State would nice! Texas?? Abortion is, and should remain, a rarity - but I cannot sup making it illegal for everyone because half the people believe it's wrong 1 of the time.

    It is only my observation - and nothing more - That Planned Parenthood
    appears to make an industry out of abortion. What should be viewed as a last-resort choice for a woman is instead something to profit from and tends to have a very racially-charged motif.

    Do not engage with Lee the troll too much, you'll waste precious time
    and bytes you'll never get back.

    Nick

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Angela Walker on Friday, November 13, 2020 09:15:35
    of the big issues that come up. Imagine if all Americans, for example, cou log onto a special government website and vote on key issues like which

    I've seen an issue placed on a ballot before. It was concerning a road project. I thought that was great how the people were able to decide on it, rather than having some elected official do what they want.

    But this was a rare occurrance. It was in 2012 I think. Why not put all major issues on ballots? I like your idea too, but it sounds too techie for
    people who are not internet-literate.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Angela Walker on Friday, November 13, 2020 09:16:44
    On 13 Nov 20 05:07:21, Angela Walker said the following to Lee Lofaso:

    our current system is far from perfect. I wish we all got to vote on far m of the big issues that come up. Imagine if all Americans, for example, cou log onto a special government website and vote on key issues like which proposed COVID stimulus package to pass (or whether to pass one at all for

    LOL. This and other utopian fantasies such as healthcare-for-all all depend on one common flawed theme; that being the trust in big government to be able to run and administer such services efficiently; for a country of what? 320+ million people?

    The infrastructure and deployment that would be required is astronomical not
    to mention the cost and the obvious distrust of cybersecurity implications.

    Nick

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to ALAN IANSON on Saturday, November 14, 2020 17:10:00
    On 11-07-20, ALAN IANSON said to TIM RICHARDSON:

    Hello TIM,

    Not being intelligent enough to take proper steps to keep herself from getting pregnant, what makes anyone think she has the intelligence to
    make a decision like ending the life of a human fetus?


    She should make that decision herself, for herself in her situation.


    If her physical/emotional side was what influenced her to not take precautions to aviod an unwanted pregnancy, what makes anyone think she has the emotional stability to make a life or death decision over an unborn infant? Who speaks for the unborn infant? Democrats?


    Tagline;



    "Why are there no `women' in `The Hobbit'?"


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to TIM RICHARDSON on Saturday, November 14, 2020 22:08:55
    Re: Weakling
    By: TIM RICHARDSON to ALAN IANSON on Sat Nov 14 2020 05:10 pm

    If her physical/emotional side was what influenced her to not take precautions to aviod an unwanted pregnancy, what makes anyone think she has the emotional stability to make a life or death decision over an unborn infant?

    What makes you think she has the stability to care for the child?

    Who speaks for the unborn infant? Democrats?

    Yes, and the rights of the living.

    I don't see this as a left/right issue.

    A woman may get pregnant (wanted or not) regardless of her political leanings.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Angela Walker@1:129/165 to Dennis Katsonis on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 17:41:07
    Re: Re: Weakling
    By: Dennis Katsonis to Angela Walker on Mon Oct 19 2020 06:25 am

    Angela Walker wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

    Re: Re: Weakling
    By: Dennis Katsonis to Lee Lofaso on Tue Sep 08 2020 09:16 am

    I can list a few ways that Trump being president has tangibly and negatively affected my life in a real way!
    Under Obama, LGBT individuals such as myself had federal legal protections against discrimination. LGBT students could feel safe in public - they could use public restrooms without fear of legal action being taken against them - something that should be a basic human right for all Americans. LGBT employees had federal non-discrimination protections. Transgender persons could participate in the Armed Services. I could go on. Thanks to Trump, all of that has been reversed and then some. He's actually gone as far as to legally "disappear" transgender people by redefining gender in the legal context as an un-changeable binary determined by a doctor's glance at birth that can never be changed or modified on any legal documents recognized by his government. While I haven't been arrested for using a public restroom nor have I been discharged from service or fired because of who I am, knowing that those are the rules of the land has profoundly affected my psyche and self-esteem. I feel vastly less-safe as an LGBT American than I did under Obama - I feel at-risk when I go to work, when I go shopping, when I pay my bills, when I fill out forms, and very much so when I see a doctor or seek any sort of medical care. When Trump was elected, I knew it would be bad for LGBT Americans but he's done more to hurt us than I'd even imagined. His words when he asked the Supreme Court to rule that LGBT Americans have no legal protections against discrimination - and lost the case - "It's unfortunate. It's very unfortunate." So I have to live with knowing that the leader of my country believes it's very unfortunate that he couldn't officially legalize discrimination against people like myself. ... and now that he's installed his pet, Amy, into the Supreme Court, that decision is likely to be overturned - along with dismantling the Affordable Care Act that protects 30 million Americans with health care in the middle of a pandemic, not to mention women's rights. Roe vs. Wade? Gone, just a matter of time. Regardless of how you feel about abortion, I submit that taking away the right of every woman to make that decision for herself after decades of the status quo represents a monumental step backwards in terms of personal rights and freedoms - well, rights not pertaining to straight white men, that is. But I'm getting off-topic so I'll return to my premise and conclude that yes, my life is much worse than it was when Obama was in charge. I think that actually applies to the vast majority of Americans, as COVID does not represent an anomoly - it's not an external event that has nothing to do with Trump's leadership as he'd like you to think - it's a direct result of his empowerment! Consider this: China tried to hide the SARS outbreak of 2008 just as they tried t hide COVID but American agents and the CDC played a major role in exposing the truth in time to stem the spread. However in 2019, the president of the United States was praising China's leadership and even in early 2020 he was on TV commending China's efforts in dealing with the virus - assuring us it was not threat to America. Forget everything he's done to hamper the efforts to get the virus under control since it exploded in America... I submit that it's the fault of himself and his global influence that this thing ever got out of control worldwide in the first place! He's done a 180 on China by calling it the "China virus," well I say we call it the "Trump virus!" To that end, Trump has made all of our lives SO much worse, worldwide! --- SBBSecho 2.27-Win32

    I worry greatly that people will use their feelings to impact others.
    We see people being cancelled, being fired because of how people "feel".
    I have a real problem with this. I have a problem with action taken
    against others because some people think that this or that could happen.

    That is why I asked for tangible and real outcomes. Because its easy to
    say that this or that changes makes me feel bad. But does it impact
    you? Is there anything more to it than you fear and how you feel about
    it?


    If as a result of Trump, you were fired, denied a job, attacked, lost
    out financially, whatever, I can understand. That is what I wanted to
    know, and why I asked.

    You yourself admitted that these things you fear haven't actually
    happened.


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    I've had a few days to think about this, and I'd like to revise my reply - because the truth is I've been incredibly lucky compared to so many of my LGBT brothers and sisters.

    Suggesting with "these things you fear haven't actually happened [to you]" somehow invalidates or reduces the legitimacy of the original concern is not valid. In the case of a government ruling that amounts to institutionalized discrimination, the ruling itself constitutes (legitimate) injury to the individual! These are situations in which fear and disgust on the part of the citizens is the correct response. Something is wrong when one side is saying "Don't pay attention to how you FEEL. If it hasn't happened to you personally, don't think about it - and don't consider it when going out and making decisions." This really amounts to "disregard your conscience," or in the words of so many Trump supporters, "F*** YOUR FEELINGS." Perhaps if it doesn't feel right, if that part of you that knows right from wrong is clawing at the back of your mind, PERHAPS IT REALLY IS WRONG.

    Dr. Martin Luther King said - and I paraphrase because I don't have the quote in front of me, "We all begin to die on the day that we remain silent on that which matters to us."
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  • From Dennis Katsonis@1:124/5016 to Angela Walker on Wednesday, November 18, 2020 22:40:00
    Angela Walker wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

    Re: Re: Weakling
    By: Dennis Katsonis to Angela Walker on Mon Oct 19 2020 06:25 am

    Angela Walker wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

    Re: Re: Weakling
    By: Dennis Katsonis to Lee Lofaso on Tue Sep 08 2020 09:16 am

    I can list a few ways that Trump being president has tangibly and negatively affected my life in a real way!
    Under Obama, LGBT individuals such as myself had federal legal protections against discrimination. LGBT students could feel safe in public - they could use public restrooms without fear of legal action being taken against them - something that should be a basic human right for all Americans. LGBT employees had federal non-discrimination protections. Transgender persons could participate in the Armed Services. I could go on. Thanks to Trump, all of that has been reversed and then some. He's actually gone as far as to legally "disappear" transgender people by redefining gender in the legal context as an un-changeable binary determined by a doctor's glance at birth that can never be changed or modified on any legal documents recognized by his government. While I haven't been arrested for using a public restroom nor have I been discharged from service or fired because of who I am, knowing that those are the rules of the land has profoundly affected my psyche and self-esteem. I feel vastly less-safe as an LGBT American than I did under Obama - I feel at-risk when I go to work, when I go shopping, when I pay my bills, when I fill out forms, and very much so when I see a doctor or seek any sort of medical care. When Trump was elected, I knew it would be bad for LGBT Americans but he's done more to hurt us than I'd even imagined. His words when he asked the Supreme Court to rule that LGBT Americans have no legal protections against discrimination - and lost the case - "It's unfortunate. It's very unfortunate." So I have to live with knowing that the leader of my country believes it's very unfortunate that he couldn't officially legalize discrimination against people like myself. ... and now that he's installed his pet, Amy, into the Supreme Court, that decision is likely to be overturned - along with dismantling the Affordable Care Act that protects 30 million Americans with health care in the middle of a pandemic, not to mention women's rights. Roe vs. Wade? Gone, just a matter of time. Regardless of how you feel about abortion, I submit that taking away the right of every woman to make that decision for herself after decades of the status quo represents a monumental step backwards in terms of personal rights and freedoms - well, rights not pertaining to straight white men, that is. But I'm getting off-topic so I'll return to my premise and conclude that yes, my life is much worse than it was when Obama was in charge. I think that actually applies to the vast majority of Americans, as COVID does not represent an anomoly - it's not an external event that has nothing to do with Trump's leadership as he'd like you to think - it's a direct result of his empowerment! Consider this: China tried to hide the SARS outbreak of 2008 just as they tried t hide COVID but American agents and the CDC played a major role in exposing the truth in time to stem the spread. However in 2019, the president of the United States was praising China's leadership and even in early 2020 he was on TV commending China's efforts in dealing with the virus - assuring us it was not threat to America. Forget everything he's done to hamper the efforts to get the virus under control since it exploded in America... I submit that it's the fault of himself and his global influence that this thing ever got out of control worldwide in the first place! He's done a 180 on China by calling it the "China virus," well I say we call it the "Trump virus!" To that end, Trump has made all of our lives SO much worse, worldwide! --- SBBSecho 2.27-Win32

    I worry greatly that people will use their feelings to impact others.
    We see people being cancelled, being fired because of how people "feel".
    I have a real problem with this. I have a problem with action taken
    against others because some people think that this or that could happen.

    That is why I asked for tangible and real outcomes. Because its easy to
    say that this or that changes makes me feel bad. But does it impact
    you? Is there anything more to it than you fear and how you feel about
    it?


    If as a result of Trump, you were fired, denied a job, attacked, lost
    out financially, whatever, I can understand. That is what I wanted to
    know, and why I asked.

    You yourself admitted that these things you fear haven't actually
    happened.


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    I've had a few days to think about this, and I'd like to revise my
    reply - because the truth is I've been incredibly lucky compared to so many of my LGBT brothers and sisters.

    Suggesting with "these things you fear haven't actually happened [to
    you]" somehow invalidates or reduces the legitimacy of the original concern is not valid. In the case of a government ruling that amounts
    to institutionalized discrimination, the ruling itself constitutes (legitimate) injury to the individual! These are situations in which
    fear and disgust on the part of the citizens is the correct response. Something is wrong when one side is saying "Don't pay attention to how
    you FEEL. If it hasn't happened to you personally, don't think about it
    - and don't consider it when going out and making decisions." This
    really amounts to "disregard your conscience," or in the words of so
    many Trump supporters, "F*** YOUR FEELINGS." Perhaps if it doesn't
    feel right, if that part of you that knows right from wrong is clawing
    at the back of your mind, PERHAPS IT REALLY IS WRONG.

    Dr. Martin Luther King said - and I paraphrase because I don't have the quote in front of me, "We all begin to die on the day that we remain silent on that which matters to us."

    I did read your previous reply, and this one.

    The clarify, I am NOT saying that feelings are not real and are to be disregarded. What people feel is indeed real. I do not subscribe to the argument that a particular feeling or perception is automatically evidence of a wrongdoing. It can be, but not necessarily.

    There is a step in between, and that is to translate perception (how one feels their environment is), to an objective, empirical observation. If I fear something, but I am unable to level any definite charge against anyone, then what? We also have to ascertain the source of the fear. I know that the media creates a climate of fear, which if the level of fear stirred up is not warranted, places the media in blame, not the agent the media is saying is the problem.

    Now with regards to your personal circumstances, I wasn't trying to discount your feelings, but rather trying to get to the actual events which are the problem. If someone is scared of me, but I don't do anything to them, then what can I do? I can't do anything to alleviate it!

    That is the way I work. I've dealt with being lied about, where someone simply used their "feelings" as evidence to try to undermine me professionally. They refused (couldn't) actually bring up anything which justified their opionion, they used the fact they had their opinion as evidence that it was warranted. Circular reasoning, but when people fall for this logical fallacy, injustice results.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Angela Walker on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 09:50:40
    On 13 Nov 2020, Angela Walker said the following...

    LGBT students could feel safe
    public - they could use public restrooms without fear of legal acti
    being taken against them - something that should be a basic human r
    for all Americans.

    Kaitlyn Jenner (formerly Bruce Jenner) did not have any problem choosing a bathroom of his/her choice when visiting Trump Tower, why should you?

    Services. I could go on. Thanks to Trump, all of that has been
    reversed and then some. He's actually gone as far as to legally "disappear" transgender people by redefining gender in the legal
    context as an un-changeable binary determined by a doctor's glance
    birth that can never be changed or modified on any legal documents recognized by his government.

    Throughout the Campaign for Donald Trump for President, there was massive support for and from the LGBT community, so I have no idea what your talking about.

    and now that he's installed his pet, Amy, into the Supreme Cour
    that decision is likely to be overturned - along with dismantling t Affordable Care Act that protects 30 million Americans with health

    Wrong, the Affordable Care Act continues still today, the mandate was removed that said that the Government will charge you a fee for not having Health Care was removed.

    I have worked for Maximus the organization that administers the ACA for the
    New York State Marketplace. It is a horrible organization that does not have it together, people coming and going as if it is a revolving door.
    Plans within the ACA are bronze, silver, gold. platinum and catastrophic care. Which is a complete joke who can afford $ 600.00 to $ 900.00 a month for health care? The Affordable Health Act is not so affordable.

    Remember the Obama promise / Lie?
    Like your Doctor, you can keep your doctor. You will be saving $2500.00 a year.

    my life is much worse than it was when Obama was in charge. I think
    that actually applies to the vast majority of Americans, as COVID d
    not represent an anomoly - it's not an external event that has noth
    to do with Trump's leadership as he'd like you to think - it's a di
    result of his empowerment! Consider this: China tried to hide the S outbreak of 2008 just as they tried t hide COVID but American agent
    and the CDC played a major role in exposing the truth in time to st
    the spread. However in 2019, the president of the United States was praising China's leadership and even in early 2020 he was on TV
    commending China's efforts in dealing with the virus

    Wrong he was not commending China's efforts with the virus, he was commending them for buying American product from U.S. farmers.

    was not threat to America. Forget everything he's done to hamper t efforts to get the virus under control since it exploded in America
    I submit that it's the fault of himself and his global influence th
    this thing ever got out of control worldwide in the first place! He
    done a 180 on China by calling it the "China virus," well I say we
    it the "Trump virus!" To that end, Trump has made all of our lives
    much worse, worldwide! --- SBBSecho

    Were you asleep when the U.S.S. Comfort was sent to New York Harbor by the order of the President. Along with another hospital ship that was sent to
    the west coast by the same Presidential order.
    Along with makeshift hospitals were constructed that provided hundreds of hospital beds throughout NYC? That were never utilized.

    Well there it is a Covid vaccine from Pfizer.
    That will be available a lot sooner then what the leftist media has said.

    The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has scheduled a meeting of its Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC) on Dec. 10 to discuss the request for emergency use authorization (EUA) of a COVID-19
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    vaccine from Pfizer, Inc. in partnership with BioNTech Manufacturing GmbH.

    With the latest information found on the web at https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/counterterrorism-and-em erging-threats/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19#new

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  • From Steve Wolf@1:275/91 to All on Saturday, December 12, 2020 12:41:57
    The infrastructure and deployment that would be required is astronomical not to mention the cost and the obvious distrust of cybersecurity implications.


    Not only that but it would cost tooo much ;-)

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Steve Wolf on Sunday, December 13, 2020 08:41:05
    You wouldn't be the Steve Wolf from New York City would you be?

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