• It is what it is

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to All on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 03:17:04
    The latest quote of from Trump shows how he is managing the Covid
    pandemic. I.e. ignore it and expect it to go away on its own -- or let
    the states handle it.

    Is it any coincidence that most of the states that are running off the
    chart with number of infections and hospitalizations and deaths are in
    states with Republican governers who are following Trump's lead in what
    to do.

    One thousand plus deaths per day. more than 160,000 deaths overall.
    When will it end?

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 11:13:01
    On 05 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    Is it any coincidence that most of the states that are running off the chart with number of infections and hospitalizations and deaths are in states with Republican governers who are following Trump's lead in what
    to do.

    At one time our Northeastern area was very bad and now it is not even close
    to what it was.

    President was correct when he stated this is the China virus.
    The U.S. has done far more testing than any other county. When you test more you find what is called within the media as Media Gold - more cases

    At first we know nothing how to combat the unseen killer.
    Through the leadership of President Trump we now have PPE gear including ventilators and pharmaceuticals which have proven effective as indicated by Doctors from around the world.

    What's More Important?
    - Going to school or protesting?
    - Church or Protesting?
    - A loved one's funeral or Protesting?

    The only things Democrats let you do during Covid
    is protest riot and attack the Police.

    - Jim Jordon

    One thousand plus deaths per day. more than 160,000 deaths overall.
    When will it end?

    How many die each year from the flu?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 16:48:50
    One thousand plus deaths per day. more than 160,000 deaths overall.
    When will it end?

    Trying to make stuff sound like it's Trump's fault - when will that end?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, August 06, 2020 02:07:42
    Hello Greg,

    Is it any coincidence that most of the states that are running off the >DS>chart with number of infections and hospitalizations and deaths are in >DS>states with Republican governers who are following Trump's lead in what >DS>to do.

    At one time our Northeastern area was very bad and now it is not even close >to what it was.

    The number of people who are getting sick, and dying, are still far
    too high. Not just in New York, but everywhere.

    President was correct when he stated this is the China virus. The U.S. has
    done far more testing than any other county. When you test more
    you find what is called within the media as Media Gold - more cases

    Trump has no plan. And no idea how to devise a plan. He only reacts.
    We have seen the results. Nobody is happy, as the pandemic continues
    unabated, remaining out of control.

    At first we know nothing how to combat the unseen killer. Through the
    leadership of President Trump we now have PPE gear including
    ventilators and pharmaceuticals which have proven effective as indicated by >Doctors from around the world.

    Thanks to Trump's own incompetence, we do not have enough PPE gear
    or ventilators and pharmaceuticals that are desperately needed. The
    venitlators he ordered will not get here until 2022, and we the US
    taxpayers are paying five times more than the original deal.

    What's More Important?
    - Going to school or protesting?
    - Church or Protesting?
    - A loved one's funeral or Protesting?

    Staying alive. That is what is more important. Once dead, always dead.
    So death is not an option.

    The only things Democrats let you do during Covid is protest riot and attack
    the Police.

    The sound of democracy is loud. And can be very annoying. Had it
    not been for patriots being so loud and annoying, we never would have
    had a country. That is why we need more patriots to join the cause.
    It is the only way to save our democracy, and our country.

    - Jim Jordon

    He is no patriot.

    One thousand plus deaths per day. more than 160,000 deaths overall. >DS>When will it end?

    How many die each year from the flu?

    Well, let's ask the CDC, which has all the answers for that
    sort of question -

    Mortality rate for the flu in the US -

    * number of deaths - 6,515
    * deaths per 100,000 population - 2.0

    That is data for 2017, as provided by the CDC.

    Now let's compare those numbers with the coronavirus -

    Here are the mortality rates, per country, for the coronavirus -

    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality


    As of now, in the US, that mortality rate is 47.93 per 100,000 people.

    Wowie gee! The coronavirus is not just another kind of flu!
    And to think, we are not #1 in that category, as Boris Johnson
    and his beloved UK have honor. But not to worry. It won't take
    long for The Orange One to grab the Top Spot with schools about
    to open, along with football games being played everywhere.

    Don't get your panties all tied up in a knot. Dr. Fauci certainly
    isn't. And neither is Dr. Deborah Birx. Those two doctors are real
    doctors who actually know what they are talking about. Neither of
    them fly on airplanes, take the subway, or go to Trump rallies.

    There is more the CDC had to say -

    https://www.contagionlive.com/news/why-comparing-flu-covid-19-severity -not-equivalent


    With flu season arriving, we all may need two masks rather than one.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, August 06, 2020 02:07:48
    Hello Dale,

    The latest quote of from Trump shows how he is managing the Covid
    pandemic. I.e. ignore it and expect it to go away on its own -- or let the
    states handle it.

    Just shut your eyes and ignore it. Helluva plan. The man does not
    have a plan. He reacts. That is all he is capable of doing.

    Is it any coincidence that most of the states that are running off the
    chart with number of infections and hospitalizations and deaths are in
    states with Republican governers who are following Trump's lead in what
    to do.

    We have all drank the orange kool-aid. And now none of us can get
    it out of our system.

    One thousand plus deaths per day. more than 160,000 deaths overall.
    When will it end?

    It will end when we are all dead.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, August 06, 2020 04:16:42
    Hello Aaron,

    One thousand plus deaths per day. more than 160,000 deaths overall. >DS>When will it end?

    Trying to make stuff sound like it's Trump's fault - when will that end?

    At noon, on January 20, 2021.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 22:16:58
    One thousand plus deaths per day. more than 160,000 deaths overall. >DS>When will it end?

    Trying to make stuff sound like it's Trump's fault - when will that end?

    At noon, on January 20, 2021.

    I think you're right! That's when my people will be rejoicing and yours will be like "Well, I can't imagine spending another 4 years being bitter!"

    Liberals will embrace Trump culture in 2021, and they will learn to love it.

    You can do it, Lee. Look at me: I'm as conservative as can be and I live under the Cuomo monarchy. I eat liberal garbage for breakfast, and sure, I have an extremely overkill home security system to give me peace of mind, but it's all a mindgame - and I feel like I'm on top.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 21:15:42
    Hello Aaron,

    One thousand plus deaths per day. more than 160,000 deaths
    overall. When will it end?

    Trying to make stuff sound like it's Trump's fault - when will that
    end?

    I haven't read anyone blame Trump for the caronavirus. I have read many say that his response to it could/should have been better. It seems that he considered the problem to only be hurting blue states so he left it for "them" to deal with. It is hurting all states equally today and he still has no plan to bring the situation under control.

    States opened back up to quickly before the curve was flattened so now there are many new cases and deaths on a daily basis and now he wants schools opened back up in the middle of all that - when/where will that end?

    "It is what it is" - Donald Trump

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 21:54:42
    Hello Dale,

    The latest quote of from Trump shows how he is managing the Covid pandemic. I.e. ignore it and expect it to go away on its own -- or
    let the states handle it.

    He just doesn't seem to realize just how dangerous a pandemic can be, he was calling caronavis a hoax early on, thinking he could deflect that away with that kind of talk like he tried to do with the "Russia" hoax.

    Is it any coincidence that most of the states that are running off the chart with number of infections and hospitalizations and deaths are in states with Republican governers who are following Trump's lead in
    what to do.

    I think that is what we are seeing now, the result of states opening up to soon, before the curve was flattened.

    One thousand plus deaths per day. more than 160,000 deaths overall.

    I have never seen anything like it. Remember the armed protests to reopen states that took place a short time ago? All of us need to take this pandemic seriously.

    I have seen things I would not have believed six months ago.

    When will it end?

    I hope it will end at the first possible moment but it's not going away until we take the steps necessary.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, August 06, 2020 08:09:34
    On 06 Aug 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    The number of people who are getting sick, and dying, are still far
    too high. Not just in New York, but everywhere.

    The U.S. has tested over 60 MILLION Americans, far more than any other country in the world.

    Thanks to Trump's own incompetence, we do not have enough PPE gear
    or ventilators and pharmaceuticals that are desperately needed.

    You might want to tune in, when the President provides detailed information about the numbers of these supplies that we have here within the U.S.
    You might even learn something, but then you might also be in need of other medication to help your mind cope with the break away from your liberal ideologies which will be a catastrophic event.

    The sound of democracy is loud. And can be very annoying. Had it
    not been for patriots being so loud and annoying, we never would have
    had a country. That is why we need more patriots to join the cause.
    It is the only way to save our democracy, and our country.

    If you think for one moment that these people screaming about white
    privilege, demanding the de-funding the Police, creating carnage and chaos nearly everywhere they go, are in anyway equal to the folks of yesteryear then you're truly delusional. Many of them if not every single one of them; meaning those people from yesteryear would not think twice of assassinating this
    group of today.

    - Jim Jordon
    He is no patriot.

    You're not qualified or authorized to authenticate who Jim Jordon is or what
    he stands for because you know nothing; what it means to be a Conservative.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Thursday, August 06, 2020 17:29:52
    I haven't read anyone blame Trump for the caronavirus. I have read many say

    I'm impressed! The Canadian news isn't as crazy as the liberal USA news then.

    considered the problem to only be hurting blue states so he left it for "th

    However, this part sounds like news with a twist. All I know is New York. It was the world's epicenter at first, but now officials for the state of New York are claiming a victory with flattening the curve. This is the most liberal blue state in all of the USA (in my opinion.)

    Trump gave state governors autonomy with handling coronavirus. Some states have done poorly with reopening (Arizona, Florida, Texas) but the media (and Democrats) prefer to blame Trump instead of blaming Democratic state governors.

    How would the USA react if Trump were to deploy our military to enforce mask wearing? Or if he used the military to enforce social distancing? They're just opportunists looking for ways to make gay marriages gayer, to make abortions more painful, or to make counterfeit money more legal. Anyone who stands in the way of liberal policies as much as Trump does, is in for trouble.

    are many new cases and deaths on a daily basis and now he wants schools ope back up in the middle of all that - when/where will that end?

    Trump is "in favor" of reopening schools, but again, he's not dictating school openings; he's letting the governors control school reopenings. When those governers do a bad job, fingers will be pointed at Trump because his voice sounds like Sinatra.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, August 07, 2020 03:29:47
    Hello Aaron,

    One thousand plus deaths per day. more than 160,000 deaths overall. >LL>>DS>When will it end?

    Trying to make stuff sound like it's Trump's fault - when will that end? >LL> LL>At noon, on January 20, 2021.

    I think you're right!

    He might have to be dragged off the stage, assuming he even makes
    it onto the stage. But I seriously doubt he will even make it to the
    platform, much less step onto it.

    That's when my people will be rejoicing and yours will be like "Well, I
    can't imagine spending another 4 years being bitter!"

    Not to worry. Melania will console him. And then leave with her son
    for a better life. Apart from Donald.

    Liberals will embrace Trump culture in 2021, and they will learn to love it.

    Being a nice guy, President Biden will extend his hand in friendship
    to all. Including former Trumpsters. That way, we can all be one happy
    family. No more us versus them or democrats versus republicans or left
    versus right. Just one big happy family called America the Beautiful.

    You can do it, Lee.

    Yes we can! Just like Barack Obama always said! Yes we can!
    Hope and Change is coming to America! Isn't that wonderful?

    Look at me: I'm as conservative as can be and I live under the Cuomo
    monarchy.

    If you think that is fun, just you wait and see what Obama really
    meant by Hope and Change.

    I eat liberal garbage for breakfast,

    New York food, even if it is made by an Italian, is not the same as Pennsylvania Dutch. Which is why my great-grandfather walked on foot
    to Louisiana as soon as his ship from Italy docked in New York. You
    see, New Orleans had the largest macaroni factory in the US, and
    nobody in New York could make noodles like Italians in New Orleans.

    and sure, I have an extremely overkill home security system to give me peace
    of mind, but it's all a mindgame - and I feel like I'm on top.

    My great-grandfather never owned a car, and never bothered to learn
    how to drive. He had two feet, and was a cobbler. Made plenty shoes.
    As many as he needed to get wherever he wanted. Along with plenty of
    time. How else do you think he and my great-grandmother managed to
    make 13 kids?

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, August 07, 2020 03:29:56
    Hello Greg,

    The number of people who are getting sick, and dying, are still far
    too high. Not just in New York, but everywhere.

    The U.S. has tested over 60 MILLION Americans, far more than any other
    country in the world.

    The US has one of the worst records in regards to the number of
    tests per capita. Barely 60 million tests out of a total population
    of 320 million. That is horrible. And the turnaround for results
    makes many of those tests meaningless, as so much time has elapsed
    making it impossible to do contact tracing on those who have tested
    positive.

    The mortality rate (deaths per 100,000 people) clearly shows the
    US as having a problem. A huge problem, with the US now #4 in the
    world with 47.93 deaths per 100,000 people. Once schools open,
    and football season begins, the US will jump to #1 - which is now
    being held by the UK with 69.63 deaths per 100,000 people.

    You see, even if the US had done no testing at all, it would still
    have the same mortality rate of 47.93 deaths per 100,000 people.

    Thanks to Trump's own incompetence, we do not have enough PPE gear
    or ventilators and pharmaceuticals that are desperately needed.

    You might want to tune in, when the President provides detailed information >about the numbers of these supplies that we have here within the U.S. You
    might even learn something, but then you might also be in need of other
    medication to help your mind cope with the break away from your liberal >ideologies which will be a catastrophic event.

    Trump had several chances to get a better deal, but chose not to.
    Now we the taxpayers are stuck with a bill five times higher, and
    will not receive much-needed PPE until 2022. That is not due to
    "liberal ideologies", but his own bullheadedness and incompetence.

    The sound of democracy is loud. And can be very annoying. Had it
    not been for patriots being so loud and annoying, we never would have >LL>had a country. That is why we need more patriots to join the cause.
    It is the only way to save our democracy, and our country.

    If you think for one moment that these people screaming about white >privilege, demanding the de-funding the Police, creating carnage and chaos >nearly everywhere they go, are in anyway equal to the folks of yesteryear
    then you're truly delusional. Many of them if not every single one of them; meaning those people from yesteryear would not think twice of assassinating this group of today.

    People have a constitutional right to protest. You and others might
    not like it, but that is the American way. Best to get used to it.

    - Jim Jordon
    He is no patriot.

    You're not qualified or authorized to authenticate who Jim Jordon is or what
    he stands for because you know nothing; what it means to be a Conservative.

    Jim Jordan is no conservative. He is a horse's ass.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, August 06, 2020 20:46:56
    Not to worry. Melania will console him. And then leave with her son
    for a better life. Apart from Donald.

    Why would you wish for a marriage to fail? It's not good to wish bad things on others. It's good to be optimistic.

    Pennsylvania Dutch. Which is why my great-grandfather walked on foot
    to Louisiana as soon as his ship from Italy docked in New York. You
    see, New Orleans had the largest macaroni factory in the US, and

    I don't know what kind of advancements in macaroni we've had over the past 100 years, but NY has the best Chinese food, best Italian subs, spiedies, and best pizza compared with other states that I've tried.

    Watch a New Mexican try to make a pizza.. They put jalapenos in the sauce! I like jalapenos, but come on! The sauce isn't supposed to burn sphincters, the wings are!

    But if your great-grandfather was a seafood man, then I get it. We have crawfish here but nobody eats them. I don't have any idea of how to cook, peel, or eat them.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, August 06, 2020 22:38:38
    On 07 Aug 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Hello Greg,

    The number of people who are getting sick, and dying, are still far >LL>too high. Not just in New York, but everywhere.

    The U.S. has tested over 60 MILLION Americans, far more than any other
    country in the world.

    The US has one of the worst records in regards to the number of
    tests per capita. Barely 60 million tests out of a total population
    of 320 million. That is horrible. And the turnaround for results
    makes many of those tests meaningless, as so much time has elapsed
    making it impossible to do contact tracing on those who have tested positive.

    Actually it's over 61 Million (& climbing) tests that have been administered.

    football season begins, the US will jump to #1 - which is now
    being held by the UK with 69.63 deaths per 100,000 people.

    Football may still happen but there will not be any fans in the stands, at least that is what Met Life Stadium has indicated.

    Trump had several chances to get a better deal, but chose not to.
    Now we the taxpayers are stuck with a bill five times higher, and
    will not receive much-needed PPE until 2022. That is not due to
    "liberal ideologies", but his own bullheadedness and incompetence.

    It was Trump who had shut down Travel from China into the U.S.
    It was Trump who had shut down Travel from Europe into the U.S.
    Folks were advising against this action. (even Biden) but Trump did it anyway. Are you aware of how many millions lives that action alone saved?

    You really stop watching CNN and MSNBC that are not indicating the correct information and lean way way left. It's Nasty Nancy and Cry'n Chuck who sticking a monkey wrench eliminating any progress to move forward.

    People have a constitutional right to protest. You and others might
    not like it, but that is the American way. Best to get used to it.

    People have the right to peacefully assemble, doesn't say anything riots, burning and looting does it now? That is not the new normal, this choas in the streets will come to an end, one way or the other.

    Say it loud! Say it clear! / Refugees are welcome here!

    More stain on the American Tax payer, oh what the hell we are filthy rich, what's a few more?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, August 06, 2020 01:34:02
    On 08-05-20 11:13, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-

    Is it any coincidence that most of the states that are running off the chart with number of infections and hospitalizations and deaths are in states with Republican governers who are following Trump's lead in what
    to do.

    At one time our Northeastern area was very bad and now it is not even close to what it was.

    True, and the Democratic Governor got it under control.

    At first we know nothing how to combat the unseen killer.
    Through the leadership of President Trump we now have PPE gear
    including ventilators and pharmaceuticals which have proven effective
    as indicated by Doctors from around the world.

    Too little, too late. The medical system was and still is under strain
    for getting sufficient PPE. In many areas the hospitals are strained to
    over capacity. We do not have any effective treatment pharmaceuticals.

    What's More Important?
    - Going to school or protesting?
    - Church or Protesting?
    - A loved one's funeral or Protesting?

    How about a fair comparison: what's more important?
    going to school or having people get sick and die?
    going to church or having people get sick and die?
    going to a funeral or having people get sick and die?
    going to a political rally or having people get sick and die?

    The only things Democrats let you do during Covid
    is protest riot and attack the Police.

    Protesting is a constitutional right. Rioting is a crime. Do not
    confuse the two.

    One thousand plus deaths per day. more than 160,000 deaths overall.
    When will it end?

    How many die each year from the flu?

    Estimates seem to vary between less than 10,000 and 50,000. There is no comparison. A better question would be how many people might not have
    died if the federal government at least tried to do something about
    COVID instead of a policy somewhere between wishing it will soon go away
    and pushing blame to the states.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, August 06, 2020 01:48:04
    On 08-05-20 16:48, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    One thousand plus deaths per day. more than 160,000 deaths overall.
    When will it end?

    Trying to make stuff sound like it's Trump's fault - when will that
    end?

    DUH -- much of it is Trump's fault. He did not cause the disease, but
    his ignoring it for too long resulted in disasterous results. His
    recent and current statements have caused many Republican states to
    ignore the valid scientific advice to their peril.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, August 07, 2020 01:57:12
    On 08-06-20 17:29, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: It is what it is <=-

    However, this part sounds like news with a twist. All I know is New
    York. It was the world's epicenter at first, but now officials for the state of New York are claiming a victory with flattening the curve.
    This is the most liberal blue state in all of the USA (in my opinion.)

    New York has done great because of the leadership of its Governor. It
    did the right things and has squashed the virus outbreak there. You
    should be thankful to the leadership for that.

    Trump gave state governors autonomy with handling coronavirus. Some
    states have done poorly with reopening (Arizona, Florida, Texas) but
    the media (and Democrats) prefer to blame Trump instead of blaming Democratic state governors.

    You call it giving them autonomy -- I call it abandoning them to their
    own devices. Trump made the states bid against each other for critical supplies, thus driving up the prices. He could have and should have
    made a national unified effort and distribution. He even had FEMA
    stealing equipment that states had ordered and paid for.

    How would the USA react if Trump were to deploy our military to
    enforce mask wearing? Or if he used the military to enforce social distancing?

    That would never have been necessary. Instead he should have not told
    people not to wear masks nor practice social distancing. His constant
    repeat of that refrain is one of the reasons that so many of the Red
    states are now following his advice -- to the detriment of their
    citizens and at the cost of their lives.

    Trump is "in favor" of reopening schools, but again, he's not
    dictating school openings; he's letting the governors control school reopenings. When those governers do a bad job, fingers will be pointed
    at Trump because his voice sounds like Sinatra.

    Again -- a little bit of leadership and acceptance of responsible
    leadership and paying attention to his scientific advisors would have
    gone a long way. Instead what is happening is that some governors are forbidding local jurisdictions to take appropriate safety measures.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, August 06, 2020 23:41:58
    Hello Aaron,

    considered the problem to only be hurting blue states so he left
    it for "th

    However, this part sounds like news with a twist.

    Look at the facts.

    All I know is New York. It was the world's epicenter at first, but now officials for the state of New York are claiming a victory with
    flattening the curve.

    That disaster didn't happen because New York is blue. If that is true the challenge now is to keep new infections and deaths down as much as possible.

    This is the most liberal blue state in all of the USA (in my opinion.)

    California is also blue, a great success although caronvirus is still a problem
    there.

    Trump gave state governors autonomy with handling coronavirus.

    Of course state governors are reponsible for their states.

    Do you think a national plan might be in order in this crisis?

    The white house was going to present one. Jared Kushner was in charge of it but
    it was never presented and as of today there is no national plan.

    Even the CDC's guidelines were shelved in favor of a quick reopening.

    Some states have done poorly with reopening (Arizona, Florida, Texas)
    but the media (and Democrats) prefer to blame Trump instead of blaming Democratic state governors.

    The media (and Democrats) are not the enemy of the people as Trump tweets.

    If there was a national plan that included resources for problem areas it would
    be easier to make a dent in this crisis.

    How would the USA react if Trump were to deploy our military to
    enforce mask wearing? Or if he used the military to enforce social distancing?

    Masks and social distancing are good ideas but I hope you don't need to call in
    the military to make that happen!

    They're just opportunists looking for ways to make gay marriages
    gayer, to make abortions more painful, or to make counterfeit money
    more legal.

    Huh?

    Anyone who stands in the way of liberal policies as much as Trump
    does, is in for trouble.

    If you or Trump or whoever doesn't like liberal policies or ideas, just come up
    with a better more workable conservative policy and get started.

    are many new cases and deaths on a daily basis and now he wants
    schools ope back up in the middle of all that - when/where will
    that end?

    Trump is "in favor" of reopening schools, but again, he's not
    dictating school openings;

    Well yes, he is dictating. He ordered/demanded schools reopen or lose their funding. It's all much like what he did with states reopening although he doesn't have the power/authority to do that either.

    He doesn't have the power/authority for the secret police that have been rounding up people on the streets of Portland and elsewhere. Never the less, he
    does it anyway.

    Things like this make it hard for folks (even Republican's) to vote for him.

    he's letting the governors control school reopenings. When those
    governers do a bad job, fingers will be pointed at Trump because his
    voice sounds like Sinatra.

    Does his voice really sound like Sinatra? ;)

    Fingers are pointed at Trump for the things he has done. There will be more fingers pointed at him before he is done I am sure.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Friday, August 07, 2020 09:30:56
    recent and current statements have caused many Republican states to
    ignore the valid scientific advice to their peril.

    States have been in control this whole time. They do whatever they want. But when their plans go awry, they blame Trump. What if Trump was a Democrat? Then nobody would blame him for anything?

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Friday, August 07, 2020 13:46:06
    On 06 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    True, and the Democratic Governor got it under control.

    Yeah moving patients with Covid to a Nursing Home was super brilliant NOT !

    At first we know nothing how to combat the unseen killer.
    Through the leadership of President Trump we now have PPE gear including ventilators and pharmaceuticals which have proven effective as indicated by Doctors from around the world.

    Too little, too late. The medical system was and still is under strain for getting sufficient PPE. In many areas the hospitals are strained to over capacity. We do not have any effective treatment pharmaceuticals.

    What did we know when this CHINA Virus first came to here?

    I will say it again...

    At first we know nothing how to combat the unseen killer.
    Through the leadership of President Trump we now have PPE gear
    including ventilators and pharmaceuticals which have proven effective
    as indicated by Doctors from around the world.

    What's More Important?
    - Going to school or protesting?
    - Church or Protesting?
    - A loved one's funeral or Protesting?
    School has been closed there comes a time where you have to go back to
    school, church, work.
    It was also proven that isolating one self long enough will also has deadly effects.

    Protesting is a constitutional right. Rioting is a crime. Do not
    confuse the two.

    Does protesting include throwing rocks, bricks, frozen water bottles, using lasers to blind cops or firing fireworks at officers.
    Since when is that protesting?

    Estimates seem to vary between less than 10,000 and 50,000. There is no comparison. A better question would be how many people might not have died if the federal government at least tried to do something about
    COVID instead of a policy somewhere between wishing it will soon go away and pushing blame to the states.

    Or here another viewpoint.

    How many of people within the World's population wouldn't of died due to Covid if China did not unleash this upon the the World?

    This is not the Fault of President Donald Trump or anyone with the U.S.A.

    This irresponsibility sits squarely with the Chinese Communist Party.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, August 07, 2020 23:02:11
    Hello Aaron,

    Not to worry. Melania will console him. And then leave with her son
    for a better life. Apart from Donald.

    Why would you wish for a marriage to fail?

    Who sez the two of them even live together? Just because they
    remain legally married does not mean they share the same bedroom.
    Or even the same house. From what I understand, Melania and her
    son live with her parents, in a house far from 1600 Pennsylvania
    Avenue. It is only for official events that Melania travels to
    the White House. And even then, only if requested by Donald.

    It's not good to wish bad things on others. It's good to be optimistic.

    How is anything I have written wishing bad things on others?
    They choose their own lifestyle. She signed a pre-nuptial just
    before her husband took the oath of office. I do not know the
    details, as that is being kept hush-hush. But whatever it is,
    the two of them are happy. At least for the moment.

    Pennsylvania Dutch. Which is why my great-grandfather walked on foot
    to Louisiana as soon as his ship from Italy docked in New York. You >LL>see, New Orleans had the largest macaroni factory in the US, and

    I don't know what kind of advancements in macaroni we've had over the past
    100 years, but NY has the best Chinese food, best Italian subs, spiedies,
    and best pizza compared with other states that I've tried.

    Central Grocery's muffuletta sandwiches are so much better than
    Italian subs. And Chinese takeout in the French Quarter cannot be
    beat. And pizza on Bourbon Street is nothing like anything else
    in the whole world.

    Watch a New Mexican try to make a pizza.. They put jalapenos in the sauce! I
    like jalapenos, but come on! The sauce isn't supposed to burn sphincters,
    the wings are!

    In Hawai'i they put pineapple on hamburgers. In Georgia they put
    peaches on SPAM. No. I did that once. My cousin almost killed me.
    I survived only because I gave her the rest of my peaches.

    But if your great-grandfather was a seafood man, then I get it. We have
    crawfish here but nobody eats them. I don't have any idea of how to cook, peel, or eat them.

    Oh, that's easy. Pinch da tails, and suck da heads. That's all
    there is to it. So next time you're in Louisiana, look for any of
    several Cajun hangouts were crawfish boils are being held.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, August 07, 2020 23:02:19
    Hello Greg,

    The number of people who are getting sick, and dying, are still far >LL>>LL>too high. Not just in New York, but everywhere.

    The U.S. has tested over 60 MILLION Americans, far more than any other >LL>>country in the world.
    The US has one of the worst records in regards to the number of >LL>tests per capita. Barely 60 million tests out of a total population
    of 320 million. That is horrible. And the turnaround for results
    makes many of those tests meaningless, as so much time has elapsed >LL>making it impossible to do contact tracing on those who have tested >LL>positive.

    Actually it's over 61 Million (& climbing) tests that have been
    administered.

    The US has the fourth highest mortality rate in the world due
    to the coronavirus, at 47.93 deaths per 100,000 people. That number
    is behind only the UK, Peru, and Chile. The US will soon overtake
    the UK at the top spot, before the end of this month. The UK has
    a mortality death rate of 69.63 per 100,000 people. At 50,000 new
    cases per day, the US mortality rate is easily outpacing every
    country on earth. With a populationn of 320 million people, I will
    let you do the math as to how many people in the US will die as a
    result of the insane policies of your orange god.

    football season begins, the US will jump to #1 - which is now
    being held by the UK with 69.63 deaths per 100,000 people.

    Football may still happen but there will not be any fans in the stands, at
    least that is what Met Life Stadium has indicated.

    One more time. The virus does not care about who it infects, only
    how many it can infect. That number being as many as can be found to
    infect who can be infected. So, unless one is already infected ...

    Trump had several chances to get a better deal, but chose not to.
    Now we the taxpayers are stuck with a bill five times higher, and
    will not receive much-needed PPE until 2022. That is not due to >LL>"liberal ideologies", but his own bullheadedness and incompetence.

    It was Trump who had shut down Travel from China into the U.S.

    Fake news.

    It was Trump who had shut down Travel from Europe into the U.S.

    Fake news.

    Folks were advising against this action.

    Fake news.

    (even Biden) but Trump did it anyway.

    Many US citizens returning home from Europe (and elsewhere) were
    already infected.

    Are you aware of how many millions lives that action alone saved?

    Many lives were lost due to Trump's inaction and incompetence.

    You really stop watching CNN and MSNBC that are not indicating the correct >information and lean way way left. It's Nasty Nancy and Cry'n Chuck who >sticking a monkey wrench eliminating any progress to move forward.

    Has nothing to do with the news media, but everything to do with
    Trump and his administration's inability to handle this public health
    crisis. It is out of control, and he does not have a clue as to what
    to do about it. All he does is react. In his own incompetent way.

    People have a constitutional right to protest. You and others might
    not like it, but that is the American way. Best to get used to it.

    People have the right to peacefully assemble, doesn't say anything riots, >burning and looting does it now? That is not the new normal, this choas in
    the streets will come to an end, one way or the other.

    Do learn what the right to peaceable assembly means.

    Say it loud! Say it clear! / Refugees are welcome here!

    More stain on the American Tax payer, oh what the hell we are filthy rich,
    what's a few more?

    Just a few weeks ago, in the middle of July, some 250 Mexican
    nationals who had died of Covid-19 in NYC, all of them legally
    here, were not allowed to have a funeral Mass and a Christian
    burial. Instead, their bodies were cremated and then sent to
    Mexico. All of these people were legal immigrants.

    Burying the dead is one of the seven corporal works of mercy,
    part of the teachings of Jesus, and practiced by Christians around
    the world as a model for how to treat others. This includes feeding
    the hungry, and giving alms to the poor. But this country of ours
    has no mercy. It does not care about others.

    What we have in office today is a Satanic president. Maybe you
    are unable to see his horns. Or perhaps it is only beccause you
    refuse to look. Either way, he is still the epitome of evil.

    The US put the cremated remains of 250 Mexican nationals on
    board a Mexican army plane to be removed from our soil. Talk
    about shitty.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Friday, August 07, 2020 09:59:29
    New York has done great because of the leadership of its Governor. It

    What do you consider great? Having 20X more deaths than any other state? Forcing nursing homes to take covid patients out of hospitals and try to care for them? Infecting others at the nursing homes? Slaughtering hundreds of elderly NYers? Great leadership!

    made a national unified effort and distribution. He even had FEMA
    stealing equipment that states had ordered and paid for.

    You've got 2 conflicting sentences back to back. First you were calling for "unified distribution," but then you're complaining because that's precisely what FEMA did.

    Derrangement!

    That would never have been necessary. Instead he should have not told people not to wear masks nor practice social distancing. His constant

    I never heard Trump say "don't wear masks," or "drink bleach." That's what liberals wanted to hear but didn't. I DID hear Trump say "wear masks" and "I wear a mask."

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Friday, August 07, 2020 10:21:48
    Do you think a national plan might be in order in this crisis?

    Trump closed international travel, but not for illegals. To do that, he needs cooperation from Democrats that he already knows he's not getting.

    Democrats speak highly of illegal immigrants, but I have yet to hear them say "Illegal immigrants won't enter the USA if they have the coronavirus."

    Our southern border is the biggest joke in the world. Even people from China flock to Mexico when they can't get visas.

    So despite their best effort, how can anyone continue to allow undocumented humans and halt a virus at the same time?

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, August 07, 2020 17:33:25
    Who sez the two of them even live together? Just because they
    remain legally married does not mean they share the same bedroom.

    Why would you read a story about that? Let people have their privacy. There are couples who sleep in seperate beds, couples who have cob-webs down there, and couples who trade off with other partners. How do we know that they are wrong? If Trump is a bad husband to Melania, I could care less. I don't care if he chokes her, or murders her, as long as he doesn't sign liberal legislation. That's all I need from that guy!

    In Hawai'i they put pineapple on hamburgers. In Georgia they put
    peaches on SPAM. No. I did that once. My cousin almost killed me.
    I survived only because I gave her the rest of my peaches.

    Pineapple on hot pizza is great, but I haven't tried peaches on SPAM. It's bad? It sounds bad, I mean, I hate SPAM, but maybe the peaches minimize the tin flavor? I'll give it a try next time I find peaches and SPAM in the same room :)

    Oh, that's easy. Pinch da tails, and suck da heads. That's all
    there is to it. So next time you're in Louisiana, look for any of
    several Cajun hangouts were crawfish boils are being held.

    So you end up eating the heads?

    One time, a friend and I were at a Chinese buffet where they had crawfish. My friend couldn't see very well, and on the way home, I asked him "How could you eat the stuff? You were eating the heads and everything!" He was like "I was??" He said they were "crunchy." lol

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, August 07, 2020 17:42:46
    Many US citizens returning home from Europe (and elsewhere) were
    already infected.

    How would liberal media react if Trump barred Americans from returning?

    "Trump REFUSES to let Kung-Flu Americans return home."

    here, were not allowed to have a funeral Mass and a Christian
    burial. Instead, their bodies were cremated and then sent to

    Nobody is having funerals around here, due to covid-19. Did the morgue contact Trump for his explicit permission to have funerals in NYC? Did Trump reply by saying "Cremate them and reurn the ashes to Mexico?"

    The US put the cremated remains of 250 Mexican nationals on

    All this exploitation of Mexicans sounds like the work of Democrats, but I'm not always right. Did Trump order the cremation of 250 Mexican nationals, but allowed 250 caucasians to have full-blown funerals?

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to All on Friday, August 07, 2020 19:50:20
    Ibrahim Bouaichi, presumably a Democrat supporter, was in a Virginia jail on a rape charge. But Ralph Northam (D) and his goons decided to let "non-violent offenders" like Ibrahim Bouaichi (Rapist) out of jail to prevent the spread of covid-19.

    Luckily for Ibrahim, he was released. But instead of being a good boy and staying out of trouble, he decided to murder the rape victim.

    Now that we've addressed our primary concern, which is the health and safety of Ibrahim, let's check on our rape victim. Hmm, she seems awfully quiet. Oh yea! That's because she's dead. Looks like somebody won't be testifying
    in court!

    Why do Democrats love rapists so much? Is it their swagger? Or do we just love people with ambition? I'd ask Ralph Northam myself, but I'm too scared of the guy! People who highlight "Democrat achievements" usually don't do as well as Ibrahim did in jail.

    So what's next for Ibrahim now that jail is no longer on the menu? Maybe one of you guys would like to hire him? Or should we just fork over the foodstamps and let the man relax? It's got to be exhausting to be doing all that raping and murdering and getting all that praise from the governor.

    Ibrahim shot himself when he cops confronted him, but he survived. I think we should make a holiday for the guy, or maybe make August "Rape Awareness Month" to remind everyone that rapists are people too, and that jails are "icky."

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, August 07, 2020 21:40:20
    On 07 Aug 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    It was Trump who had shut down Travel from China into the U.S.

    Fake news.

    It was Trump who had shut down Travel from Europe into the U.S.

    Fake news.

    You're irrational and delusional
    even Dale Shipp knows these to be True Facts
    that Trump ordered both these items that your
    calling Fake News.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, August 08, 2020 01:38:00
    On 08-07-20 09:30, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-

    recent and current statements have caused many Republican states to
    ignore the valid scientific advice to their peril.

    States have been in control this whole time. They do whatever they
    want. But when their plans go awry, they blame Trump. What if Trump
    was a Democrat? Then nobody would blame him for anything?

    In this case it does not matter whether Trump is a Democrat (he once
    was) or a Republican -- what matters is his complete inadequacy at
    providing any leadership for dealing with this pandemic. What direction
    he did provide was to either ignore the virus or to be totally wrong in
    his statements. The tragedy is that many governors followed his
    ignorance instead of paying attention to science. If Trump had issued
    the proper guidance from the beginning, it is likely that 100,000 deaths
    might have been avoided. We currently are at more than 160,000 deaths.
    early on, the scientists showed a chart that predicted about 60,000
    deaths if the appropriate mitigation measures were taken. Those
    measures were not only ignored by Trump, he openly spoke against them
    and publically encouraged ignoring them.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, August 08, 2020 02:11:04
    On 08-07-20 13:46, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    On 06 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    True, and the Democratic Governor got it under control.

    Yeah moving patients with Covid to a Nursing Home was super brilliant
    NOT !
    Look at the numbers, not some anecdotal statement.

    At first we know nothing how to combat the unseen killer.
    Through the leadership of President Trump we now have PPE gear
    including ventilators and pharmaceuticals which
    have proven effective
    as indicated by Doctors from around the world.

    Too little, too late. The medical system was and still is under strain for getting sufficient PPE. In many areas the hospitals are strained to over capacity. We do not have any effective treatment pharmaceuticals.

    What did we know when this CHINA Virus first came to here?

    Not much, and the biggest impact came here from Europe.

    In early March, the White House officials declared that the US will have
    tested one million people that week and would thereafter complete four
    million tests per week. In fact, by the end of that week the CDC had
    completed only 4,000 tests.

    By the middle of March, it had been declared to be a pandemic. Meanwhile
    Trump is saying "we stopped it" as well as "I don't take responsibility
    at all".

    About that time, he also told the states to take care of getting PPE themselves, disavowing Fed responsibility.

    Protesting is a constitutional right. Rioting is a crime. Do not
    confuse the two.

    Does protesting include throwing rocks, bricks, frozen water bottles, using lasers to blind cops or firing fireworks at officers.
    Since when is that protesting?

    The things you mention are rioting, and are not done by the vast
    majority of the peaceful protesters. Some of whom were blinded by the
    police.


    Or here another viewpoint.

    A totally irrelevant viewpoint, based on facts not in evidence.

    How many of people within the World's population wouldn't of died due
    to Covid if China did not unleash this upon the the World?

    China did not "unleash" Covid-19. They discovered it.

    This is not the Fault of President Donald Trump or anyone with the
    U.S.A.
    This irresponsibility sits squarely with the Chinese Communist Party.

    Bull hockey pucks.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, August 08, 2020 04:07:06
    On 08-07-20 09:59, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    New York has done great because of the leadership of its Governor. It

    What do you consider great? Having 20X more deaths than any other
    state?

    You should try to fact check your statements. While NY state had more
    deaths than any other state, they were among the first to get hit hard
    but they have pulled back from that peak. The total number of deaths in
    NY is reported to be 32,336. CA has 10,197 deaths and climbing, a ration
    just over 3x -- not 20x as you claim.

    For the last seven days, NY has had zero deaths.

    In terms of total number of cases, NY is not even in first place. It
    ranks 4th behind CA, FL and TX.

    Forcing nursing homes to take covid patients out of hospitals
    and try to care for them? Infecting others at the nursing homes? Slaughtering hundreds of elderly NYers? Great leadership!

    That was done with recovering Covid patients at a time when the
    hospitals were running over capacity. When the mistake was realized,
    it was changed to only recovering Covid patients who had tested
    negative.

    made a national unified effort and distribution. He even had FEMA stealing equipment that states had ordered and paid for.

    You've got 2 conflicting sentences back to back. First you were
    calling for "unified distribution," but then you're complaining
    because that's precisely what FEMA did.

    No -- they hijacked equipment ordered and paid for the states at
    inflated prices. It is not clear what they did with those supplies,
    especially when Whitehouse officials declared that the national
    stockpile was not for the states to use.

    That would never have been necessary. Instead he should have not told people not to wear masks nor practice social distancing. His constant

    I never heard Trump say "don't wear masks," or "drink bleach." That's
    what liberals wanted to hear but didn't.

    He said that it was not necessary to wear a mask -- and that he would
    not wear one. He was recorded on one of his press conferences saying
    that since bleach is a good disinfectant, it might be a good idea to
    inject it as a cure.

    I DID hear Trump say "wear
    masks" and "I wear a mask."

    Much later -- but he still did not do what he said.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, August 08, 2020 08:59:09
    early on, the scientists showed a chart that predicted about 60,000
    deaths if the appropriate mitigation measures were taken. Those
    measures were not only ignored by Trump, he openly spoke against them
    and publically encouraged ignoring them.

    What measures?

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, August 08, 2020 09:10:30
    hospitals were running over capacity. When the mistake was realized,
    it was changed to only recovering Covid patients who had tested

    You should be Cuomo's campaign manager!

    No -- they hijacked equipment ordered and paid for the states at
    inflated prices. It is not clear what they did with those supplies,

    This is the first I've heard of FEMA being such a hustler. What did they have to gain by hoarding equipment?

    He said that it was not necessary to wear a mask -- and that he would

    Is it necessary to wear a mask? Last I heard, FEMA was advising to wear a mask to prevent the spread to others, but what if you don't have the virus? Then wouldn't you be just hoarding masks that others need?

    Much later -- but he still did not do what he said.

    If Trump wore a mask while addressing the USA, how would we know it's really him and not the Cobra Commander from GI Joe? If Trump didn't have the virus, then who was he hurting by not wearing a mask?

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, August 08, 2020 16:41:42
    Hello Greg,

    It was Trump who had shut down Travel from China into the U.S.
    Fake news.
    It was Trump who had shut down Travel from Europe into the U.S.
    Fake news.

    You're irrational and delusional

    Am I?

    even Dale Shipp knows these to be True Facts

    Does he?

    that Trump ordered both these items that your calling Fake News.

    You might want to rethink what you wrote.

    Trump's bogus travel ban did not stop travel from China into the US.
    Trump's bogus travel ban did not stop travel from Europe into the US.

    What Trump says and what he does are two very different things.

    For example, in his address to the nation on March 12, 2020 he
    stated that the United States will be "suspending all travel from
    Europe to the United States for the next 30 days."

    That is apparently what you are basing your claim on.

    However, the official proclamation released by the White House
    outlined several very important exceptions -

    * the ban does not apply to US citizens and lawful permanent residents
    or to their family members, spouses, legal guardians, siblings under
    the age of 21, and children.

    * crew members who work on airplanes and ships, diplomats, and
    government officials are exempt.

    * several European countries exempt - those that are not in the
    Schengen Area, the UK and Republic of Ireland (later included).

    * the end date is unclear

    You see, the only thing Donald Trump seems to do well is lie.
    He opens his mouth, and they never stop coming.

    Your claim about Trump having "shut down travel from China to the US"
    is as bogus as his own lies, as shown below -

    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel
    -restrictions/


    But hey. Let's not let facts get in the way of a good story ...

    --Lee

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, August 08, 2020 08:26:22
    Hello Aaron,

    Do you think a national plan might be in order in this crisis?

    Trump closed international travel, but not for illegals. To do that,
    he needs cooperation from Democrats that he already knows he's not getting.

    Yeah, sorta. But when I speak of a national plan I'm thinking more is needed to
    prevent further infections and deaths from covid-19 rather than saying "it's under control" or "be calm - it'll go away".

    Democrats speak highly of illegal immigrants, but I have yet to hear
    them say "Illegal immigrants won't enter the USA if they have the coronavirus."

    You are kind of free & loose with the term illegal. Democrats don't in fact support illegal immigrants although they do support immigration.

    Our southern border is the biggest joke in the world. Even people from China flock to Mexico when they can't get visas.

    I dunno why you bring up the Chinese but I agree you need a secure border. That's a complex issue and I doubt a wall will provide that. Your government officials both Democrat and Republican are going to have to put their heads together and come up with ways to do that.

    So despite their best effort, how can anyone continue to allow undocumented humans and halt a virus at the same time?

    In Canada there is still no travel except for essential travel. When folks do travel and return they have to self quarantine for 14 days.

    Something like that would be needed for anyone after travel regardless of their
    citizenship or reasons for travel.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    --- GoldED+/LNX
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, August 08, 2020 20:38:07
    You are kind of free & loose with the term illegal. Democrats don't in fact support illegal immigrants although they do support immigration.

    Every Democrat in the presidential primary debates stated that they were in favor of open borders. They openly said it. When we talk about "open borders" we mean it; for people to come and go as they please, with no documentation needed.

    In contrast, Republicans such as Trump support LEGAL immigration, meaning people with a visa should come to the USA to live as residents with the option of applying for citizenship.

    I dunno why you bring up the Chinese but I agree you need a secure border. That's a complex issue and I doubt a wall will provide that. Your governmen officials both Democrat and Republican are going to have to put their heads together and come up with ways to do that.

    The Democrats are not interested in securing the border, so there's nothing for them to discuss with Republicans. Sure, securing the border seems like a good idea to combat coronavirus, but the Democrats are not interested in combating coronavirus either.

    The coronavirus makes us weak. Democrats prey on the weak. The coronavirus opens many avenues of opportunities for the Democrats to offer handouts, criticize Trump, release inmates from prisons and jails, and get votes the sleazy way.

    Trust me, I'm not a negative person, but when there's negative stuff to point out, I'll point it out.

    In Canada there is still no travel except for essential travel. When folks travel and return they have to self quarantine for 14 days.

    We're keeping the border to your south pretty tight, but obviously it could use some work too, if your country is interested in containing people during the pandemic.

    What does Canada do with illegal immigrants? I mean, how do they handle it? I know the UK doesn't appreciate them much.

    Something like that would be needed for anyone after travel regardless of their citizenship or reasons for travel.

    There's never been a better time than now to combat illegal immigration, but here in the states, we're not gonna do it. We're not gonna combat it any more than we ever have before. It's not realistic for us based on the Democrat to Republican ratio in our federal government.

    So, we need to focus on this question:

    How do we get illegal immigrants to self quarantine when they get here?

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, August 09, 2020 00:36:00
    On 08-08-20 08:59, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    early on, the scientists showed a chart that predicted about 60,000
    deaths if the appropriate mitigation measures were taken. Those
    measures were not only ignored by Trump, he openly spoke against them
    and publically encouraged ignoring them.

    What measures?

    Pretty much what you keep hearing. Wear a mask when in contact with
    people, maintain 6ft social distance whenever possible, wash hands,
    expand testing and contact tracing (the last two are more recent -- the
    first four have been touted by scientists for a long time).

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, August 09, 2020 00:39:02
    On 08-08-20 09:10, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-

    He said that it was not necessary to wear a mask -- and that he would

    Is it necessary to wear a mask? Last I heard, FEMA was advising to
    wear a mask to prevent the spread to others, but what if you don't have the virus? Then wouldn't you be just hoarding masks that others need?

    In the very beginning, the public health workers had a severe shortage.
    At that time Focci and others asked that the public not hoard the K95
    masks so the the health workers could have them. Then as other cloth
    coverings became more available, it was said that all should wear masks.
    That is the response to your last sentence above.

    And wearing a mask helps to prevent your spreading the virus to others.
    You may well have the virus and be infectious, but not know it. It does
    also provide some protection to your getting infected.


    Much later -- but he still did not do what he said.

    If Trump wore a mask while addressing the USA, how would we know it's really him and not the Cobra Commander from GI Joe? If Trump didn't
    have the virus, then who was he hurting by not wearing a mask?

    Trump is easily recognizable with or without a mask. Who is he hurting
    by not wearing a mask? He is hurting all Americans who follow his
    example, encouraging them to not bother wearing a mask -- thus possibly spreading the infection to others that they come in contact with. A
    good leader leads by example. Trump is not doing that.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, August 09, 2020 06:15:02
    Trump is easily recognizable with or without a mask. Who is he hurting
    by not wearing a mask? He is hurting all Americans who follow his example, encouraging them to not bother wearing a mask -- thus possibly spreading the infection to others that they come in contact with. A
    good leader leads by example. Trump is not doing that.


    It's BS.... mind control... recall in the beginning... masks don't work...
    then they do... The first time in history they quarantined the healthy and
    not just the sick.... Apparently it's okay to go to Walmart but not church... it was okay to get an abortion but (at one time) you couldn't have elective surgery... You could have a BLM riot and burn down a city, with no masks,
    but you couldn't go to a family funeral.

    There is a lot of hypocrisy, some of which is more recognizable than Trump. The cure is worse that the disease ... Saw a meme the other day that rang true... I have a CHINA virus joke to tell you.... but there is a 99.9% chance you won't get it.

    The CHINA virus has done more damage to our civil liberties than it did
    affect our health..

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, August 09, 2020 08:48:15
    spreading the infection to others that they come in contact with. A
    good leader leads by example. Trump is not doing that.

    Maybe he didn't wear a mask at first, but now he does. He takes it off before he starts talking though, just like Biden. Sometimes I have to remove my mask so people could hear me too.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, August 09, 2020 07:52:14
    Hello Aaron,

    You are kind of free & loose with the term illegal. Democrats
    don't in fact support illegal immigrants although they do support
    immigration.

    Every Democrat in the presidential primary debates stated that they
    were in favor of open borders. They openly said it. When we talk about "open borders" we mean it; for people to come and go as they please,
    with no documentation needed.

    Open border and illegal immigrants are two different things.

    In contrast, Republicans such as Trump support LEGAL immigration,
    meaning people with a visa should come to the USA to live as residents with the option of applying for citizenship.

    What trump did in treating asylum seekers as criminals instead of the way asylum seekers had previously been treated, separating children from their parents will not help the situation at your border.

    The Democrats are not interested in securing the border, so there's nothing for them to discuss with Republicans. Sure, securing the
    border seems like a good idea to combat coronavirus, but the Democrats
    are not interested in combating coronavirus either.

    It may not be easy but America has to make a decision on what their border policy is and find a way forward.

    The coronavirus makes us weak. Democrats prey on the weak. The
    coronavirus opens many avenues of opportunities for the Democrats to
    offer handouts, criticize Trump, release inmates from prisons and
    jails, and get votes the sleazy way.

    The caronavirus does more that make us weak. It will kill us and destroy our health care system if we don't flatten, and keep on flattening the curve.

    It's not a black or white issue, or a Democrat or Repulican issue.

    We're keeping the border to your south pretty tight, but obviously it could use some work too, if your country is interested in containing people during the pandemic.

    We are not interested in containing people. We want to keep the spread of the coronavirus as low as possible.

    What does Canada do with illegal immigrants? I mean, how do they
    handle it? I know the UK doesn't appreciate them much.

    Deportation and/or inadmissibility are possible. Inadmissibility means that you
    would have no legal pathway to apply for Canadian citizenship.

    Something like that would be needed for anyone after travel
    regardless of their citizenship or reasons for travel.

    There's never been a better time than now to combat illegal
    immigration, but here in the states, we're not gonna do it. We're not gonna combat it any more than we ever have before. It's not realistic
    for us based on the Democrat to Republican ratio in our federal government.

    On the bright side the number of people currently entering the US is very low. Perhaps the caronavirus has something to do with that.

    So, we need to focus on this question:

    How do we get illegal immigrants to self quarantine when they get
    here?

    People simply should self quarantine after their travels. I don't know if there
    is a law like that in Canada but it is good practice and that's the guidance we
    get so that is what we do.

    People should do that in these times regardless of the reasons for their travel
    or the destinations.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, August 09, 2020 12:32:50
    On 08 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    Yeah moving patients with Covid to a Nursing Home was super brilliant NOT !
    Look at the numbers, not some anecdotal statement.

    Why would the Governor of New York bring people infected w/ Covid into a environment such as a nursing home; where people are most susceptible and most vulnerable to the covid-19 virus? That was a real bone-head move.

    At first we know nothing how to combat the unseen killer.
    Through the leadership of President Trump we now have PPE gear including ventilators and pharmaceuticals which
    have proven effective indicated by Doctors from around the world.

    Too little, too late. The medical system was and still is under stra for getting sufficient PPE. In many areas the hospitals are strained over capacity. We do not have any effective treatment pharmaceutical

    Says who? Have you ever seen one of the Presidents covid briefings?
    (apparently not) When the President talks about the massive numbers of PPE, DME (Durable Medical Equipment) as well as the enormous stockpile of pharmaceuticals on hand.

    What did we know when this CHINA Virus first came to here?

    Not much, and the biggest impact came here from Europe.

    Europe? The virus did not originate in Europe.
    Everyone (including you) knows that.
    By the way, I see very clearly what your attempting to do here, fog up the issue make it seem unclear and dissolve responsibility from China.

    Protesting is a constitutional right. Rioting is a crime. Do not confuse the two.

    Does protesting include throwing rocks, bricks, frozen water bottles, using lasers to blind cops or firing fireworks at officers.
    Since when is that protesting?

    The things you mention are rioting, and are not done by the vast
    majority of the peaceful protesters. Some of whom were blinded by the police.

    First of All: There it is. "The attempt" w/ they are not all bad,
    as if to suggest it is just some rotten apples among the basket.....
    Typical response from the left, the sad truth is you have no idea how many are rotten to the core, but I can guarantee you it is of a far greater number then you will say here. These are NOT a few instigators.

    Second of All: Not a single one - of these protesters were blinded by Police, As the Police do NOT use lasers to blind protesters, if they use them at all.

    "In Critical moments men sometimes see exactly what they wish to see."
    - Spock
    Yeah by the way, that's about you and not me - for the record.

    Exercise 1
    Here is a exercise you could try today. ( by the way NOT recommended )
    Walk up to an Antifa member and tell them that their efforts are pointless, because within your group there are very few who are violent.
    See what happens. Final Warning, This will not go well.

    Which proves my point, that your statement within context of rioting. was incorrect when you said the following
    "are not done by the vast majority of the peaceful protesters."

    But again if you doubt me then repeat Exercise 1 as many times as needed.
    Once will be effective to prove my point.

    China did not "unleash" Covid-19. They discovered it.

    Yeah they sure did... and they also did not contain it to China at all as people throughout the entire world have succumb to the China Virus many have died many more are recovering, You're welcome, don't mention it.

    By the way, The use of the word "Discover" would NOT be improper.
    Created would be a far better description to the truth.
    This was not something that already existed but actually was created in lab.

    This irresponsibility sits squarely with the Chinese Communist Party.

    Bull hockey pucks.

    Suggest Bull hockey pucks, all you wish, whatever the frig that means?
    What I have said is a true statement.

    "This irresponsibility sits squarely with the Chinese Communist Party."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, August 09, 2020 12:57:14
    Open border and illegal immigrants are two different things.

    I agree with you. Democrats want illegal immigration to become legalized; that's their definition of "open borders." If they get their way, they will have a tremendous amount of new voters with an appreciation for the Democratic Party.

    asylum seekers had previously been treated, separating children from their parents will not help the situation at your border.

    I agree, but separating children from people who may or may not be their
    actual parents might be a great thing to do for those kids. Separating children from people who snuck into the USA might be great for those children too.

    If I smuggled my kids into Canada by swimming across the St Lawrence River, and I got caught, would the Canadian authorities suspect that maybe I'm being a lousy parent?

    It may not be easy but America has to make a decision on what their border policy is and find a way forward.

    You're right! They need to work on immigration issues, both legal & illegal immigration issues, but neither party will budge on their position. Democrats are smart, whereas they won't do anything to weaken their party, but will do anything and everything to weaken their citizens. Republicans are smart too, whereas they won't risk losing votes. But the Democrats ultimately win on immigration, because the system is exactly where they want it to be.

    What does Canada do with illegal immigrants? I mean, how do they handle it? I know the UK doesn't appreciate them much.

    Deportation and/or inadmissibility are possible. Inadmissibility means that you would have no legal pathway to apply for Canadian citizenship.

    Sounds smart! I like it. But are Canadian liberals interested in changing that? Be cautious! Liberals can turn the world you live in upside down.

    People should do that in these times regardless of the reasons for their travel or the destinations.

    It would be a good idea to pray for bad people to change.

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  • From Dennis Katsonis@1:124/5016 to IB Joe on Monday, August 10, 2020 09:36:00
    IB Joe wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

    Trump is easily recognizable with or without a mask. Who is he hurting
    by not wearing a mask? He is hurting all Americans who follow his example, encouraging them to not bother wearing a mask -- thus possibly spreading the infection to others that they come in contact with. A
    good leader leads by example. Trump is not doing that.


    It's BS.... mind control... recall in the beginning... masks don't
    work... then they do... The first time in history they quarantined the healthy and not just the sick.... Apparently it's okay to go to Walmart but not church... it was okay to get an abortion but (at one time) you couldn't have elective surgery... You could have a BLM riot and burn
    down a city, with no masks, but you couldn't go to a family funeral.

    There is a lot of hypocrisy, some of which is more recognizable than Trump. The cure is worse that the disease ... Saw a meme the other day that rang true... I have a CHINA virus joke to tell you.... but there
    is a 99.9% chance you won't get it.

    The CHINA virus has done more damage to our civil liberties than it did affect our health..

    A lot of the measures in place now, were in place during the 1919 pandemic. Facemasks, shutting down interstate borders (in Australia), schools and business closing, etc and fines and jail for non compliance happened then too. At least in Australia.

    I agree the quarantine should have been targetted. Despite Victoria being locked down, many of the cases are in old-age homes, which is the LAST place you want a virus which disproportionally kills old people by an order or two of magnitude.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to IB Joe on Monday, August 10, 2020 03:41:29
    Hello IB Joe,

    Trump is easily recognizable with or without a mask. Who is he hurting >DS>by not wearing a mask? He is hurting all Americans who follow his >DS>example, encouraging them to not bother wearing a mask -- thus possibly >DS>spreading the infection to others that they come in contact with. A >DS>good leader leads by example. Trump is not doing that.

    It's BS.... mind control... recall in the beginning... masks don't work... >then they do...

    "The whole world is wearing face masks, even Donald Trump."
    ~ Berlingske, Denmark's oldest newspaper, complaining that Danes
    had positioned themses "to the right of Trump"

    The first time in history they quarantined the healthy and
    not just the sick....

    80-90 percent of people in Finland and Holland say they "never"
    wear masks when they go out.

    80-90 percent of people in Spain and Italy say they "always"
    wear masks when they go out.

    "From a medical point of view, there is no evidence of a medical
    effect of wearing face masks, so we decided not to impose a national obligation." ~ Dutch Medical care Minister Tamara van Ark

    Apparently it's okay to go to Walmart but not church...

    Even the pope admitted people cannot go back to church in
    prepandemic ways. Gotta find ways to do things different. Much
    different. But nobody knows how. Not even the pope. Anyway,
    as long as somebody gets me to church on time, I'm okay
    with that.

    it was okay to get an abortion but (at one time) you couldn't have elective
    surgery...

    To be quite honest, that is something I never really worried about.

    You could have a BLM riot and burn down a city, with no masks,
    but you couldn't go to a family funeral.

    During a lockdown nobody could go to a family funeral.
    The family would have to wait until the lockdown was lifted.
    And by then, there might not be a body to exhibit.

    Probably better to be an undocumented immigrant. That way,
    if you die, your body would be cremated and then sent to your
    country of origin. With the bill sent to your next of kin, if
    any next of kin can be found.

    There is a lot of hypocrisy, some of which is more recognizable than Trump.

    Of course. But what hypocrite is going to call himself/herself
    a hypocrite?

    The cure is worse that the disease ...

    Would you rather be dead or alive?

    Saw a meme the other day that rang true...

    I hear the bell tolling ...

    I have a CHINA virus joke to tell you....

    Nobody jokes about china. Especially after they drop it on the floor.

    but there is a 99.9% chance you won't get it.

    Chinatown.
    I love Chinatown.
    Especially Chinese Takeout in French Quarter.
    Best Egg Rolls ever.

    The CHINA virus has done more damage to our civil liberties than it did
    affect our health..

    I never caught virus from Chinese Egg Roll.
    That why always get two. Or three. Or more.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 10, 2020 03:41:35
    Hello Aaron,

    spreading the infection to others that they come in contact with. DS>A
    good leader leads by example. Trump is not doing that.

    Maybe he didn't wear a mask at first, but now he does. He takes it off
    before he starts talking though, just like Biden. Sometimes I have to
    remove my mask so people could hear me too.

    "We're asking everyboy that when you are not alone to socially
    distance, wear a mask, get a mask. Whether you like the mas or not,
    they have an impact. They'll have an effect. And we need everything
    we can get." ~Donald J. Trump

    "I will use it, gladly." ~Donald J. Trump

    "Anything that potentially can help is a good thing." ~Donald J. Trump

    Need more be said?

    "We're ... asking Americans to use masks, socially distance and
    employ vigorous hygiene - wash your hands every chance you get while
    sheltering high-risk populations. We are imploring young Americans
    to avoid packed bars and other croweded indoor gatherings. Be safe,
    and be smart." ~Donald J. Trump

    "I think your're oing to see something over the next fairly short
    period of time - maybe very short period of time - having to do with therapeutics and vaccines hat are very good." ~Donald J. Trump

    See there? Donald J. Trump and Dr. Anthony Fauci really are the
    best of friends. The very best of friends. Dr. Deborah Birx, too.

    --Lee

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    More Doctors Smoke Camels than Any Other Cigarette

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, August 10, 2020 03:41:43
    Hello Greg,

    [..]

    What did we know when this CHINA Virus first came to here? DS> DS>Not
    much, and the biggest impact came here from Europe.

    Europe? The virus did not originate in Europe. Everyone (including you)
    knows that. By the way, I see very clearly what your attempting to do here, fog up the issue make it seem unclear and dissolve responsibility from
    China.

    The coronavirus was first discovered in China. Then it spread to
    other countries, and eventually the entire world. That is the way
    viruses work. They spread from one place to another, and never
    stop until there is nobody left it can infect. Those infected in
    China traveled to Europe, and then to the USA. How difficult is
    that to understand?

    [..]

    The things you mention are rioting, and are not done by the vast >DS>majority of the peaceful protesters. Some of whom were blinded by DS>the
    police.

    First of All: There it is. "The attempt" w/ they are not all bad, as if to
    suggest it is just some rotten apples among the basket..... Typical
    response from the left, the sad truth is you have no idea how many are
    rotten to the core, but I can guarantee you it is of a far greater number then you will say here. These are NOT a few instigators.

    The right of the people to peaceably assemble is a constitutional
    right for all, not just those on the right or the left. Do read the
    First Amendment, and try to understand what it means.

    Second of All: Not a single one - of these protesters were blinded by
    Police, As the Police do NOT use lasers to blind protesters, if they use
    them at all.

    And George Floyd is still breathing just fine, while keeping his
    mother company. And let's not forget about all those black kids who
    were just playing dead after white cops shot them with blanks.

    [..]

    China did not "unleash" Covid-19. They discovered it.

    Yeah they sure did... and they also did not contain it to China at all as
    people throughout the entire world have succumb to the China Virus many
    have died many more are recovering, You're welcome, don't mention it.

    Nobody could contain the coronavirus. That is why it is a pandemic.

    By the way, The use of the word "Discover" would NOT be improper. Created
    would be a far better description to the truth. This was not something that already existed but actually was created in lab.

    Yeah. Right. By Morgus the Magnificent. Right here in New Orleans.

    --Lee

    --
    Hey hey! Ho ho! Donald Trump has got to go!

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 10, 2020 03:41:49
    Hello Aaron,

    spreading the infection to others that they come in contact with. A >DS>good leader leads by example. Trump is not doing that.

    Maybe he didn't wear a mask at first, but now he does. He takes it off
    before he starts talking though, just like Biden. Sometimes I have to
    remove my mask so people could hear me too.

    Trump has finally come to his senses, realizing that Dr. Anthony Fauci
    is right. Everybody, including himself, should always wear a mask in
    public. After all, the sight of orange hair can be very scary for young children.

    So, remember to drink your orange juice in the morning, and don your
    mask when leaving your house. That way, you will always be covered.

    --Lee

    --
    Make 7-Up Yours

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, August 09, 2020 17:50:50
    Hello Aaron,

    Open border and illegal immigrants are two different things.

    I agree with you. Democrats want illegal immigration to become
    legalized; that's their definition of "open borders." If they get
    their way, they will have a tremendous amount of new voters with an appreciation for the Democratic Party.

    Asylum seekers arriving at the border on American soil and asking for asylum is
    perfectly legal. That is how it's done. Then they have a hearing and the immigration department decides to give them asylum or not.

    It happens that way in Canada also.

    There is nothing new or illegal here and these people should not be treated like criminals.

    I agree, but separating children from people who may or may not be
    their actual parents might be a great thing to do for those kids. Separating children from people who snuck into the USA might be great
    for those children too.

    Nobody is sneaking.

    If I smuggled my kids into Canada by swimming across the St Lawrence River, and I got caught, would the Canadian authorities suspect that
    maybe I'm being a lousy parent?

    Probably yes, I don't recommend that!

    It may not be easy but America has to make a decision on what
    their border policy is and find a way forward.

    You're right! They need to work on immigration issues, both legal & illegal immigration issues, but neither party will budge on their position.

    Yes, there is a deep divide in the US these days.

    Democrats are smart, whereas they won't do anything to weaken their
    party, but will do anything and everything to weaken their citizens. Republicans are smart too, whereas they won't risk losing votes. But
    the Democrats ultimately win on immigration, because the system is
    exactly where they want it to be.

    Democrats are Americans, just like you. I don't think they are the enemy you seem to think they are. They are different sure, but they want law & order and secure borders the same as you do.

    Deportation and/or inadmissibility are possible. Inadmissibility
    means that you would have no legal pathway to apply for Canadian
    citizenship.

    Sounds smart! I like it. But are Canadian liberals interested in
    changing that? Be cautious! Liberals can turn the world you live in
    upside down.

    The current government in Canada is liberal, they hold a minority government. We swing back and forth between liberal and conservative here with a possibility of a ndp government some day, or one of a couple other smaller outfits.

    Buy and large Canadians sit at the center and don't mind going a little left or
    right. There is not such a big divide between left and right in Canada like there is in the USA although we do sometimes get cranky about politics and policies.

    People should do that in these times regardless of the reasons for
    their travel or the destinations.

    It would be a good idea to pray for bad people to change.

    Prayer is nice, it really is but what we need is leaders and actions that move things in a positive direction.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    --- GoldED+/LNX
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, August 09, 2020 21:51:42
    "We're asking everyboy that when you are not alone to socially
    distance, wear a mask, get a mask. Whether you like the mas or not,

    Did you forget to add something to that message? All these Trump quotes sound like excellent advice.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, August 09, 2020 21:52:52
    Trump has finally come to his senses, realizing that Dr. Anthony Fauci

    See? Now you can vote for him.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, August 09, 2020 22:14:07
    Asylum seekers arriving at the border on American soil and asking for asylu is perfectly legal. That is how it's done. Then they have a hearing and the

    There has been a change to this. Individuals who cross through a third country, but do not apply for asylum there first, will lose their right to apply for asylum in the USA. The move was challenged in the US Supreme Court, and was upheld.

    Nobody is sneaking.

    Haven't you heard about the underground tunnels? Human trafficking cartels? Wall jumpers? Swimming across the Rio Grande? This is all stuff that I'd
    call "sneaking."

    Democrats are Americans, just like you. I don't think they are the enemy yo seem to think they are. They are different sure, but they want law & order secure borders the same as you do.

    You lost me at the "law & order" part. Democrats are aligning with BLM & ANTIFA. There is non-stop violence in Portland, Oregon (of all places.) The Democrats want police defunded, inmates released early, and cheaper street drugs. It's not the version of "law & order" that I had in mind.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, August 09, 2020 20:30:14
    Hello Aaron,

    Asylum seekers arriving at the border on American soil and asking
    for asylu is perfectly legal. That is how it's done. Then they
    have a hearing and the

    There has been a change to this. Individuals who cross through a third
    country, but do not apply for asylum there first, will lose their
    right to apply for asylum in the USA. The move was challenged in the
    US Supreme Court, and was upheld.

    Indeed this part is new since Donald Trump put forward his new policy.

    It flies in the face of American and International law.

    Nobody is sneaking.

    Haven't you heard about the underground tunnels? Human trafficking cartels? Wall jumpers? Swimming across the Rio Grande? This is all
    stuff that I'd call "sneaking."

    This is a different and very real issue. It's the main reason I recommend against the wall that people will go over, under or around regardless of what it costs to put up, it gets you nowhere.

    Democrats are Americans, just like you. I don't think they are the
    enemy yo seem to think they are. They are different sure, but they
    want law & order secure borders the same as you do.

    You lost me at the "law & order" part. Democrats are aligning with BLM
    & ANTIFA.

    People who support BLM are Americans too, and these people are standing up for law & order and I don't think you need to fear an anti fascist ideology.

    #Antifa was one of Donald Trumps silly tweets, one of many.

    There is non-stop violence in Portland, Oregon (of all places.) The Democrats want police defunded,

    Rubbish. This is not now and never was a Democrat policy.

    inmates released early, and cheaper street drugs.

    More rubbish.

    It's not the version of "law & order" that I had in mind.

    I am aware.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    --- GoldED+/LNX
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)
  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ib Joe on Monday, August 10, 2020 03:03:00
    On 08-09-20 06:15, Ib Joe <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    Trump is easily recognizable with or without a mask. Who is he hurting
    by not wearing a mask? He is hurting all Americans who follow his example, encouraging them to not bother wearing a mask -- thus possibly spreading the infection to others that they come in contact with. A
    good leader leads by example. Trump is not doing that.


    It's BS.... mind control... recall in the beginning...

    masks don't work... then they do...

    Not ever a true representation -- in the beginning it was don't try to
    grab up the N95 masks that our medical staff so desperately need.

    The first time in history they quarantined the
    healthy and not just the sick....

    And again -- a mis representation. The the problem is that you cannot
    tell who is not infected without testing, and in the beginning hardly
    anyone could get tested.

    Apparently it's okay to go to Walmart but not church...

    Depends on how many people are there. Mass church gatherings and
    funerals became super spreader events. Any place where hundreds or more
    people are together without social distancing or masks are very risky.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


    ... Shipwrecked in Silver Spring, Maryland. 01:56:27, 10 Aug 2020
    ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 10, 2020 01:56:02
    On 08-09-20 08:48, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-

    spreading the infection to others that they come in contact with. A
    good leader leads by example. Trump is not doing that.

    Maybe he didn't wear a mask at first, but now he does. He takes it off before he starts talking though, just like Biden. Sometimes I have to remove my mask so people could hear me too.

    He has started wearing a mask on some occasions. Too little, too late
    after months of drilling into the minds of his followers that wearing a
    mask was not important, even that it was silly.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


    ... Shipwrecked in Silver Spring, Maryland. 01:58:54, 10 Aug 2020
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, August 10, 2020 03:05:04
    On 08-09-20 12:32, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-

    Why would the Governor of New York bring people infected w/ Covid into
    a environment such as a nursing home; where people are most susceptible and most vulnerable to the covid-19 virus? That was a real bone-head
    move.

    That was apparently done when it looked as if the people being moved
    were over COVID, and when their hospital bed was desperately needed for
    other patients who were sicker. After it was realized that "looking
    free of symptoms" was not equal to "not infectious" the practice was
    canceled.

    DS> over capacity. We do not have any effective
    DS> treatment pharmaceutical

    Says who? Have you ever seen one of the Presidents covid briefings? (apparently not) When the President talks about the massive
    numbers of PPE, DME
    (Durable Medical Equipment) as well as the enormous stockpile of pharmaceuticals on hand.

    Have you not seen any of the Presidents COVID briefings when he did not
    make some sort of exaggerated claim. Such as "by the end of the week,
    we will have 4 million tests" when in fact the number was closer to 4
    thousand. Such as "this malaria drug might cure COVID, what have you
    got to lose?" when in fact that drug has not been proven to help, and
    has been proven to be fatal for some. Have you not seen how often he
    directly contradicts his scientific experts sitting next to him, leaving
    them with attempting to walk back his spurious claims.

    What did we know when this CHINA Virus first came to here?

    Not much, and the biggest impact came here from Europe.

    Europe? The virus did not originate in Europe.

    I did not say it originated in Europe. I said that the biggest impact
    came here from Europe. Please read with a little bit of comprehension.

    Everyone (including you) knows that.

    Of course I (and you) know that it originated in China, most likely
    jumping from animal to human -- as has happened with other virus
    infections.

    By the way, I see very clearly what your attempting to do here, fog up
    the issue make it seem unclear and dissolve responsibility from China.

    Not at all. It originated in China. China did research to identify it.
    China took preventive measures to contain it. China did a much better
    job at doing that than the USA. So did most European countries.

    Protesting is a constitutional right. Rioting is a crime. Do not
    confuse the two.

    The things you mention are rioting, and are not done by the vast
    majority of the peaceful protesters. Some of whom were blinded by the police.

    First of All: There it is. "The attempt" w/ they are not all bad,
    as if to suggest it is just some rotten apples among the basket..... Typical response from the left, the sad truth is you have no idea how
    many are rotten to the core, but I can guarantee you it is of a far greater number then you will say here. These are NOT a few instigators.

    Here is a question for you to ponder. How many protesters were at
    Lafayette Square? How many were doing anything violent? How many were
    just standing there with their hands in the air when the police used
    flash bangs and corrosive gas on them as well as hitting with batons?

    Second of All: Not a single one - of these protesters were blinded by Police, As the Police do NOT use lasers to blind protesters, if they
    use them at all.

    I did not say that people were blinded with lasers. They were blinded
    with being hit in the eye with a rubber bullet.

    China did not "unleash" Covid-19. They discovered it.

    Yeah they sure did... and they also did not contain it to China at all
    as people throughout the entire world have succumb to the China Virus
    many have died many more are recovering, You're welcome, don't mention it.
    By the way, The use of the word "Discover" would NOT be improper. Created would be a far better description to the truth.
    This was not something that already existed but actually was created
    in lab.

    That is an unverified fake conspiracy rumor. There is no evidence to
    support such a charge.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


    ... Shipwrecked in Silver Spring, Maryland. 02:23:16, 10 Aug 2020
    ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 10, 2020 17:02:24
    Hello Aaron,

    Open border and illegal immigrants are two different things.

    I agree with you.

    Bill Gates wants open borders. Let everybody who wants to come
    here do so. Those who make it here will stay. Those who can't will
    leave. That is his philosophy.

    Democrats want illegal immigration to become legalized;

    Bill Gates wants to allow everybody to come here. That would mean
    no illegal immigrants, as per his own definition. Democrats have rules preventing illegal immigrants from coming here. Republicans, such as
    Donald Trump, have no problem allowing illegal immigrants become
    legalized, as he actually married one of them.

    that's their definition of "open borders."

    Let's make Puerto Rico a state.
    Let's make the US Virgin Islands a state.
    Let's make Guam and the Northern Marianas a state.
    Let's make American Samoa a state.
    Let's make Washington, DC a state.

    If they get their way, they will have a tremendous amount of new voters with
    an appreciation for the Democratic Party.

    Hawai'i just had an election yesterday. Total mail-in ballots.
    This was scheduled before the coronavirus pandemic, so please to
    not get your panties all tied up in a knot about it. Trump did
    not object to Hawai'i conducting elections that are 100% mail-in
    ballots. So what is his problem with states doing so for the
    upcoming presidential election?

    asylum seekers had previously been treated, separating children from
    their AI> parents will not help the situation at your border.

    I agree, but separating children from people who may or may not be their >actual parents might be a great thing to do for those kids. Separating
    children from people who snuck into the USA might be great for those
    children too.

    What is taking place is kidnapping. Not all children and parents
    have been able to be re-united due to what has happened. What to do
    with these kids? Oh, put them up for adoption. Somebody will be
    happy to pay for them ...

    If I smuggled my kids into Canada by swimming across the St Lawrence River,
    and I got caught, would the Canadian authorities suspect that maybe I'm
    being a lousy parent?

    Some folks go to Canada and jump off Niagara Falls. Others do it
    from the US side. Not sure which side their bodies turn up on.
    But some survive ...

    --Lee

    --
    If it doesn't say Jiffy Lube, it's not Jiffy Lube

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Alan Ianson on Monday, August 10, 2020 17:02:30
    Hello Alan,

    [..]

    Asylum seekers arriving at the border on American soil and asking for asylum
    is perfectly legal. That is how it's done. Then they have a hearing and the immigration department decides to give them asylum or not.

    Trump made up a rule to change that. In September 2019 the USSC
    decided to allow Trump's rule to remain in place until the courts
    decided the issue. As of now, the matter is still in the courts,
    with no decision made.

    --Lee

    --
    No justice! No peace!

    --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb
    * Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 10, 2020 17:02:36
    Hello Aaron,

    "We're asking everyboy that when you are not alone to socially >LL>distance, wear a mask, get a mask. Whether you like the mas or not,

    Did you forget to add something to that message? All these Trump quotes
    sound like excellent advice.

    My keyboar is getting ol, and some of the parts are breaking own.
    Usually the letter " " which makes everybo y look like everyboy.

    "No mas!" ~Roberto Duran to Sugar Ray Leonard, 8th round

    The one, and only time he ever took off his mask. The sight was so
    scary the referee declared Sugar Ray the winner by default.

    note: Roberto Duran was recently hospitalized with Covid-19, but
    survived. When he was released by the hospital, his victory over the
    virus was celebrated by everyone. But then, this was Hands of Stone,
    the only boxer who had ever defeated Sugar Ray Leonard in the ring.

    --Lee

    --
    Lock him up!

    --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb
    * Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 10, 2020 17:02:47
    Hello Aaron,

    Trump has finally come to his senses, realizing that Dr. Anthony LL>Fauci

    See? Now you can vote for him.

    Not until after he follows Dr. Fauci's footsteps and throws the first
    pitch for the Washington Nationals. At age 79, Dr. Fauci threw a pitch
    that was totally unhittable. Meanest curve ball I ever saw. He even
    wore a mask while throwing the pitch. After the game, he was named the
    MVP, and his baseball card sold out in record numbers.

    --Lee

    --
    Get Her Wet Here

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    * Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 10, 2020 17:02:54
    Hello Aaron,

    Asylum seekers arriving at the border on American soil and asking AI>for
    asylu is perfectly legal. That is how it's done. Then they have AI>a
    hearing and the

    There has been a change to this. Individuals who cross through a third
    country, but do not apply for asylum there first, will lose their right to apply for asylum in the USA. The move was challenged in the US Supreme
    Court, and was upheld.

    Fake news! Fake news! The USSC decided nothing. It merely allowed
    Trump's rule to remain in place until the matter was decided by the
    courts.

    Nobody is sneaking.

    Haven't you heard about the underground tunnels? Human trafficking cartels?
    Wall jumpers? Swimming across the Rio Grande? This is all stuff that I'd
    call "sneaking."

    That's what border control is for. And they do a very good job.

    --Lee

    --
    Love trumps hate!

    --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb
    * Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Monday, August 10, 2020 09:56:49
    There is non-stop violence in Portland, Oregon (of all places.) The Democrats want police defunded,

    Rubbish. This is not now and never was a Democrat policy.

    Bill Deblasio, mayor of NYC, has given in to protesters demands by shifting $1 billion dollars away from NYC police.

    https://abc7ny.com/defund-police-protesters-black-lives-matter-mayor-bill-de-b lasio/6284680/

    Other Democrats have followed suit.

    inmates released early, and cheaper street drugs.

    More rubbish.

    In New York, jail is already a thing of the past. In California, state
    prisons are letting inmates out "to protect them from covid," but I see it as a slap in the face to crime victims, and a way to save money.

    I wish this was all rubbish. My state is horrible, and these Democrat trends could lead to the destruction of the whole country if they get any more powerful.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, August 10, 2020 10:56:28
    Hello Lee,

    Asylum seekers arriving at the border on American soil and asking for
    asylum is perfectly legal. That is how it's done. Then they have a
    hearing and the immigration department decides to give them asylum or
    not.

    Trump made up a rule to change that. In September 2019 the USSC
    decided to allow Trump's rule to remain in place until the courts
    decided the issue. As of now, the matter is still in the courts,
    with no decision made.

    It's unfortunate that Donald Trump's executive orders are out of line with US and international law, and that the USSC didn't put it down as such.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    --- GoldED+/LNX
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)
  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 10, 2020 11:09:00
    Hello Aaron,

    Rubbish. This is not now and never was a Democrat policy.

    Bill Deblasio, mayor of NYC, has given in to protesters demands by shifting $1 billion dollars away from NYC police.

    That may be so. I don't know Deblasio or the reason he does what he does.

    But I know that defunding police is not a democrat policy.

    If we want police to accomplish x,y,z (and I think we do) then they should be given the training and funding to be able to accomplish that in a successful way.

    I think this idea of defunding police is unworkable. If we can fund programs that can make police more successful or efficient then that is a good thing.

    inmates released early, and cheaper street drugs.

    More rubbish.

    In New York, jail is already a thing of the past. In California, state
    prisons are letting inmates out "to protect them from covid," but I
    see it as a slap in the face to crime victims, and a way to save
    money.

    I can understand letting non violent criminals out if there is no safe place to
    put them. When courts decide a sentence, that sentence should be carried out.

    I wish this was all rubbish. My state is horrible, and these Democrat trends could lead to the destruction of the whole country if they get
    any more powerful.

    This program needs work. Rapists for example (as Arron said the other day) should not be released, in my opinion, since that is a violent crime.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    --- GoldED+/LNX
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)
  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, August 10, 2020 18:00:21
    On 10 Aug 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    The coronavirus was first discovered in China. Then it spread to
    other countries, and eventually the entire world. That is the way
    viruses work. They spread from one place to another, and never
    stop until there is nobody left it can infect. Those infected in
    China traveled to Europe, and then to the USA. How difficult is
    that to understand?

    I understood how viruses travel; before you spelled out how it works.
    When this thread began it looked like China was being given a pass, when it
    was said that large amounts of the infected were coming from Europe.
    Make no mistake, nothing that even renders close to provide a pass to China, should be attempted EVER!

    The FACTS are that Chinese did a lousy job of keeping this within China.
    The World Health Organization is not so innocent in this either as the WHO Chief was hand picked by China. The United States of America was the top contributor more then any other country to the World Health Organization in
    the world.

    Now, they do not get 10 cents from the U.S.A.

    It was Dale's statement that seemed to provide the pass that I was referring too...

    "biggest impact came here from Europe." Dale Shipp
    The biggest "epic center" was where the Virus was led out of the its creation point from within the Lab.
    Europe the biggest impact? - to use as phrase from Joe Biden: Malarkey
    You can could Europe into China nearly 4 times.

    And George Floyd is still breathing just fine, while keeping his
    mother company. And let's not forget about all those black kids who
    were just playing dead after white cops shot them with blanks.

    There was another "leaked video" of the events of what happened before he
    died. Do not misunderstand me as I will say here clearly the man did NOT deserve to die.
    This video does show everything that happened before the viral video that has seen by millions that has been a tearing at the Nations seams since it was released.

    Here is another prospective.
    George Floyd's death was tragic but I do not believe for one moment the
    carnage and chaos that has happened since does NOT have a thing to do with Floyd's death.

    Here is that other video (the one, we never got a chance to see) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPSwqp5fdIw

    As the video starts off.
    He could seem to understand the simple instructions provided by the cop.
    To put both hands on the wheel as he did not comply, he did so with the left hand only at first, the cop gave the instruction over and over again "put the both hands on the wheel!". I do not see him trying to resist arrest, but it is apparent that he was very terrified even made said "please don't shot me
    man." Again he was terrified, shaken and scared.

    Although as I say: Floyd was not complaint through most of the video. Either he did not understand or was stoned out of his mind.
    (it has been determined that he did have the narcotic fentanyl was found)

    Here are the the medical findings: https://www.independentsentinel.com/report-full-autopsy-of-mr-floyd-fentanyl-me th-and-pot/

    I do not see where Floyd was NOT combative just not was not at all coherent
    or following the instructions of the officer at 5:12 of the video Floyd says repeatably "I'm not that kind of guy, I think that this his way of indicating that was not trying to be difficult or combative. Like I have also stated he was not so good in following the instructions to any degree.
    Did he deserve to die: NO!
    Was he a good man: NO!
    Good men, do not pass off fake $20.00 bills for real ones, nor do they point a gun at pregnant womens belly. (As alleged in the media.)

    And let's not forget about all those black kids who
    were just playing dead after white cops shot them with blanks.

    To your baseless point (from above)
    about these black kids were never shot - playing dead ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    ^^ your words not mine. ^^

    The same is true about those innocent children shot and killed by stray
    bullets by those involved with the aftermath of Black on Black Crime and members of BLM but people on the left will say that was reported by Fox News and therefore it is considered to be Fake News.
    Keep telling yourself that also, never happened...

    By the way, The use of the word "Discover" would NOT be improper. Crea
    would be a far better description to the truth. This was not something t already existed but actually was created in lab.

    Yeah. Right. By Morgus the Magnificent. Right here in New Orleans.

    What's the matter Lee. Having a slight issue with that fact also.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Dale Shipp on Monday, August 10, 2020 12:15:40
    On 10 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 08-09-20 06:15, Ib Joe <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    Trump is easily recognizable with or without a mask. Who is he hurti by not wearing a mask? He is hurting all Americans who follow his example, encouraging them to not bother wearing a mask -- thus possib spreading the infection to others that they come in contact with. A good leader leads by example. Trump is not doing that.


    It's BS.... mind control... recall in the beginning...

    masks don't work... then they do...

    Not ever a true representation -- in the beginning it was don't try to grab up the N95 masks that our medical staff so desperately need.

    The first time in history they quarantined the
    healthy and not just the sick....

    And again -- a mis representation. The the problem is that you cannot tell who is not infected without testing, and in the beginning hardly anyone could get tested.

    Apparently it's okay to go to Walmart but not church...

    Depends on how many people are there. Mass church gatherings and
    funerals became super spreader events. Any place where hundreds or more people are together without social distancing or masks are very risky.


    Most of what you just said was bull shit....
    N.Y, and other larg liberal cities, say it's Okay to BLM riot without
    masks... but you can't go to church if there is a crowd of 10-25. Apparently casinos are open to the general public be churches are not.

    Earlier on...Dr. Fauci said shaking hands may be a thing of the past... like gone for ever.... But it was okay to get a Blow Job from a stranger on Tinder as long as it was concenting.

    Virus is real, response is political...

    :)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, August 10, 2020 20:52:11
    legalized, as he actually married one of them.

    Melania was an illegal?

    not object to Hawai'i conducting elections that are 100% mail-in
    ballots. So what is his problem with states doing so for the
    upcoming presidential election?

    Hawaii doesn't share a land border with thousands of Democrat activists from central America.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, August 10, 2020 21:01:36
    Not until after he follows Dr. Fauci's footsteps and throws the first
    pitch for the Washington Nationals. At age 79, Dr. Fauci threw a pitch

    Lee, you hilariously sound just like NPR.

    NPR, or "National Public Radio," is an American privately and publicly funded non-profit media organization based in Washington D.C. It's first air date
    was April 20, 1971, just 49 short years ago.

    It's funny how you bring in the historical, encyclopedial facts & figures. No disrespect intended.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, August 10, 2020 21:03:08
    That's what border control is for. And they do a very good job.

    Al was stating that the asylum sneakers don't sneak, but you're right about border patrol. They do a great job, and they need more support.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Monday, August 10, 2020 21:09:12
    But I know that defunding police is not a democrat policy.

    I don't know how else to describe it. It's not a Republican policy, but several Democrats are enacting it.

    I can understand letting non violent criminals out if there is no safe plac to put them. When courts decide a sentence, that sentence should be carried out.

    It would be nice if it worked that way, but we're actually letting murderers and rapists out. There is a thick fog around the meaning of "violent crime."

    It's ambiguous, and in NY for example, 2nd degree murder (unplanned/spontaneous) is not considered "violent," and we let those guys
    out of jail in time for the 6 o' clock news, so they can hear about their
    crime while having dinner with their families.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ib Joe on Monday, August 10, 2020 22:45:23
    On 10 Aug 20 12:15:40, Ib Joe said the following to Dale Shipp:

    N.Y, and other larg liberal cities, say it's Okay to BLM riot without masks... but you can't go to church if there is a crowd of 10-25. Apparent casinos are open to the general public be churches are not.

    Ever notice how that end-of-the-world doomsday climate change hysteria also took a backseat to BLM and Corona?

    Nick

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 10, 2020 23:27:18
    Hello Aaron,

    Al was stating that the asylum sneakers don't sneak,

    No, they don't. They need to approach someone at the border and ask for asylum.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 10, 2020 23:29:24
    Hello Aaron,

    But I know that defunding police is not a democrat policy.

    I don't know how else to describe it. It's not a Republican policy,
    but several Democrats are enacting it.

    It's not a democrat policy either.

    It's ambiguous, and in NY for example, 2nd degree murder (unplanned/spontaneous) is not considered "violent," and we let those
    guys out of jail in time for the 6 o' clock news, so they can hear
    about their crime while having dinner with their families.

    I wouldn't support anything like that and as far as I know nobody here about has been let out of jail.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, August 11, 2020 03:00:00
    On 08-10-20 18:00, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: It is what it is <=-

    I understood how viruses travel; before you spelled out how it works. When this thread began it looked like China was being given a pass,

    Not true.

    when it was said that large amounts of the infected were coming from Europe.

    That is the fact.

    Make no mistake, nothing that even renders close to provide a
    pass to China, should be attempted EVER!

    I guess your point of view is "if the facts disagree with my ideas, then
    they should not be published". It seems if you got that directly from
    Trump. It is what he does.

    The FACTS are that Chinese did a lousy job of keeping this within
    China.

    Tell us what they did so wrong in your opinion? They totally shut down
    Wohan where the virus was first found. They have done a much better job
    at limiting its spread than the USA has done.


    It was Dale's statement that seemed to provide the pass that I was referring too...

    "biggest impact came here from Europe." Dale Shipp

    That is the truth -- I guess you cannot handle the truth.

    The biggest "epic center" was where the Virus was led out of the its creation point from within the Lab.

    Present evidence that it was created within a lab. What do you know
    that the intelligence community does not know?

    Europe the biggest impact? - to use as phrase from Joe Biden:
    Malarkey You can could Europe into China nearly 4 times.

    And George Floyd is still breathing just fine, while keeping his
    mother company. And let's not forget about all those black kids who
    were just playing dead after white cops shot them with blanks.

    Here is another prospective.
    George Floyd's death was tragic but I do not believe for one moment
    the carnage and chaos that has happened since does NOT have a thing to
    do with Floyd's death.

    Floyd's death and its dramatic video evidence were the trigger or last
    straw to a long simmering unrest.

    Did he deserve to die: NO!

    That is the point of it all.

    Was he a good man: NO!

    How could the officers that participated in his murder have know
    anything about his history? To say that he deserved to die because "He
    was not a good man" is tandamont to issuing a vendeta against those who
    have made mistakes in their life.

    Good men, do not pass off fake $20.00 bills for real ones, nor do they

    It is not proven that he knows that he did that. Some fake bills look
    pretty real. Nothing that I have seen implies that he intentionally
    tried to pass fake money.

    point a gun at pregnant womens belly. (As alleged in the media.)

    Key words "as alleged", and true or not that is irrelevant to the
    incident.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Tuesday, August 11, 2020 08:19:02
    No, they don't. They need to approach someone at the border and ask for asy

    It's just like leaving the liquor cabinet unlocked with a house full of teenagers. They won't touch it because they know that they are too young to consume alcohol.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, August 11, 2020 08:30:03
    Wohan where the virus was first found. They have done a much better job
    at limiting its spread than the USA has done.

    I'm sure Joe Biden will commend the hell out of them for that.

    Floyd's death and its dramatic video evidence were the trigger or last straw to a long simmering unrest.

    Everything was fine until the Democrats & their associates exploited George Floyd's death. Was fine for whites, was fine for blacks. Nobody was complaining.

    It is not proven that he knows that he did that. Some fake bills look pretty real. Nothing that I have seen implies that he intentionally
    tried to pass fake money.

    It's not known that Derek Chauvin was culpable in the death. Nothing that I've seen implies that he purposefully committed homicide. Maybe it was all the meth that killed the counterfeit suspect.

    All I know for sure, is that we need to replace all the confederate statues with George Floyd statues.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, August 11, 2020 11:55:24
    On 11 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    I guess your point of view is "if the facts disagree with my ideas, then they should not be published". It seems if you got that directly from Trump. It is what he does.

    Getting information from Trump is far better then getting the narrative
    twisted from the likes of CNN or MSNBC any day of the week.

    How could the officers know anything about his history? To say that he deserved to die because "He was not a good man" is tandamont to issuing a vendetta against those who have made mistakes in their life.

    You are yet again attempting to twist this.
    The definition of tandamont; is as good as.
    There is no reference to the word vendetta.

    Good men, do not pass off fake $20.00 bills for real ones
    It is not proven that he knows that he did that.

    It is why the cops arrived on the scene.

    If George Floyd simply obeyed all of the officers commands, he would be alive today, but he calmed he was claustrophobic which is why the police had trouble getting into the back of the police car.

    From my observation he appeared to be cramped up within that vehicle that he was driving, he was flipping out then. Therefore there had to be another
    reason why he did not want to be arrested. Could it be because of another conviction or he would of been guilty of being in violation of his parole.

    Have you seen the destruction Minneapolis?
    I suspect that they (the media that you watch) don't care to show this.

    Url 1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txI_X8YniBc

    Url 2
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htcU0V-g9L4

    Does it look like this was done by just a few people, as you have suggested?

    Many Business owners have lost everything now that those buildings have been reduced to rubble.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, August 11, 2020 20:48:06
    Hello Greg,

    The coronavirus was first discovered in China. Then it spread to
    other countries, and eventually the entire world. That is the way >LL>viruses work. They spread from one place to another, and never
    stop until there is nobody left it can infect. Those infected in
    China traveled to Europe, and then to the USA. How difficult is
    that to understand?

    I understood how viruses travel; before you spelled out how it works. When
    this thread began it looked like China was being given a pass, when it
    was said that large amounts of the infected were coming from Europe. Make no
    mistake, nothing that even renders close to provide a pass to China,
    should be attempted EVER!

    Trump's fake travel ban was everything he claimed it was - FAKE!
    That is why so many infected people from Europe here able to get
    here.

    The FACTS are that Chinese did a lousy job of keeping this within China.

    China tried its best to keep it contained, but was unable to do so.
    Yes, China was slow in reporting about the virus to the WHO. How slow?
    Six days. Did those six days make any real difference as to containing
    the virus within China? Absolutely not.

    The World Health Organization is not so innocent in this either as the WHO
    Chief was hand picked by China. The United States of America was the top contributor more then any other country to the World Health Organization in the world.

    The United States could not have contained the virus had it been
    first discovered here. Did it even originate in China? Nobody really
    knows. It could have been latent for decades, in some rural area,
    literally anywhere in the world. Many historians believe the Spanish
    Flu might very well have originated in the United States, most likely
    in Kansas. Does that mean we should call it the American Flu?

    You do see how silly your leader is by calling the pandemic the
    Chinese Flu, or "Kung Flu" in his own words? This is no laughing
    matter. The entire world is dying as a result of this virus.

    Now, they do not get 10 cents from the U.S.A.

    Oh, China gets much more than 10 cents from the USA. So much more.
    In fact, China got the orange one's full attention. So much so, that
    your dear leader cannot get the Chinese leader's out of his mind.

    It was Dale's statement that seemed to provide the pass that I was referring
    too...

    "biggest impact came here from Europe." Dale Shipp

    Please do try to follow the bouncing ball -
    People who were infected in China traveled to Europe.
    People who were infected in Europe traveled to the USA.
    See how that works?
    People who were infected in one place infect other people
    in another place who then infect people somewhere else.
    And then people who travel everywhere infect people everywhere
    so it really makes no difference where they have been, where they
    are, or where they are going to.

    The biggest "epic center" was where the Virus was led out of the its
    creation point from within the Lab.

    There is no evidence to support your contention that the virus
    was created within a lab. Totally unsupported and unsubstantiated.

    Europe the biggest impact? - to use as phrase from Joe Biden: Malarkey

    The biggest impact is the entire world. People are dying everywhere.
    Not just in China, Europe, and the USA.

    You can could Europe into China nearly 4 times.

    The UK holds the top spot for the mortality death rate at 70
    per 100,000 people. The US is fourth at 50 per 100,000 people.
    It will not be long before the US holds the top spot. Whose
    fault is that? President Donald J. Trump.

    And George Floyd is still breathing just fine, while keeping his
    mother company. And let's not forget about all those black kids who >LL>were just playing dead after white cops shot them with blanks.

    There was another "leaked video" of the events of what happened before he >died. Do not misunderstand me as I will say here clearly the man did NOT >deserve to die. This video does show everything that happened before the
    viral video that has
    seen by millions that has been a tearing at the Nations seams since it was >released.

    Floyd was in constraints when his neck was being crushed by the
    officer's knee, suffocating him to death. Three other officers chose
    to do nothing to intervene, allowing the murder in slow motion to
    continue until well after Floyd was dead. And then all four murderers
    went back to their station to fill out their report.

    Here is another prospective.
    George Floyd's death was tragic but I do not believe for one moment the >carnage and chaos that has happened since does NOT have a thing to do with >Floyd's death.

    The only "carnage and chaos" that has happened was Trump's illegal
    use of force against peaceful protesters.

    Here is that other video (the one, we never got a chance to see) >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPSwqp5fdIw

    As the video starts off. He could seem to understand the simple instructions
    provided by the cop. To put both hands on the wheel as he did not comply,
    he did so with the left
    hand only at first, the cop gave the instruction over and over again "put
    the
    both hands on the wheel!". I do not see him trying to resist arrest, but it
    is apparent that he was very terrified even made said "please don't shot me
    man." Again he was terrified, shaken and scared.

    Well, whoop tee doo, the officers chose not to shoot him, deciding
    to suffocate him instead. What a wonderful way to die!

    Although as I say: Floyd was not complaint through most of the video. Either
    he did not understand or was stoned out of his mind. (it has been
    determined that he did have the narcotic fentanyl was found)

    There is no excuse for murder. Which is exactly what this was.

    Here are the the medical findings: >https://www.independentsentinel.com/report-full-autopsy-of-mr-floyd-fentanyl-me
    th-and-pot/

    I do not see where Floyd was NOT combative just not was not at all coherent >or following the instructions of the officer at 5:12 of the video Floyd says >repeatably "I'm not that kind of guy, I think that this his way of
    indicating
    that was not trying to be difficult or combative. Like I have also stated he >was not so good in following the instructions to any degree. Did he deserve
    to die: NO! Was he a good man: NO! Good men, do not pass off fake $20.00 bills for real ones, nor do they point a gun at pregnant womens belly. (As alleged in the media.)

    Regardless of what your opinion might be, it is totally irrelevant
    as to whether Floyd was a "good" man or a "bad" man. There simply is
    no excuse for any officer to murder a suspect, especially a suspect
    who was already in constraints and on the ground, with three other
    officers around for backup.

    Was Floyd guilty of having committed a crime? Let the courts decide.
    It is not up to the officers to decide innocence or guilt of anyone.
    And especially not by snuffing out the life of the accused by using
    a knee.

    I mean, officers do have guns, which presumably are loaded. One
    quick shot to the back of the head should do it. A lot quicker, and
    totally painless. But no, one officer had to take his time. Eight
    minutes, and forty-six seconds. Timed, on camera, for the entire
    world to watch.

    And let's not forget about all those black kids who
    were just playing dead after white cops shot them with blanks.

    To your baseless point (from above)
    about these black kids were never shot - playing dead >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    ^^ your words not mine. ^^


    Well, Floyd did ask the cops not to shoot him ...

    The same is true about those innocent children shot and killed by stray >bullets by those involved with the aftermath of Black on Black Crime and >members of BLM but people on the left will say that was reported by Fox News >and therefore it is considered to be Fake News. Keep telling yourself that
    also, never happened...

    President Clinton still has his office in Harlem. Seems quite
    happy with it.

    By the way, The use of the word "Discover" would NOT be improper.
    Crea LL> > would be a far better description to the truth. This was not something t LL> > already existed but actually was created in lab.
    Yeah. Right. By Morgus the Magnificent. Right here in New Orleans.

    What's the matter Lee. Having a slight issue with that fact also.

    You never met Morgus (or his assistant, Chopsley). I have.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, August 11, 2020 20:48:11
    Hello Aaron,

    legalized, as he actually married one of them.

    Melania was an illegal?

    After Trump married her, she was legal.
    That is why it was called a legal marriage,
    rather than a sham marriage.

    not object to Hawai'i conducting elections that are 100% mail-in >LL>ballots. So what is his problem with states doing so for the
    upcoming presidential election?

    Hawaii doesn't share a land border with thousands of Democrat activists from
    central America.

    Hawai'i has airports. Same as all other states.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, August 11, 2020 13:24:30
    Hello Aaron,

    No, they don't. They need to approach someone at the border and
    ask for asy

    It's just like leaving the liquor cabinet unlocked with a house full
    of teenagers. They won't touch it because they know that they are too young to consume alcohol.

    No Aaron, it's not like that at all.

    You know that America is a nation of immigrants? Canada is too.

    The current situation is out of step with your own (American) as well as international law. That is Donald Trumps doing. I think the whole border/wall thing was simply to rile up the base and ultimately divides Americans in a big way. It also shut down your federal government for 31 days. None of that is good for anything at all.

    Americans can and have decided just what the law/policy is regarding the border. If it needs work (I don't know if it does or not) then by all means make some changes and implement them.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, August 11, 2020 16:13:55
    legalized, as he actually married one of them.

    Melania was an illegal?

    After Trump married her, she was legal.
    That is why it was called a legal marriage,
    rather than a sham marriage.

    So she snuck into the USA illegally? Or was she here on an expired visa?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Tuesday, August 11, 2020 18:50:43
    The current situation is out of step with your own (American) as well as international law. That is Donald Trumps doing. I think the whole border/wa thing was simply to rile up the base and ultimately divides Americans in a

    Illegal immigration has been a popular issue at least since 2005. People don't feel safe with illegal immigrants creeping outside their windows. Those who aren't scared are either ultra wealthy, ultra powerful, or ultra ignorant.

    When Trump indicated that he was interested in building a wall, that appealed to people. It didn't make us hate Mexicans, or other central Americans. We want people to come from any country to stay & become a citizen. We don't want them coming in without documentation. That's not how my ancestors came - they came through Ellis Island, and were subject to TB testing, a physical exam, and a background check.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 01:58:00
    On 08-11-20 08:30, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-

    Floyd's death and its dramatic video evidence were the trigger or last straw to a long simmering unrest.

    Everything was fine until the Democrats & their associates exploited George Floyd's death. Was fine for whites, was fine for blacks. Nobody was complaining.

    If you think that nobody was complaining, then you must have gone deaf
    and blind years ago.

    It's not known that Derek Chauvin was culpable in the death. Nothing
    that I've seen implies that he purposefully committed homicide. Maybe
    it was all the meth that killed the counterfeit suspect.

    DUH -- he held his knee on George's neck for more than eight minutes,
    cutting off his air. If you think that does not make him culpable in
    the death, then something is wrong with your logic. The only question
    for the courts will be what degree of murder.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 02:59:02
    On 08-11-20 11:55, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about It is what it is <=-

    Getting information from Trump is far better then getting the
    narrative twisted from the likes of CNN or MSNBC any day of the week.

    You need to develop some sources that tell the truth. It is well known
    that is not Trump.

    How could the officers know anything about his history? To say that he deserved to die because "He was not a good man" is tandamont to issuing a vendetta against those who have made mistakes in their life.

    You are yet again attempting to twist this.
    The definition of tandamont; is as good as.
    There is no reference to the word vendetta.

    Your definition is correct for the word that I meant to type,
    tantamount, and I meant the usage of the term vendetta. You seem to be justifying punishing people for what they might have done in the past.

    Good men, do not pass off fake $20.00 bills for
    real ones
    It is not proven that he knows that he did that.

    It is why the cops arrived on the scene.

    The cops arrived at the scene because the clerks in the store said that
    they had been given a fake $20 bill. No one ever attempted to determine whether or not Floyd had known that the bill was fake.

    If George Floyd simply obeyed all of the officers commands, he would
    be alive today, but he calmed he was claustrophobic which is why the police had trouble getting into the back of the police car.

    From my observation he appeared to be cramped up within that vehicle
    that he was driving, he was flipping out then. Therefore there had to

    Based on the last police cam video posted, it looks like the police did
    not even attempt to question him in any sort of normal interrogation.
    Instead they gave him threatening commands while holding a gun on him.
    It is believable that having a gun pushed in your face would cause most
    people to "flip out".

    be another reason why he did not want to be arrested. Could it be
    because of another conviction or he would of been guilty of being in violation of his parole.

    Where did you see that he was on parole at the time of the incident?

    Have you seen the destruction Minneapolis?
    I suspect that they (the media that you watch) don't care to show
    this.

    I saw what you posted on network news, CNN, MSMBC and FoxNews. What are
    you trying to intimidate?

    Does it look like this was done by just a few people, as you have suggested?

    No, it does not look like a few people, nor have I previously said that.
    I will admit that there was an immediate uprising triggered by pent up
    anger that resulting in many people committing acts of violence and
    causing great damage. While I can sort of understand their frustration,
    I by no means condone their actions. If found, they should be charged
    and prosecuted.

    What I have said is that after that initial outburst, the great number
    of people began peaceful protests. There were still a few who performed
    acts of violence inconsistent with what the majority was doing. Those
    people should also be caught, charged and subjected to lawful
    punishment. But it cannot be allowed for those few people to tarnish
    the legitimate protest of the rest. Nor can they be the justification
    for the type of violent treatment that has been meted out to the
    protest crowds in some situations, e.g. Lafayette Square.

    Many Business owners have lost everything now that those buildings
    have been reduced to rubble.

    And they deserve to be compensated for their loss.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Kostie Muirhead@1:342/17 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 02:55:25
    Re: Re: It is what it is
    By: Dale Shipp to Aaron Thomas on Wed Aug 12 2020 01:58 am

    DUH -- he held his knee on George's neck for more than eight minutes, cutting off his air. If you think that does not make him culpable in
    the death, then something is wrong with your logic. The only question
    for the courts will be what degree of murder.

    And the fact it's come out that the two had worked together and had disagreements in the past makes murder a more appropriate charge than it would have been if it was merely a police issue.
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 07:14:57
    If you think that nobody was complaining, then you must have gone deaf
    and blind years ago.

    Nobody was complaining. Not in NYC, not in Chicago, not in Seatle. And blacks who don't take jobs as "activists" from Craigslist have only the destruction from the rioters to complain about now.

    Cops shoot people in the line of duty every day; it is part of their job. It's not part of their job to evaluate the color of the suspect's skin beforehand.

    DUH -- he held his knee on George's neck for more than eight minutes, cutting off his air. If you think that does not make him culpable in

    I'm not an expert at analyzing the 2nd half of a confrontation. How do we know he wasn't throwing punches at Chauvin? If a cop wants to kill somebody, they have guns for that. It's already been announced that the knee to the neck either is or was a restraint technique. But instead of changing that policy, why not just remove police from the face of the earth?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 07:21:11
    they had been given a fake $20 bill. No one ever attempted to determine whether or not Floyd had known that the bill was fake.

    That's for a court to decide! Do you think the cops are gonna pull a lie detector out of their trunk and hook it up to a suspect at the scene?

    Guilty until bail is posted - that's the way it's always been. Not just for blacks either!

    It is believable that having a gun pushed in your face would cause most people to "flip out".

    Believable by who? Anderson Cooper? Brooke Baldwin? I've had guns pointed to my head before - even by police. Flipping out is a stupid move. I didn't flip out and I survived to tell my story.

    Do you want our cops to stop carrying guns? To stop using them? What good will they be without guns? Do convenience store clerks flip out when they get guns pointed to their heads?

    All you're doing is being an attorney for suspect (a lousy one). That's ok, because police have attorneys too!

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 14:08:03
    On 12 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    You need to develop some sources that tell the truth. It is well known that is not Trump.

    Trump is the President even when people like you said he would never be the President. It is the lame street media who twists his words and take things
    out of context and they this deliberately, to plant the seed into the weak minded, who can not think for themselves.

    Your definition is correct for the word that I meant to type,
    tantamount, and I meant the usage of the term vendetta. You seem to be justifying punishing people for what they might have done in the past.

    Even that word of tantamount does not mean Vendetta.
    the correct definition of the of the word of tantamount is equivalent in seriousness; to virtually the same as or as good as.
    There is no connection to the word Vendetta whatsoever.

    Where did you see that he was on parole at the time of the incident?

    I did not see any such evidence that Mr. Floyd was in violation any such parole, but can you think of another reason as to why he did not want to be arrested. So what your arrested, have your day in court, and live another day.

    I saw what you posted on network news, CNN, MSMBC and FoxNews. What are you trying to intimidate?

    Intimidate? (interesting pause) or did you mean to say indicate.

    I wouldn't think the lame street media would ever show these images.

    No, it does not look like a few people, nor have I previously said that.
    I will admit that there was an immediate uprising triggered by pent up anger that resulting in many people committing acts of violence and causing great damage. While I can sort of understand their frustration,
    I by no means condone their actions. If found, they should be charged
    and prosecuted.

    Oh yes you did many times in-fact, you have stated that the carnage or
    whatever it is that happening is not the result of BLM you went on to make it sound that these people were not bad and these few instigators or as if to suggest that these are actions of a few.

    At the very least that is how you made it sound.
    Remember Dale, what you have said previously, is on record; here in fidoland.

    Nor can they be the justification
    for the type of violent treatment that has been meted out to the
    protest crowds in some situations, e.g. Lafayette Square.

    I will tell you why exactly with what happened at Lafayette Square.
    The number one job of the Secret Service is to protect the President.

    We all know (well, most of us) know what slime these protesters are. if you
    are not sure or don't agree with that analysis all you need to is look at the look at the protests at Minnesota
    look at the protests at Oregon
    look at the protests at New York
    look at the protests at Ohio
    These protesters are are quite volatile and violent.

    How proud would they be if they took out the President of the United States
    of America, it would marked as quite the accomplishment by any number of the organizations that spread hate as it's foundation.

    Many Business owners have lost everything now that those buildings have been reduced to rubble.

    And they deserve to be compensated for their loss.

    Do you know how insurance works beyond inner workings of your mind?

    Premium Rates go up way up.
    Business move out of the neighborhoods because they have lost the confidence because there once stood a gleaming building that has been reduced to a pile
    of rubble. These democratic cities did nothing to protect their lively-hood. Where were the cops that would of prevented this?
    The Police / Firefighters were told to stand down as a direct result of
    that action these businesses were burned to the ground.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Kostie Muirhead on Thursday, August 13, 2020 01:07:00
    On 08-12-20 02:55, Kostie Muirhead <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-

    DUH -- he held his knee on George's neck for more than eight minutes, cutting off his air. If you think that does not make him culpable in
    the death, then something is wrong with your logic. The only question
    for the courts will be what degree of murder.

    And the fact it's come out that the two had worked together and had disagreements in the past makes murder a more appropriate
    charge than it would have been if it was merely a police
    issue.

    It is well known that they both worked at the same place. I have not
    seen evidence that they actually knew each other or had disagreements.
    It is possible, and is something that the detectives handling the case
    will look into. IF true, it is something that is relevant. If you have
    seen reliable reporting about what you say being true, then that is
    worth sharing. Until then, it is an undocumented rumor at best.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, August 13, 2020 01:12:02
    On 08-12-20 07:14, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-

    Cops shoot people in the line of duty every day; it is part of their
    job. It's not part of their job to evaluate the color of the suspect's skin beforehand.

    It is part of their job only when it is necessary to prevent deadly harm
    to themselves or others. That was clearlly not the cases of Michael
    Brown or Tamir Rice or Walter Scott or Philando Castile or Stephon Clark
    or Breonna Taylor or Rayshard Brooks.

    It is not part of their job to evaluate the color of a suspect -- but
    all to often that is exactly what they do.

    DUH -- he held his knee on George's neck for more than eight minutes, cutting off his air. If you think that does not make him culpable in

    I'm not an expert at analyzing the 2nd half of a confrontation. How do
    we know he wasn't throwing punches at Chauvin? If a cop wants to kill

    Because the video evidence shows that not to be the case.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, August 13, 2020 02:34:04
    On 08-12-20 07:21, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    they had been given a fake $20 bill. No one ever attempted to determine whether or not Floyd had known that the bill was fake.

    That's for a court to decide! Do you think the cops are gonna pull a
    lie detector out of their trunk and hook it up to a suspect at the
    scene?

    It would have very easy for the cop to have given Floyd a warrant to
    appear in court instead of cuffing him under gunpoint.

    Guilty until bail is posted - that's the way it's always been. Not
    just for blacks either!

    That has never been the way it has always been. It is innocent until
    proven guilty in a court of law.

    It is believable that having a gun pushed in your face would cause most people to "flip out".

    Believable by who? Anderson Cooper? Brooke Baldwin? I've had guns
    pointed to my head before - even by police. Flipping out is a stupid move. I didn't flip out and I survived to tell my story.

    Every person is different.

    Do you want our cops to stop carrying guns? To stop using them? What
    good will they be without guns?

    The British do pretty well without carrying guns.

    Do convenience store clerks flip out
    when they get guns pointed to their heads?

    Sometimes they do, sometimes they yield to their training of go ahead
    and let the guy have the money.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, August 13, 2020 02:35:06
    On 08-12-20 14:08, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-

    You need to develop some sources that tell the truth. It is well known that is not Trump.

    Trump is the President even when people like you said he would never

    He is that, unfortunately for the country, the economy and the 160,000
    dead people.

    be the President. It is the lame street media who twists his words and take things out of context and they this deliberately, to plant the
    seed into the weak minded, who can not think for themselves.

    They do not need to twist his words -- they simply quote them. Talk
    about planting seed into the weak minded who cannot think for themselves
    -- what do you think he and Fox news have been doing for years.

    Your definition is correct for the word that I meant to type,
    tantamount, and I meant the usage of the term vendetta. You seem to be justifying punishing people for what they might have done in the past.

    Even that word of tantamount does not mean Vendetta.
    the correct definition of the of the word of tantamount is equivalent
    in seriousness; to virtually the same as or as good as.
    There is no connection to the word Vendetta whatsoever.

    Try to keep up. What I said (in other words) was that when you said,
    "Was he a good man: NO!" as if that justified what followed was the same
    as issuing a vendetta against anyone who had made mistakes in their
    past.

    Where did you see that he was on parole at the time of the incident?

    I did not see any such evidence that Mr. Floyd was in violation any
    such parole, but can you think of another reason as to why he did not
    want to be arrested. So what your arrested, have your day in court, and live another day.

    He did not want to be arrested because he had seen in the past what road
    that led down, and possibly because he did not believe that he had done anything wrong.

    I saw what you posted on network news, CNN, MSMBC and FoxNews. What are you trying to intimidate?

    Intimidate? (interesting pause) or did you mean to say indicate.

    Not intimidate (late night fingers) but indicate, imply or whatever
    fits.

    I wouldn't think the lame street media would ever show these images.

    But they all did.

    No, it does not look like a few people, nor have I previously said that.
    I will admit that there was an immediate uprising triggered by pent up anger that resulting in many people committing acts of violence and causing great damage. While I can sort of understand their frustration,
    I by no means condone their actions. If found, they should be charged
    and prosecuted.

    Oh yes you did many times in-fact, you have stated that the carnage or whatever it is that happening is not the result of BLM you went on to
    make it sound that these people were not bad and these few instigators
    or as if to suggest that these are actions of a few.

    In the initial outbreaks there was rioting, but then it has been
    peaceful protesting with very little hostile action by most of the
    protestors.

    At the very least that is how you made it sound.
    Remember Dale, what you have said previously, is on record; here in fidoland.

    Nor can they be the justification
    for the type of violent treatment that has been meted out to the
    protest crowds in some situations, e.g. Lafayette Square.

    I will tell you why exactly with what happened at Lafayette Square.
    The number one job of the Secret Service is to protect the President.

    Then why did they suddenly start pushing people back with force,
    shooting chemical agents and rubber bullets. If they needed to clear
    a path, they could have easily posted it sooner so that Trump could get
    his photo op in front of the church.

    Many Business owners have lost everything now that those buildings have been reduced to rubble.

    Please stop using quotes that make it seem like I said the above.

    And they deserve to be compensated for their loss.

    Do you know how insurance works beyond inner workings of your mind?

    Insurance is not the only means of compensation. They deserve to be compensated for their loss by what ever means possible. It is not
    certain that they will receive such compensation.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, August 13, 2020 09:58:48
    Brown or Tamir Rice or Walter Scott or Philando Castile or Stephon Clark
    or Breonna Taylor or Rayshard Brooks.

    What can we do about it? What can they do about it?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, August 13, 2020 10:08:43
    It would have very easy for the cop to have given Floyd a warrant to
    appear in court instead of cuffing him under gunpoint.

    It's easy to tell others how to do their job, but Derek Chauvin has a lieutenant to answer to.

    Cops give appearance tickets to people who were caught speeding, or running a red light. But certain offenses require the suspect to be detained & processed.

    Counterfeiting is not like a speeding ticket. It's like stealing someone's credit card and then trying to use it. People speed by accident, but they don't counterfeit by accident.

    I'm confident that a police sergeant isn't going to take a suspect to the police station for processing if he doesn't have to. You seem to be arguing that counterfeiting is as harmless as a traffic violation.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, August 13, 2020 10:13:06
    Insurance is not the only means of compensation. They deserve to be compensated for their loss by what ever means possible. It is not
    certain that they will receive such compensation.

    The best compensation I can think of is prison sentences for the peaceful protesters who looted & burned the places to ground.

    Forget about government bail outs - that's just a fancy way to describe our taxes paying for the carnage of peaceful protests.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, August 13, 2020 08:26:36
    Re: Re: It is what it is
    By: Aaron Thomas to Dale Shipp on Thu Aug 13 2020 10:08 am

    It's easy to tell others how to do their job, but Derek Chauvin has a lieutenant to answer to.

    Derek Chauvin was recently back to work after some kind of an incident, not because he was wanted back but because his contract stipulated he would be back
    to work.

    The police force in Minniapolis has made changes so this doesn't happen since the Goerge Floyd murder although we'll see if those changes do indeed work.

    The issue is/was contacts negotiated by police unions that have become very powerful and enable bad behaviour within police departments. In a lot of cases an officer could be fired in one jurisdiction without any record of why and go work in another like nothing ever happened.

    A recipe for disaster.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Kostie Muirhead@1:342/17 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, August 13, 2020 16:19:04
    Re: Re: It is what it is
    By: Dale Shipp to Kostie Muirhead on Thu Aug 13 2020 01:07 am

    It is well known that they both worked at the same place. I have not
    seen evidence that they actually knew each other or had disagreements.
    It is possible, and is something that the detectives handling the case

    I had seen it reported on, but upon searching for a source it appears the original witness has changed his story. Hard to say what that means, and I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Thursday, August 13, 2020 18:11:53
    Derek Chauvin was recently back to work after some kind of an incident, not because he was wanted back but because his contract stipulated he would be back to work.

    I didn't hear about that. But he was a sergeant though. That makes me think he was likely promoted at some point, from officer to sergeant. Maybe the power went to his head.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, August 14, 2020 01:28:00
    On 08-13-20 09:58, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    Brown or Tamir Rice or Walter Scott or Philando Castile or Stephon Clark or Breonna Taylor or Rayshard Brooks.

    What can we do about it? What can they do about it?

    We could join or support the current peaceful protests to reform what
    the rules of engagement are, and to support enforcement of humane rules,
    and punishment when violation of those rules happen. That is what we
    can do.

    I assume that the "they" in your sentence did not mean the named people
    since they are all dead. The "they" would refer to those officers who
    are in law enforcement. Some of those officers need to cease the
    violation of the human rights of people via racial profiling, via acting with unnecessary force, and against police policy. The rest of those offices
    need to begin holding the above officers accountable for their actions
    and should speak out about violations of the proper procedures when they witness them.
    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, August 14, 2020 01:36:02
    On 08-13-20 10:08, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    It would have very easy for the cop to have given Floyd a warrant to appear in court instead of cuffing him under gunpoint.

    It's easy to tell others how to do their job, but Derek Chauvin has a lieutenant to answer to.

    Cops give appearance tickets to people who were caught speeding, or running a red light. But certain offenses require the suspect to be detained & processed.

    Exactly my point.

    Counterfeiting is not like a speeding ticket. It's like stealing
    someone's credit card and then trying to use it. People speed by accident, but they don't counterfeit by accident.

    And there is no evidence that Floyd counterfeited anything. He is
    accused of passing a counterfeit note -- which could easily have been by accident. Nothing has come out since to imply otherwise.

    I'm confident that a police sergeant isn't going to take a suspect to
    the police station for processing if he doesn't have to. You seem to
    be arguing that counterfeiting is as harmless as a traffic violation.

    I am not arguing that counterfeiting is harmless, but that is not what
    Floyd was suspected of. Passing a counterfeit bill is not a serious
    offense until it is proven that it was with knowledge of it being
    counterfeit.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, August 14, 2020 01:42:04
    On 08-13-20 10:13, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    The best compensation I can think of is prison sentences for the
    peaceful protesters who looted & burned the places to ground.

    Your sentence is an oxymoron. Peaceful protesters are protected by the
    first amendment. They have the complete right to do so. Those who
    loot or burn are not peaceful protesters and should be prosecuted.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Friday, August 14, 2020 08:38:53
    We could join or support the current peaceful protests to reform what

    The peaceful protesters are burning buildings down and killing people; I'm not gonna join that. Holding an entire city hostage, because one color is suffering, that's not fair to the other colors. Citizens shouldn't pay for George Floyd's mistakes or for Derek Chauvin's mistakes. They should voice their concerns to the appropriate law makers in their districts, but then again, there's no free stuff involved when you go that route.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Friday, August 14, 2020 08:44:20
    And there is no evidence that Floyd counterfeited anything. He is
    accused of passing a counterfeit note -- which could easily have been by accident. Nothing has come out since to imply otherwise.

    It's called "forgery" in New York. People go to jail for it here. It makes no difference if you printed it yourself or not. It's like getting caught with stolen property; no matter who stole it, you're the one going to jail for possessing it. And if you resist arrest, you might get yourself killed bascially for being an idiot. It's the way things are. If that sounds bad, write a letter to somebody who has the power to change it, but don't expect sympathy after burning down a department store.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Friday, August 14, 2020 08:48:15
    Your sentence is an oxymoron. Peaceful protesters are protected by the first amendment. They have the complete right to do so. Those who
    loot or burn are not peaceful protesters and should be prosecuted.

    I have yet to see a peaceful protest. Is that what they do in small towns? NYC, Chicago, Portland, and Seatle have not seen any "peaceful" protests. They've seen a lot of looting, burning, and murder.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Friday, August 14, 2020 10:58:41
    On 13 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 08-12-20 14:08, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-

    You need to develop some sources that tell the truth. It is well kno that is not Trump.

    Trump is the President even when people like you said he would never

    He is that, unfortunately for the country, the economy and the 160,000 dead people.

    be the President. It is the lame street media who twists his words an take things out of context and they this deliberately, to plant the seed into the weak minded, who can not think for themselves.

    They do not need to twist his words -- they simply quote them. Talk
    about planting seed into the weak minded who cannot think for themselves -- what do you think he and Fox news have been doing for years.

    What do I think Fox News does is Fair and Balanced and still unafraid...
    It was the Hannity show that blew the lid off on the phony Russian dossier
    as well of the connections to that were to remain hidden from the American public.

    Not intimidate (late night fingers) but indicate, imply or whatever
    fits.

    No worries, I understand.

    I will tell you why exactly with what happened at Lafayette Square. The number one job of the Secret Service is to protect the President.

    Then why did they suddenly start pushing people back with force,
    shooting chemical agents and rubber bullets. If they needed to clear
    a path, they could have easily posted it sooner so that Trump could get his photo op in front of the church.

    Do you believe that crowd would of stopped or paid any attention to such a sign, I do not believe this either and neither did the people who pushed them in such a way.

    Do you know how insurance works beyond inner workings of your mind?

    Insurance is not the only means of compensation. They deserve to be compensated for their loss by what ever means possible. It is not
    certain that they will receive such compensation.

    If it is not certain that they will be compensated, why should they rebuild? With insurance comes "risk assessment" of which is very high when the Police has been told to stand down.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, August 14, 2020 12:27:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

    Trump is the President even when people like you said he would never be the President. It is the lame street media who twists his words and
    take things out of context and they this deliberately, to plant the
    seed into the weak minded, who can not think for themselves.

    Unfortunately, with the education system long in the hands of the Left, the number of people who can't think
    for themeslves is growing. But it's getting worse. Not only are many of these people uneducated, they are
    mis-educated (taught that many falsehoods are true).

    People like Dale and Leo are products of those "schools".


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, August 14, 2020 10:43:18
    Hello Aaron,

    The peaceful protesters are burning buildings down and killing people;

    Ah, no. The peaceful protesters are not doing this although I know Donald Trump
    and other weak minded people put it so.

    I'm not gonna join that.

    I wouldn't join any rioting or destruction of property either.

    I'm not sure how these things become a riot. Anger perhaps.

    Holding an entire city hostage, because one color is suffering, that's
    not fair to the other colors.

    People of color are, and have been for a long time, being killed by police when
    that is not needed. That is and has been happening on the streets of America.

    George Floyd should not have been killed because he used a bad $20 bill (knowingly or not) to buy cigarettes.

    That is the reason for the BLM movement.

    Citizens shouldn't pay for George Floyd's mistakes or for Derek
    Chauvin's mistakes.

    That is not the case.

    They should voice their concerns to the appropriate law makers in
    their districts, but then again, there's no free stuff involved when
    you go that route.

    Free stuff is not and never was the issue. This was an issue before BLM and is still an issue.

    Let's work on the underlying issues that cause these problems and not paint these people as criminals.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Greg Youngblood@1:123/130 to Ron Lauzon on Friday, August 14, 2020 18:19:36
    Unfortunately, with the education system long in the hands of the Left, the number of people who can't think
    for themeslves is growing. But it's getting worse. Not only are many
    of these people uneducated, they are
    mis-educated (taught that many falsehoods are true).


    Ron

    Here, here!

    Spot on...
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Friday, August 14, 2020 19:52:21
    The peaceful protesters are burning buildings down and killing people;

    Ah, no. The peaceful protesters are not doing this although I know Donald Trump and other weak minded people put it so.

    We had a "peaceful protest" here in Binghamton. At the conclusion of the protest, they decided to burn down a handicapped-accessible playground owned by the city. They took something away that my kids used to enjoy, and I helped pay for. "Black Lives Matter" <- That's who did this to us. I'm not blaming someone out of convenience like people do with Trump - this was done by Black Lives Matter without a doubt.

    And when I see the crap they do in other cities, I feel sorta lucky.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, August 14, 2020 18:04:16
    Hello Aaron,

    Ah, no. The peaceful protesters are not doing this although I know
    Donald Trump and other weak minded people put it so.

    We had a "peaceful protest" here in Binghamton. At the conclusion of
    the protest, they decided to burn down a handicapped-accessible
    playground owned by the city.

    That's not what I read.

    There were over a thousand people marching during the day. Peacefully.

    A small number of protesters stayed later but did leave after an organizer asked them to leave and maintain peacefull demonstrations.

    They took something away that my kids used to enjoy, and I helped pay
    for.

    I'm sorry that happened to your park and hope it can be rebuilt.

    "Black Lives Matter" <- That's who did this to us. I'm not blaming someone out of convenience like people do with Trump - this was done
    by Black Lives Matter without a doubt.

    I believe there was a demonstration there, maybe it was organized by BLM, I'm not sure. I don't believe BLM is reponsible for what happened there and from what I read the mayor doesn't either.

    It is convenient to blame BLM but that doesn't make it so. That is not what BLM
    is all about and it's not the outcome they are striving for.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, August 15, 2020 02:16:04
    On 08-14-20 08:38, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    We could join or support the current peaceful protests to reform what

    The peaceful protesters are burning buildings down and killing people;

    Do you not realize how contradictory your sentence is?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, August 15, 2020 02:18:06
    On 08-14-20 08:44, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    And there is no evidence that Floyd counterfeited anything. He is
    accused of passing a counterfeit note -- which could easily have been by accident. Nothing has come out since to imply otherwise.

    It's called "forgery" in New York. People go to jail for it here. It
    makes no difference if you printed it yourself or not. It's like

    It makes a big difference under the law.

    getting caught with stolen property; no matter who stole it, you're the one going to jail for possessing it.

    Again -- that would depend on whether or not you knew it was stolen. If
    you came into possession of stolen property, subsequently were told it
    was stolen, and then made restitution -- there would/should be no
    penalty. Same goes for having and using a counterfeit bill.

    And if you resist arrest, you
    might get yourself killed bascially for being an idiot. It's the way things are. If that sounds bad, write a letter to somebody who has the power to change it, but don't expect sympathy after burning down a department store.

    Or join in a peaceful protest to get the rules changed that allowed such
    misuse of police power.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, August 15, 2020 02:23:08
    On 08-14-20 08:48, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    Your sentence is an oxymoron. Peaceful protesters are protected by the first amendment. They have the complete right to do so. Those who
    loot or burn are not peaceful protesters and should be prosecuted.

    I have yet to see a peaceful protest. Is that what they do in small
    towns? NYC, Chicago, Portland, and Seatle have not seen any "peaceful" protests. They've seen a lot of looting, burning, and murder.

    Then you have not been watching the right news channels. The people who
    were gassed and shot on Lafayette Square were peaceful protesters. The
    same has been true in many other cities, including the ones you name.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ron Lauzon on Saturday, August 15, 2020 02:28:10
    On 08-14-20 12:27, Ron Lauzon <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: It is what it is <=-

    Unfortunately, with the education system long in the hands of the
    Left, the number of people who can't think
    for themeslves is growing. But it's getting worse. Not
    only are many of these
    people uneducated, they are
    mis-educated (taught that many falsehoods are true).

    People like Dale and Leo are products of those "schools".

    You clearly have no idea about the schools I have attended.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to ALAN IANSON on Saturday, August 15, 2020 00:21:00
    On 08-09-20, ALAN IANSON said to AARON THOMAS:

    Hello Aaron,

    You are kind of free & loose with the term illegal. Democrats
    don't in fact support illegal immigrants although they do support
    immigration.


    Democrats most certainly DO support `illegal immigrants'. They are talking about abolishing Homeland Security.


    Every Democrat in the presidential primary debates stated that they
    were in favor of open borders. They openly said it. When we talk about "open borders" we mean it; for people to come and go as they please,
    with no documentation needed.


    Open border and illegal immigrants are two different things.


    How do you think the number of *illegals* living and working in this country gotinto the MILLIONS? Osmosis? Prior to 9/11 illegal aliens poured across the Southern Border in droves! I lived and worked in Arizona for many years, and illegal aliens kncked on my door and asked for food and water all the time; at least once or twice a month.


    In contrast, Republicans such as Trump support LEGAL immigration,
    meaning people with a visa should come to the USA to live as residents
    with the option of applying for citizenship.


    What trump did in treating asylum seekers as criminals instead of the way AI>asylum seekers had previously been treated, separating children from their AI>parents will not help the situation at your border.


    Pretending to be an `asylum seeker' after getting discovered in a car trunk with two or three other `asylum seekers' doesn't qualify as `seeking asylum'; its called attempting to enter the country *illegally*!


    And we have *immigration laws*! Laws are meant to be followed. Democrat
    lefties don't follow laws that are inconvient to them. When they want the narrative their way....they quickly find a microphone and spout their version of; "...we are a nation of laws!"


    Except when they want to circumvent the law or pretend it doesn't exist at all.Like Hillary Clinton and her crime family destroying cell phones that were under subpoena; taking hammers to hard drives; shredding hard drives.....etc.



    The Democrats are not interested in securing the border, so there's
    nothing for them to discuss with Republicans. Sure, securing the
    border seems like a good idea to combat coronavirus, but the Democrats
    are not interested in combating coronavirus either.


    It may not be easy but America has to make a decision on what their border AI>policy is and find a way forward.


    We already HAVE laws pertaining to border enforcement. They are regularly ignored by democrats.


    Tagline;


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to ALAN IANSON on Friday, August 14, 2020 21:33:00
    On 08-09-20, ALAN IANSON said to AARON THOMAS:

    Hello Aaron,


    Democrats are Americans, just like you. I don't think they are the enemy AI>you seem to think they are. They are different sure, but they want law & AI>order and secure borders the same as you do.


    Not so. `Democrats' ignore, twist, circumvent our laws all the time. (Where have you been these last sixty or so days? Those are *democrats* ignoring
    laws, allowing violent rioters to run rampant, loot businesses, destroy property, commit arson.....


    Deportation and/or inadmissibility are possible. Inadmissibility
    means that you would have no legal pathway to apply for Canadian
    citizenship.


    Such laws exist here as well. What is lacking is ENFORCEMENT! Until Donald Trump became president here most if not all those `laws' were rarely if ever enforced fully. If they had been e would not now have in excess of 20 or more MILLION illegal aliens in our midst. If Biden wins election it will only get worse.


    Tagline;


    "Wearing a mask to prevent Corona Virus is a lot like building a chain link fence to keep mosquitoes out of your yard!"






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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to ALAN IANSON on Friday, August 14, 2020 21:45:00
    On 08-09-20, ALAN IANSON said to AARON THOMAS:


    People who support BLM are Americans too, and these people are standing up AI>for law & order and I don't think you need to fear an anti fascist


    Again...where have you been these last 6 or 8 weeks? n a cave?


    BLM and Antifa mobs have been looting and destroying businesses in several cities around the US. They have also committed assaults as well as murder!


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Friday, August 14, 2020 22:10:00
    On 08-10-20, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

    On 08-09-20 12:32, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    This was not something that already existed but actually was created
    in lab.


    That is an unverified fake conspiracy rumor. There is no evidence to DS>support such a charge.


    You're talking to the wall! Shipp and the rest of the choir castrati ignore facts that are inconvenient or do not support the leftist narrative.


    Soon they will develope a scenario which either implies, or outright accuses Donald Trump of starting the Covid 19 pandemic!



    Tagline;



    "Sign in Wohan laboratory window; `It has been 00 days since releasing a
    deadly virus'!"


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Saturday, August 15, 2020 00:28:00

    And George Floyd is still breathing just fine, while keeping his
    mother company. And let's not forget about all those black kids who
    were just playing dead after white cops shot them with blanks.


    There was another "leaked video" of the events of what happened before he GD>died. Do not misunderstand me as I will say here clearly the man did NOT GD>deserve to die.


    A few things need to be pointed out here;


    Firstly...Floyd told the cops he was `claustrohobic' when they tried to put
    him in the cop car (an enclosed space).


    But.....Floyd was intoxicated and passed out behind the wheel of his car (an enclosed space!)


    Secondly...Floyd did not die at the scene where they were attempting to arrest him; he died at the hospital.


    Thirdly...he did not die of lack of air.... he had methamphetamine, Fentanyl, and high concentrates of alchohol in his system.


    His autopsy report shows that blood samples were taken soon after he arrived
    at the hospital (around 9pm). He died 25 minutes later (9:25 pm).


    People do not die of asphixiation with a `breathing tube' inserted!


    He died of an overdose. There were no fatal wounds. His neck wasn't even bruised! The drug effects were enhanced by the alchohol in his system.


    He didn't deserve to die. But resisting arrest is not a recommended plan of action at any time.


    With the amount of alchohol and ilegal drugs in his system, it is as proper to say he died of an overdose.


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Friday, August 14, 2020 23:33:00
    On 08-12-20, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:


    You seem to be justifying punishing people for what they might have done in DS>the past.


    Try to remember Shipp said this when the lefties start talking `reparations' for slavery that is over 150 years in the past!



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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Saturday, August 15, 2020 00:30:00
    On 08-14-20, DALE SHIPP said to AARON THOMAS:

    On 08-13-20 10:13, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    The best compensation I can think of is prison sentences for the
    peaceful protesters who looted & burned the places to ground.

    Your sentence is an oxymoron. Peaceful protesters are protected by the DS>first amendment. They have the complete right to do so.


    Those who loot or burn are not peaceful protesters and should be DS>prosecuted.


    Remember Shipp said this when the democrats and media continue to ignore the violence, looting, arson and murders occuring in several notorious DEMOCRAT cities around the country.


    Did you see the news that a guy came out of his house and deliberately shot a youngster to death who was rding a small bicycle? The child was four or five years old.


    Did I mention the child was white and the shooter was black?


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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, August 15, 2020 03:10:13
    On 14 Aug 20 18:04:16, Alan Ianson said the following to Aaron Thomas:

    It is convenient to blame BLM but that doesn't make it so. That is not what BLM is all about and it's not the outcome they are striving for.

    Nahhh, they're just striving for marxism, defunding police, destruction of the family unit, extorting non-black owned local business etc, while the black-on-black crime rates continue to be ignored as usual.

    Nick

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, August 15, 2020 07:30:54
    Do you not realize how contradictory your sentence is?

    My point is that through the eyes of the liberal media, all protesters are "peaceful protesters."

    There's no such thing as "peaceful protesters" anymore. All these George Floyd inspired protests are ending with either ashes, more dead people, or both.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, August 15, 2020 07:34:29
    Again -- that would depend on whether or not you knew it was stolen. If you came into possession of stolen property, subsequently were told it
    was stolen, and then made restitution -- there would/should be no
    penalty. Same goes for having and using a counterfeit bill.

    If you think stuff works that way, you're in for a rude awakening when you step outside your cave!

    Cops don't find people with stolen (or counterfeited) stuff and start asking "Did you KNOW this was stolen?" They don't give a crap! When you're busted, you're busted, whether you think you did anything wrong or not. If you resist arrest, you might end up dead.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Tim Richardson on Saturday, August 15, 2020 07:45:18
    Did I mention the child was white and the shooter was black?

    I read that article. It was published within the last few days.

    Are our liberal friends reading that article on their left wing media?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Nick Andre on Saturday, August 15, 2020 13:44:12
    Hello Nick,

    It is convenient to blame BLM but that doesn't make it so. That is
    not what BLM is all about and it's not the outcome they are
    striving for.

    Nahhh, they're just striving for marxism, defunding police,
    destruction of the family unit, extorting non-black owned local
    business etc, while the black-on-black crime rates continue to be
    ignored as usual.

    I don't think we can blame BLM for Marxism, however that comes into it.

    How does BLM strive for destruction of the family unit, extorting local business (black or white), or black on black crime? It doesn't.

    After the George Floyd murder "defund the police" became a talking point but of
    course that is a bad idea and is not going to happen.


    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, August 15, 2020 13:53:32
    Hello Aaron,

    My point is that through the eyes of the liberal media, all protesters
    are "peaceful protesters."

    That's not true. A peaceful protest is just that. Peaceful.

    A peaceful protest can turn violent when people feel they are being dismissed, they get angry.

    There's no such thing as "peaceful protesters" anymore. All these
    George Floyd inspired protests are ending with either ashes, more dead people, or both.

    The destruction in your area was not caused by peaceful protesters. It was carried out by others who came in under cover of darkness.

    It doesn't make sense that BLM protesters would do this.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, August 15, 2020 23:20:52
    How does BLM strive for destruction of the family unit, extorting local business (black or white), or black on black crime? It doesn't.

    it does... it's on their website

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    AKA Joe Schweier
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, August 16, 2020 01:59:01
    On 15 Aug 20 13:44:12, Alan Ianson said the following to Nick Andre:

    How does BLM strive for destruction of the family unit, extorting local business (black or white), or black on black crime? It doesn't.

    Okay I'll bite this time.

    Lets start with some BLM 101 by looking at what they actually believe in:

    https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

    I directly quote: "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and "villages" that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree
    that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."

    Now on to the BLM extortion letter:

    https://www.scribd.com/document/471102642/Occupy-Nulu-Demands#from_embed

    Hmmmm... a certain percentage of revenue to be earmarked? I guess that makes sense since BLM leaders believe that capitalism is bad, looting stores is all in the name of "reparations" since insurance will pay for it all. The money's gotta come from somewhere right? And if not, then lets burn it all down:

    https://nypost.com/2020/08/13/blm-organizer-who-called-looting-reparations-dou bles-down/

    https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-leader-if-change-doesnt-happen-we-will-burn- down-this-system/

    https://www.newsweek.com/black-lives-matter-slavery-reparations-criminal-justi ce-reform-policy-hillary-486198

    https://spectator.org/blm-activist-looting-is-reparations-chicago-violence/

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/11/chicago-blm-organizer-defends-lo oting-reparations/

    https://24ahead.com/blm-demands

    https://freedomupdates.com/the-latest/ky-blm-demands-reparations-from-business -owners-or-else/

    https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/07/09/say-you-want-a-marxist-revolution-Nick blm-steps-up/

    https://cloverchronicle.com/2020/06/02/blm-and-antifa-reportedly-release-deman d-lists-to-u-s-government-amid-widespread-violent-riots/

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/36586-blm-activists-threaten- louisville-businesses-offer-race-reparations-or-we-ll-trash-you-online

    https://www.acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2020/06/18/explainer-what-doe s-black-lives-matter-believe

    You likely won't bother to read any of these but the depth of URL's I can copy-n-paste here about the race-baiting movement that is BLM is outstanding.

    I challenge you or anyone else here to prove to me with factual
    verifiable evidence that clearly shows BLM has done anything to specifically address black-on-black crime which continues to spiral out of control in major cities including Toronto where I live. Defunding the police clearly has shown to be a catastrophic failure in reducing black-on-black crime.

    Please do not reply unless either you are willing to share some basic research as I have, or just a simple polite "I respect your viewpoint".

    Nick

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, August 16, 2020 10:13:00
    Dale Shipp wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    People like Dale and Leo are products of those "schools".

    You clearly have no idea about the schools I have attended.

    I've read your drivel here. So I have a very clear idea about the "schools" you attended.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sunday, August 16, 2020 11:40:00
    TIM RICHARDSON wrote to GREGORY DEYSS <=-

    You're talking to the wall! Shipp and the rest of the choir castrati ignore facts that are inconvenient or do not support the leftist narrative.

    Lefties never let facts get in the way of a good Narrative.

    Soon they will develope a scenario which either implies, or outright accuses Donald Trump of starting the Covid 19 pandemic!

    They probably already have a "dossier" being faked up right now to use against Trump when he wins in a landslide
    this Nov.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, August 16, 2020 08:46:32
    After the George Floyd murder "defund the police" became a talking point bu of course that is a bad idea and is not going to happen.

    You mean it's not going to happen in Canada? Because it has already happened here in the states, in cities far away from from Minneapolis. That's one
    way how BLM is extorting money.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Nick Andre on Sunday, August 16, 2020 08:56:02
    Hello Nick,

    How does BLM strive for destruction of the family unit, extorting
    local business (black or white), or black on black crime? It
    doesn't.

    Okay I'll bite this time.

    No need to bite. I just wanted your opinion, in your own words.

    You likely won't bother to read any of these but the depth of URL's I
    can copy-n-paste here about the race-baiting movement that is BLM is outstanding.

    Yes, I will bother. I may find things I have missed.

    I challenge you or anyone else here to prove to me with factual
    verifiable evidence that clearly shows BLM has done anything to specifically address black-on-black crime which continues to spiral
    out of control in major cities including Toronto where I live.

    There is no proof. This is not what BLM is doing.

    Defunding the police clearly has shown to be a catastrophic failure in reducing black-on-black crime.

    Is black-on-black crime a result of defunding police?

    Please do not reply unless either you are willing to share some basic research as I have,

    I did not post to you. You replied to my comment so I engaged you. I will not do that again.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    --- GoldED+/LNX
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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Friday, August 21, 2020 20:59:00
    On 08-15-20, AARON THOMAS said to TIM RICHARDSON:


    Did I mention the child was white and the shooter was black?


    I read that article. It was published within the last few days.


    Are our liberal friends reading that article on their left wing media?


    Probably not. I caught parts of the lefties' convention during the week. They never mentioned the riots and mayhem in leftie cities, either.


    Another thing they did that was off-the-wall;


    The democrats had a speaker at their convention named Donna Hylton.


    Hylton spoke and endorsed Biden. You may not be familiar with the name, but back about thirty years ago Hylton and some friends kidnapped, tortured and murdered a real estate broker named Thomas Vigliarolo.


    They held him for a ransom of $400,000 that wasn't paid. And they murdered
    him. But not before torturing him in horrendous ways, including crushing his balls with pliers. They shoved a metal pipe up his ass.


    She and others were convicted and sentenced to 25 years. The crime was considered so horrendous that she was banned from being included in Trump's prison reform effort. She in fact turned up on a list of guests of the White House's event on the country's correctional facilities. The secret service turned her away as `disinvited'.


    Not surprising the democrats would embrace such a piece of scum.


    Tagline;


    "No foreign powers will influence my presidency." ....Joe Biden

    "You mean like Ukraine and China?" .....Vladimir Putin

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Friday, August 21, 2020 21:05:00
    On 08-15-20, DALE SHIPP said to AARON THOMAS:

    On 08-14-20 08:38, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-



    We could join or support the current peaceful protests to reform what


    The peaceful protesters are burning buildings down and killing people;


    Do you not realize how contradictory your sentence is?


    Does Shipp realize top democrats are the ones who first started to use sentences pretty much like that to describe what's happening in many `democrat-operated' cities?


    Shipp, like most leftie deomcrats, fails to catch the irony of that.


    `Sarcasm' is completely lost on a leftie democrat. Which sometimes is exactly what makes it so funny!



    Tagline;


    "If you ain't rioting and looting....then you ain't democrat!"....Joe Biden

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Friday, August 28, 2020 21:38:00
    On 08-15-20, DALE SHIPP said to AARON THOMAS:

    On 08-14-20 08:48, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    Your sentence is an oxymoron. Peaceful protesters are protected by the first amendment. They have the complete right to do so. Those who
    loot or burn are not peaceful protesters and should be prosecuted.


    I have yet to see a peaceful protest. Is that what they do in small
    towns? NYC, Chicago, Portland, and Seatle have not seen any "peaceful" protests. They've seen a lot of looting, burning, and murder.


    Then you have not been watching the right news channels. The people who DS>were gassed and shot on Lafayette Square were peaceful protesters. The DS>same has been true in many other cities, including the ones you name.


    First of all, if you're talking about the `Lafayette Park' in DC, it was forcefully cleared on June 1. Nobody was `shot' in the process. If they had been the leftie media in print and broadcast would still be harping on it endlessly!


    BTW....that park is a `public' park on *federal property*, one of many federally owned properties the National Park Service manages and maintains.


    The president intended to walk through the park with a number of guests. The feds had the lawful right to see that it was safe for him to do so.


    As usual you embelished the tale with that `people shot' crap. Typical of a democrat leftie.


    Tagline;


    "Democrats: Vote for us or we will burn America to the ground!... ..I'm Joe Biden and I approve this message!"


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Tim Richardson on Saturday, August 29, 2020 07:52:46
    She and others were convicted and sentenced to 25 years. The crime was considered so horrendous that she was banned from being included in Trump's prison reform effort. She in fact turned up on a list of guests of the Whit

    What happened with her? Pardoned by Obama?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Tim Richardson on Saturday, August 29, 2020 07:55:18
    `Sarcasm' is completely lost on a leftie democrat. Which sometimes is exact what makes it so funny!

    I think it's a type of autism, which is unfortunate. People with autism deserve all the same opportunities as everyone else, but they should stay away from journalism.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Tim Richardson on Sunday, August 30, 2020 02:59:02
    On 08-28-20 21:38, Tim Richardson <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-

    Then you have not been watching the right news channels. The people who
    were gassed and shot on Lafayette Square were peaceful protesters. The
    same has been true in many other cities, including the ones you name.


    First of all, if you're talking about the `Lafayette Park' in DC, it
    was forcefully cleared on June 1. Nobody was `shot' in the process. If they had been the leftie media in print and broadcast would still be harping on it endlessly!

    You are correct in that it was forcefully cleared, people were gassed
    with pepper spray, hit with batons and shields. The people were
    peaceful. There was much coverage and criticism of the event. The
    people who were shot with rubber bullets were another night, my mistake.

    BTW....that park is a `public' park on *federal property*, one of many federally owned properties the National Park Service manages and maintains.

    DUH -- Federally owned, i.e. belonging to all Americans.

    The president intended to walk through the park with a number of
    guests. The feds had the lawful right to see that it was safe for him
    to do so.

    They could have peacefully cleared a path if they had not attempted to
    do it by force at the last minute. Instead, they did it suddenly and
    without adequate warning or notice. They responded to the peaceful
    protestors with force. It did not need to happen that way.

    As usual you embellished the tale with that `people shot' crap. Typical
    of a democrat leftie.

    As I said above, the shootings with rubber bullets which caused
    considerable damage were on another night.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, August 30, 2020 21:06:20
    Hello Dale,

    Then you have not been watching the right news channels. The people who >DS>were gassed and shot on Lafayette Square were peaceful protesters. The >DS>same has been true in many other cities, including the ones you name.

    First of all, if you're talking about the `Lafayette Park' in DC, it
    was forcefully cleared on June 1. Nobody was `shot' in the process. If >TR> they had been the leftie media in print and broadcast would still be
    harping on it endlessly!

    You are correct in that it was forcefully cleared, people were gassed
    with pepper spray, hit with batons and shields. The people were
    peaceful. There was much coverage and criticism of the event. The
    people who were shot with rubber bullets were another night, my mistake.

    Why was the area cleared, and people gassed with pepper spray, etc.?
    These were all peaceful proteters, including women and children. None
    of them violent. What was the reason? Why did the president order law enforcement (military, etc.) to act against their fellow Americans?

    So he could have a photo-op in front of a church while holding
    a bible upside down.

    What a beautiful sight. Innocent men, women and children suffering
    so a madman could do his thing at a place of worship. What kind of
    a shithole this country has become.

    I hope, and I pray to God, that this nightmare will soon end.

    I have no doubt, absolutely no doubt, that Biden will win the election. However, as to being allowed to take office is another question.

    You know what that means.

    The peaceful transfer of power is a fiction. A polite fiction.

    There will be no more American experiment. Democracy will be dead.

    "Trump isn't looking for a second term - he's looking for a do-over"
    ~ Biden for President campaign

    Al Gore won the election, defeating George W. Bush.
    The USSC decided, by a 5-4 vote, to award the presidency to Bush.
    Nothing compelled Gore to concede.
    So why did he do it?
    He did so "for the good of the country."
    Those were his own words.

    The other day Gore said he was out of options once the USSC made
    its decision. But that was not true, given his previous statement.

    But I am not going to quibble on what Gore said. You can look it
    up on your own time if you want to verify his comments.

    The real question is, what if Trump refuses to concede, even after
    losing? Can he be compelled to leave if he refuses to concede?
    No ruling by the USSC can do that.

    According to the 20th Amendment, a president's term in office
    "shall end at noon on the 20th day of January" after an election.

    Now, please tell me, who will be POTUS at 12:01 on January 20, 2021?

    Will it be the man on the left, who swears on a bible held right-side
    up? Or will it be the man on the right, who swears on a bible held
    upside-down?

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, August 30, 2020 17:21:44
    So he could have a photo-op in front of a church while holding
    a bible upside down.

    The reason for the clearing of protesters doesn't matter. They were told to leave, they didn't listen, and they didn't respect authority.

    Ignoring instructions from police, while caring for children, is about as smart as crossing the border illegally while caring for children.

    It's about as smart as pointing a gun at a cop while caring for children.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, August 30, 2020 14:58:48
    So he could have a photo-op in front of a church while holding
    a bible upside down.

    The reason for the clearing of protesters doesn't matter.

    Of course it matters. The protesters where not doing anything illegal.

    They were told to leave, they didn't listen, and they didn't respect authority.

    Sounds like some kind of a police state, is that what you want for America? It looks like that is happening now in America.

    It's about as smart as pointing a gun at a cop while caring for children.

    You don't need to point a gun or any weapon at police today, or even behave in a threatening manor to end up dead or maimed at the hands of police. We've seen
    all this recently.

    Today we have people in the streets killing each other. Why the hell is that.

    Before you blame it all on the lefties I just want to point out this never happened under Obama. This is all happening under Donald Trump.

    What the hell has happened to America?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, August 30, 2020 21:10:46
    The reason for the clearing of protesters doesn't matter.

    Of course it matters. The protesters where not doing anything illegal.

    When police tell me to leave, I leave.

    Sounds like some kind of a police state, is that what you want for America? looks like that is happening now in America.

    Yes. I want the police to have more control than what they have now. Right now, the police are intimidated by Democat-paid activists. I'm against counterfeiting, drugs, robbery, rape, and murder. The police have always had our back in these situations, and the left wants to interfere with it all of a sudden, I guess because of TDS.

    You don't need to point a gun or any weapon at police today, or even behave a threatening manor to end up dead or maimed at the hands of police. We've seen all this recently.

    You're correct, but it's never been a good idea to protest against police, and it's even worse to do it while you've got your kids with you.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, August 30, 2020 19:08:52
    Right now, the police are intimidated by Democat-paid activists.

    Democrat-paid activists? ;)

    I'm against counterfeiting, drugs, robbery, rape, and murder.

    So is every other sane person, democrat, republican or otherwise.

    The police have always had our back in these situations, and the left wants to interfere with it all of a sudden, I guess because of TDS.

    The left as you call it wants law and order the same as you do.

    Can the police support you and have your back with out the needless killing?

    You don't need to point a gun or any weapon at police today, or even behave >> a threatening manor to end up dead or maimed at the hands of police. We've >> seen all this recently.

    You're correct, but it's never been a good idea to protest against police, and it's even worse to do it while you've got your kids with you.

    Nobody is protesting against police regardless of what Donald Trump says.

    The BLM protesters are protesting against the unjustifiable killing of unarmed citizens by police officers.

    How are we ever going to get to a place of law and order with these lawless police officers?

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Monday, August 31, 2020 08:32:26
    Democrat-paid activists? ;)

    Yes. At first, the Joe Biden campaign was bailing protesters out of jail, but now they're focusing their funds on recruiting more protesters. Whether you're in the streets throwing stuff at police, or if you're in a department store looting, the time away from work requires compensation. Who's gonna put food on black lives matters tables? The Democrats.

    The left as you call it wants law and order the same as you do.

    If they get Joe Biden elected, then the protesters will disappear & there will be no more question about law & order.

    The BLM protesters are protesting against the unjustifiable killing of unar citizens by police officers.

    They only care about black citizens. Police have to kill suspects sometimes. Sometimes police kill unarmed people in error. It's nothing new, and it's not only happening to black people. Police are killing people of every color.

    Some argue that it happens to blacks more than anyone else, but that minimizes the deaths of other colors. Black lives matter to the media, but other colors not so much.

    More than 1 million people have died from coronavirus, but the media is telling us that "the coronavirus is killing more blacks than any other color." So then an idiot like Mike Bloomberg(D) hires is wife (Token black lady) to "battle the coronavirus attack on black people." Let's not worry about anyone except blacks because other colors are boring.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, August 31, 2020 08:34:05
    Trump had no authority to order the forceful removal of peaceful
    protesters from the area.

    Maybe you're right about Trump not having that authority, but the police DO have that authority.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 31, 2020 16:53:07
    Hello Aaron,

    The reason for the clearing of protesters doesn't matter.
    Of course it matters. The protesters where not doing anything
    illegal.

    When police tell me to leave, I leave.

    Smart move. Especially in the USA.

    Sounds like some kind of a police state, is that what you want for
    America? looks like that is happening now in America.

    Yes. I want the police to have more control than what they have now.

    Do you really?

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/


    Hell is already here. What depth of Hell do you want to live in?

    Right now, the police are intimidated by Democat-paid activists.

    If the police are so scared of women and babies, we really are in
    deep doo-doo. Not that any of those women and babies are as you claim "Democat-paid activists" - whatever that is.

    I'm against counterfeiting, drugs, robbery, rape, and murder.

    But you are okay with police killing women and babies. Especially
    those women and babies who are "Democat-paid activists." Right?

    The police have always had our back in these situations, and the left wants
    to interfere with it all of a sudden, I guess because of TDS.

    Oh, yeah. Those women and babies will be the death of us all.
    Better to let the police take care of them before we all die of
    fright.

    You don't need to point a gun or any weapon at police today, AI>or even
    behave a threatening manor to end up dead or maimed at AI>the hands of police. We've seen all this recently.

    You're correct, but it's never been a good idea to protest against police,
    and it's even worse to do it while you've got your kids with you.

    Not to worry. The police are there to "serve and protect" you from
    them dangerous women and babies ...

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 31, 2020 19:01:48
    Hello Aaron,

    Trump had no authority to order the forceful removal of peaceful >LL>protesters from the area.

    Maybe you're right about Trump not having that authority, but the police DO
    have that authority.

    Bullcrap.

    Police and other law enforcement have no authority to obey illegal
    orders, regardless of who issues those illegal orders.

    Police took an oath. But to "serve and protect"?

    Certainly not the public -

    https://www.barneslawllp.com/blog/police-not-required-protect


    If the police or other law enforcement are not required to "serve
    and protect" then what is their duty and obligation?

    They took an oath. Nothing in that oath requires any of them to obey
    the whims of a wannabe dictator gone mad. So why do some do it?

    --Lee

    --
    When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Monday, August 31, 2020 21:05:28
    On 31 Aug 20 15:05:16, Alan Ianson said the following to Aaron Thomas:

    I don't think so. The BLM movement and the issue of police behaviour is not political. It is something that needs to be solved in the departments where these problems exist.

    You really make it seem like police departments across North America are routinely targeting and killing black people and that "cops are bad" and
    BLM is such a noble cause... that just isn't true by a long shot. Please provide me factual evidence to show me wrong. I already showed evidence to
    the contrary in a previous message.

    There are such things as bad cops, but its such a small percentage and you of all people should be mildly intelligent to realise that in 2020 everyone is a fucking filmmaker, where seconds of video sets a narrative; but the whole story and footage tells a different story altogether.

    I seriously doubt you are related to or friends with anyone in law enforcement for if you were you would not make such ongoing ignorant blanket statements.

    Have you actually sat down and talked to a cop about what it is they deal
    with? Our tax dollars rightfully go towards their trust that they will deal with crime and enforce laws that we often take for granted. What a cop goes through on a daily shift is no joke; its a seriously emotionally-taxing job
    to do. Could you be a cop for a day? I couldn't and doubt you could either.

    Sometimes a cop uses excessive force and thats bad, but not every cop is bad just like not every postal worker is going to shoot up their coworkers.

    Now in a large city (which I seriously doubt you live in), there exists areas which are of high crime, so naturally there is a high police presence. The
    BLM movement specifically calls for the defunding and/or abolishing of the police, so who will patrol and deal with crime in those neighborhoods? Don't believe me? Look at the BLM website.

    I have lived in downtown Toronto since 2007. Show me factual evidence of all of these problems you claim exist. Show me where Toronto cops routinely target and *KILL black people*.

    What part of "If you don't want to be arrested, don't commit a crime" seems to go over your head? Did you know that the vast majority of Toronto crime is gang-related? What should cops do, ask them politely to stop?

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, September 01, 2020 05:30:24
    Hello Aaron,

    If the police are so scared of women and babies, we really are in
    deep doo-doo. Not that any of those women and babies are as you claim >LL>"Democat-paid activists" - whatever that is.

    Nobody was killed in that protest, but people are getting killed in all the
    other peaceful riots.

    Joe Biden condemned all acts of violence, regardless of whatever
    side did it. And so should we all. As well as your dear preznit.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, September 01, 2020 05:30:50
    Hello Aaron,

    They took an oath. Nothing in that oath requires any of them to obey >LL>the whims of a wannabe dictator gone mad. So why do some do it?

    Trump didn't say "Fire the tear gas!" They made that decision on their own.

    Bullcrap.

    --Lee

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Nick Andre on Monday, August 31, 2020 20:20:46
    I don't think so. The BLM movement and the issue of police behaviour is not >> political. It is something that needs to be solved in the departments where >> these problems exist.

    You really make it seem like police departments across North America are routinely targeting and killing black people and that "cops are bad" and
    BLM is such a noble cause...

    I never said "cops are bad" or "BLM is a noble cause".

    that just isn't true by a long shot. Please provide me factual evidence to show me wrong. I already showed evidence to the contrary in a previous message.

    You have your own evidence and I am not going to try to back up something I never said.

    There are such things as bad cops, but its such a small percentage

    A cop putting his knee on someones neck for 8 minutes until they are dead or shooting someone in the back 7 times in front of his kids is indefensible.

    We see these things time and again, this is a continuing problem.

    I seriously doubt you are related to or friends with anyone in law enforcement for if you were you would not make such ongoing ignorant blanket statements.

    What do my friends and relatives have to do with any of this?

    Have you actually sat down and talked to a cop about what it is they deal with?

    Not recently but I have in the past, yes.

    Our tax dollars rightfully go towards their trust that they will deal
    with crime and enforce laws that we often take for granted. What a cop goes through on a daily shift is no joke; its a seriously emotionally-taxing job to do. Could you be a cop for a day? I couldn't and doubt you could either.

    There is no doubt in my mind that cops have a hard job to do and it's not a job
    for just anyone. Their job in simple terms is to serve and protect, not to kill
    and maim.

    Sometimes a cop uses excessive force and thats bad, but not every cop is bad just like not every postal worker is going to shoot up their coworkers.

    I believe that most cops are good people who try their best to always do the right thing.

    When a cop does something wrong they should be reprimanded for that and retrained when that is possible or let go. A permanent record should also be kept so that other jurisdictions don't unknowingly hire a bad cop.

    When a cop does something illegal, like killing someone unjustifiably they should be charged and have their day in court. That doesn't always happen.

    Now in a large city (which I seriously doubt you live in), there exists areas which are of high crime, so naturally there is a high police presence. The BLM movement specifically calls for the defunding and/or abolishing of the police, so who will patrol and deal with crime in those neighborhoods? Don't believe me? Look at the BLM website.

    I was born in Vancouver and spent most of my life there. Today I live in a small town. I like it here but Vancouver is still home to me.

    I have not, and will not speak of defunding or abolishing police.

    I have lived in downtown Toronto since 2007. Show me factual evidence of all of these problems you claim exist. Show me where Toronto cops routinely target and *KILL black people*.

    I have also not spoken of, and will not speak of whatever is happening in Toronto. If I had questions I would ask you since you live there.

    What part of "If you don't want to be arrested, don't commit a crime" seems to go over your head?

    Again, I never said that.

    Did you know that the vast majority of Toronto crime is gang-related? What should cops do, ask them politely to stop?

    Vancouver also has a lot of gang related crime. Gang related crime is a different topic I have not talked about.

    Cops are the good guys right? Cops should do the right thing, serve and protect, even when others don't.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Tuesday, September 01, 2020 09:50:40
    BLM is not minimizing deaths of other colours, I don't know why you take it that way.

    They shot some woman for saying "All lives matter."

    The coronavirus is not racist. It will make people sick and some will die regardless of their colour. Perhaps black people are more at risk and I do wish that on them, or anyone.

    You're right about that, and same here. But have you heard about this? The media, and Democratic NYC mayor Bill Deblasio want everyone to know that the virus is disproportionately infecting more blacks than whites. Notice how powerful a message like that can be?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Tuesday, September 01, 2020 10:08:59
    When a cop does something wrong they should be reprimanded for that and retrained when that is possible or let go. A permanent record should also b kept so that other jurisdictions don't unknowingly hire a bad cop.

    These things already exist. Derek Chauvin, the cop who knelt on George Floyd, is in jail right now. But that's not enough for extremists; they want ALL cops to pay for Derek Chauvin's crime.

    Sometimes members of our military mess up too, and they get reprimanded. But just imagine the consequences if we were to defund the military because of it?

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, September 01, 2020 13:43:14
    These things already exist. Derek Chauvin, the cop who knelt on George Floyd, is in jail right now. But that's not enough for extremists; they want ALL cops to pay for Derek Chauvin's crime.

    I can't speak for extremists but I think it will be enough to hold cops to account for their actions.

    In the case of the officer who shot Jacob Blake in the back, seven times (some might call that excessive force) in front of his kids was put on administrative
    leave after the incident. I don't know if or how that will change but I hope the police department there will hold that officer accountable for his actions.

    Sometimes members of our military mess up too, and they get reprimanded. But just imagine the consequences if we were to defund the military because of it?

    Nobody I know is talking about defunding police or the military.

    Well, I know Donald Trump and his RNC cohorts have brought it up saying it was a democrat policy, of course it is not and never was.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, September 01, 2020 13:55:06
    BLM is not minimizing deaths of other colours, I don't know why you take it >> that way.

    They shot some woman for saying "All lives matter."

    We all have differences. Some want vanilla and some want chocolate and some prefer strawberry. I don't think we need to grab our guns and start shooting because of that.

    I think black lives matter and I will argue my case for that but I will not shoot anyone regardless of whether or not they agree with me. Nor will I riot/burn/destroy for any cause or support any of that.

    These people who riot/burn/destroy/kill are not going to accomplish anything good.

    The coronavirus is not racist. It will make people sick and some will die
    regardless of their colour. Perhaps black people are more at risk and I do >> wish that on them, or anyone.

    You're right about that, and same here. But have you heard about this? The media, and Democratic NYC mayor Bill Deblasio want everyone to know that the virus is disproportionately infecting more blacks than whites. Notice how powerful a message like that can be?

    Even if you turn that message sideways it tells me the same thing, we need a solution for that. A solution for everyone.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Tuesday, September 01, 2020 20:07:45
    administrative leave after the incident. I don't know if or how that will change but I hope the police department there will hold that officer accountable for his actions.

    I'm sure they will hold the officer(s) accountable, and I'm sure it's being investigated. I just hope that's enough for the rioters; I want them to realize that they don't have to riot in order to get justice.

    Well, I know Donald Trump and his RNC cohorts have brought it up saying it a democrat policy, of course it is not and never was.

    It depends on which Democrats you're talking about; defunding police is a policy for New York City's Democrat mayor Bill Deblasio. He defunded the NYPD (that's the New York City Police Department) $1 billion dollars in response to peaceful rioters' demands. It's the same guy who hired his wife to investigate Covid's attack on blacks.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Tuesday, September 01, 2020 20:14:56
    These people who riot/burn/destroy/kill are not going to accomplish anythin

    They might be able to use the destruction to squeeze some desperate Joe Biden votes out of people. People might say to themselves, on election day, "I'm tired of all this destruction and Trump hasn't fixed it, so maybe Joe Biden will."

    I honestly think that's the reason why Democrats incite all these riots. Just for a few lousy votes. Then they can say "Look, we won the popular vote in
    the riot cities."

    virus is disproportionately infecting more blacks than whites. Notice how powerful a message like that can be?

    Even if you turn that message sideways it tells me the same thing, we need solution for that. A solution for everyone.

    You're a good person! I'm willing to trade Canada a few rioters for a few Als.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, September 03, 2020 09:13:40
    On 30 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    You are correct in that it was forcefully cleared, people were gassed
    with pepper spray, hit with batons and shields. The people were
    peaceful. There was much coverage and criticism of the event. The
    people who were shot with rubber bullets were another night, my mistake.

    We have all seen how quickly these so called peaceful protest can become volatile.

    What are they protesting about in first place?

    Black Job equality? These people have affirmative action, getting hired
    based on their skin color is racist. It should be the right person wither a man or a women of any race.

    Black people wouldn't get killed by a officer's gun, if they would simply comply with Police instruction, then there would be no need for the BLM and every corporate merchandiser big to small, including sports organizations standing in allegiance with criminals. I am convinced that they are doing
    this to save face, so that they don't get the hand of the black man waving in their face. So freakin ridiculous. People need to rise or fall on their own merits. Indeed, Enough is Enough but not in the way it's being portrayed.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, September 04, 2020 03:02:12
    On 09-03-20 09:13, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-

    You are correct in that it was forcefully cleared, people were gassed
    with pepper spray, hit with batons and shields. The people were
    peaceful. There was much coverage and criticism of the event. The
    people who were shot with rubber bullets were another night, my mistake.

    We have all seen how quickly these so called peaceful protest can
    become volatile.

    Sometimes precipitated by the actions of the police, sometimes by
    radical right-wing groups, and always by a small percentage of those who
    are there.

    What are they protesting about in first place?

    Against systemic racial prejudice and the resulting actions.

    Black Job equality? These people have affirmative action, getting
    hired based on their skin color is racist. It should be the right
    person wither a man or a women of any race.

    Of course it should be. But all too often it is not. In a previous
    life, I had the opportunity to help evaluate people for promotion. It
    became obvious that people had been held back because of previous discrimination. For example, even though their performance was equal to
    other candidates they would be discriminated against because they did
    not get a college degree 20 years ago. Some did not have the same job
    record because of discrimination in previous years. It would be
    wonderful if we did not feel a need to take such past discrimination
    into account, and maybe someday that will be true. We are not yet
    there.

    Black people wouldn't get killed by a officer's gun, if they would
    simply comply with Police instruction,

    It is a fact of life for people of color that they are often treated differently from others by police. There are times when the "police instruction" is absurd.

    There are also times when black people are killed simply because they
    are perceived as being in a place where they do not belong.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Friday, September 04, 2020 10:14:33
    life, I had the opportunity to help evaluate people for promotion. It became obvious that people had been held back because of previous

    Employment/promotion discrimination seems to be a regional thing, or a case-by-case thing. Not a thing that happens everywhere all the time. I've seen it firsthand too. When I saw it, it was an Indian discriminating against a black man. Then years later, it was latinos discriminating against a white man - that white man being me - and it happened on numerous occasions. Where were the peaceful protesters when I needed them?

    It is a fact of life for people of color that they are often treated differently from others by police. There are times when the "police

    You're making a mistake: Only black people are treated differently by police - isn't that what the narrative said? Refer to the liberal bible page 1.

    There are also times when black people are killed simply because they
    are perceived as being in a place where they do not belong.

    There you go! Just blacks. Only blacks are victims, nobody else. Remember to keep that story straight. You'll be drinking wine coolers with Trevor Noah in a hot tub some day soon!

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, September 05, 2020 09:41:12
    On 04 Sep 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    Of course it should be. But all too often it is not. In a previous
    life, I had the opportunity to help evaluate people for promotion. It became obvious that people had been held back because of previous discrimination. For example, even though their performance was equal to other candidates they would be discriminated against because they did
    not get a college degree 20 years ago. Some did not have the same job record because of discrimination in previous years. It would be
    wonderful if we did not feel a need to take such past discrimination
    into account, and maybe someday that will be true. We are not yet
    there.

    In a previous life? What is this, the twilight zone?

    You need to think about the employers needs, of course they would want
    someone who is the best qualified and reliable person for their business and someone who has the best ability to do the job.
    There is too much focus how things used to be and it is often a hindrance and not within the reality of today.

    Black people wouldn't get killed by a officer's gun, if they would simply comply with Police instruction,

    It is a fact of life for people of color that they are often treated differently from others by police. There are times when the "police instruction" is absurd.

    One of the reasons they could be treated differently is because they have
    seen how this plays out time and time again, so of course they would be on
    the offensive side, if black folks were smart they would realize this and be nothing but respectful.

    There are also times when black people are killed simply because they
    are perceived as being in a place where they do not belong.

    That is total bunch of liberal BS, if this was the case you would be
    seeing much more (like 100x) of the havoc you are seeing now.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, September 06, 2020 01:04:00
    On 09-05-20 09:41, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-

    There are also times when black people are killed simply because they
    are perceived as being in a place where they do not belong.

    That is total bunch of liberal BS, if this was the case you would be seeing much more (like 100x) of the havoc you are seeing now.

    Really, BS? Tell that to Trayvon Martin, Breonna Taylor and Ahmaud
    Arbrey. Oh, I guess you can't. They got shot and killed simply for
    being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The first and last were
    shot by vigilanties who just did not think that they belonged in the neighborhood.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, September 06, 2020 20:09:56
    Hello Dale,

    There are also times when black people are killed simply because they >DS>are perceived as being in a place where they do not belong.

    That is total bunch of liberal BS, if this was the case you would be >GD>seeing much more (like 100x) of the havoc you are seeing now.

    Really, BS? Tell that to Trayvon Martin, Breonna Taylor and Ahmaud
    Arbrey. Oh, I guess you can't. They got shot and killed simply for
    being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The first and last were
    shot by vigilanties who just did not think that they belonged in the >neighborhood.

    I am sure Mister Rogers would have welcomed them all -

    It's a beautiful day in this neighborhood,
    A beautiful day for a neighbor.
    Would you be mine?
    Could you be mine?

    It's a neighborly day in this beauty wood,
    A neighborly day for a beauty,
    Would you be mine?
    Could you be mine?

    I have always wanted to have a neighbor just like you!
    I've always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you.
    So let's make the most of this beautiful day,
    Since we're together we might as well say,
    Would you be mine?
    Could you be mine?
    Won't you be my neighbor?
    Won't you please,
    Won't you please?
    Please won't you be my neighbor?

    --
    We Put Big Loads In Tight Places

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, September 06, 2020 20:10:56
    Hello Greg,

    You are correct in that it was forcefully cleared, people were gassed >DS>with pepper spray, hit with batons and shields. The people were >DS>peaceful. There was much coverage and criticism of the event. The >DS>people who were shot with rubber bullets were another night, my mistake.

    We have all seen how quickly these so called peaceful protest can become >volatile.

    When police and other law enforcement start throwing tear gas and
    other stuff at peaceful protesters, stuff happens.

    What are they protesting about in first place?

    Wrongs they perceive as having taken place. Or wrongs they would
    like to see corrected.

    Black Job equality?

    Whatever they want. Just like the Tea Party having the right
    to protest - about whatever they wanted. That is the way things
    are supposed to be in America. We the people have Constitutional
    rights. And the freedom to exercise those rights.

    Trump and his supporters do not like that. So they are having
    a hissy fit.

    Gonna be a fun night on the first Tuesday in November.

    --Lee

    --
    If it doesn't get all over the place, it doesn't belong in your face.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, September 07, 2020 01:28:37
    Please won't you be my neighbor?

    --
    We Put Big Loads In Tight Places

    Mr Rogers could have shortened the song with just that tagline. That's
    all he what he was probably getting at :)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, September 07, 2020 01:32:51
    Trump and his supporters do not like that. So they are having
    a hissy fit.

    Give us some credit. What we don't like about the protests is that they are obviously not at all peaceful.

    Try changing all this horrible crap into strictly peaceful protests, and you might even be able to get Trump to help with your cause.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, September 07, 2020 16:08:27
    Hello Aaron,

    Please won't you be my neighbor?
    -- LL>We Put Big Loads In Tight Places

    Mr Rogers could have shortened the song with just that tagline. That's all
    he what he was probably getting at :)

    He was a strange character in real life. Actor Tom Hanks said he
    had to learn all his habits and mannerisms in order to play the part.
    I think the red cardigan sweater worn by Mister Rogers is on display
    at the Smithsonian, as his show influenced millions of youngsters.

    --Lee

    --
    It Ain't Payday If It Ain't Nuts In Your Mouth

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, September 07, 2020 16:09:18
    Hello Aaron,

    Trump and his supporters do not like that. So they are having
    a hissy fit.

    Give us some credit. What we don't like about the protests is that they are
    obviously not at all peaceful.

    People have a constitutional right to protest. Sending in law
    enforcement to disrupt peaceful protests in order to have a photo
    op for the president is illegal.

    Try changing all this horrible crap into strictly peaceful protests, and you
    might even be able to get Trump to help with your cause.

    After he leaves office on January 20, 2021 Trump can lead his
    own Tea Party group of peaceful protests all he wants.

    --Lee

    --
    Food for the Fun of It

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, September 07, 2020 23:19:40
    He was a strange character in real life. Actor Tom Hanks said he

    Hanks is a pretty strange character too.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, September 07, 2020 23:24:25
    People have a constitutional right to protest. Sending in law

    Rioting is illegal. Ask your buddies for me how much for an iphone?

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 02:11:13
    Hello Aaron,

    He was a strange character in real life. Actor Tom Hanks said he

    Hanks is a pretty strange character too.

    You have to be. If you want to be an actor.

    --Lee

    --
    No Trump! No KKK! No fascist USA!

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 02:12:11
    Hello Aaron,

    People have a constitutional right to protest. Sending in law

    Rioting is illegal. Ask your buddies for me how much for an iphone?

    They're free. Why do you ask?

    --Lee

    --
    Nobody Beats Our Meat

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Friday, September 11, 2020 20:43:00
    On 09-07-20, AARON THOMAS said to LEE LOFASO:

    Trump and his supporters do not like that. So they are having
    a hissy fit.


    Give us some credit. What we don't like about the protests is that they AT>are obviously not at all peaceful.


    Try changing all this horrible crap into strictly peaceful protests, and AT>you might even be able to get Trump to help with your cause.


    The longer these riots and arsons go on, the more people bail out of the leftist deomcrat cities where they are happening.


    Tagline;


    "Black Privilage: The ability to break every law in the country and still be considered `the victim'!"






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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Tim Richardson on Saturday, September 12, 2020 01:10:59
    On 11 Sep 20 20:43:00, Tim Richardson said the following to Aaron Thomas:

    The longer these riots and arsons go on, the more people bail out of the leftist deomcrat cities where they are happening.

    Everyone cannot see that the longer the riots go on, the more its an advertisement to vote for Trump. The average American does not want violence and mayhem in their country, they want peace and all of this nonsense to stop. Especially when a so-called peaceful protestor is shown helping themselves to
    a flat-screen TV all in the name of "systemic racism".

    Nick

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Tim Richardson on Saturday, September 12, 2020 11:28:21
    The longer these riots and arsons go on, the more people bail out of the leftist deomcrat cities where they are happening.

    BLM came to my town, destroyed a few things, and now they're long gone. The damage they did here was only $750,000 but we are a small town and the repairs have not even begun. (BLM destroyed city property back on August 2nd.)

    I think that when Black Lives Matter destroys city property, they should lose their right to protest in that city. After all, people lose their right to own guns at certain points in their lives, so other rights should be used as leverage too.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, September 12, 2020 14:26:24
    BLM came to my town, destroyed a few things, and now they're long gone. The
    damage they did here was only $750,000 but we are a small town and the repairs
    have not even begun. (BLM destroyed city property back on August 2nd.)

    Somebody did that late at night after a BLM protest.

    I think that when Black Lives Matter destroys city property, they should lose
    their right to protest in that city. After all, people lose their right to own
    guns at certain points in their lives, so other rights should be used as leverage too.

    Do you know who did that, and were they arrested and charged?

    There was a BLM protest and those protesters are responsible for that, not the destruction of city property.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, September 13, 2020 00:18:29
    Somebody did that late at night after a BLM protest.

    So you're saying that a Trump supporter did this to make it look like BLM did it?

    Do you know who did that, and were they arrested and charged?

    Nope. There were hundreds of people at the protest, which originated at the park. Surely somebody from the protest got the smart idea to punish all the children of Binghamton for the actions of George Floyd and Derek Chauvin.

    Maybe Joe Biden should pay for the park to be restored. It was his employees who caused the damage. If and when they ever get caught, is Joe going to still bail them out even if it's after the election?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, September 12, 2020 22:06:32
    Somebody did that late at night after a BLM protest.

    So you're saying that a Trump supporter did this to make it look like BLM did it?

    Read what I said again.

    Do you know who did that, and were they arrested and charged?

    Nope.

    So how can you be sure it was BLM protesters that did that?

    https://youtu.be/iBbPJsNZMPg?list=PL7dQWce1VEocpy_roJddRkG9bGLIgClyd

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, September 13, 2020 10:45:51
    So how can you be sure it was BLM protesters that did that?

    This is a small town, we don't have arson every day. When BLM is burning buildings and police cars all over the USA, then they come to our park and leave with it in flames, I choose reality over political correctness.

    This is also a Democrat town. We do what's politically correct I guess, and in this case that involves turning our backs on the city's poorest children in favor of BLM, all because of George Floyd & his stupid fake $20.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, September 13, 2020 14:43:36
    So how can you be sure it was BLM protesters that did that?

    This is a small town, we don't have arson every day.

    I hope there will be no more of that in your town/state/country.

    When BLM is burning buildings and police cars all over the USA, then they come to our park and leave with it in flames, I choose reality over
    political correctness.

    BLM is a justice movement, You keep telling me you want Law & Order. Law & Order includes everyone doesn't it?

    We don't know who burned your park. When/if we do we can get justice for this also regardless of who did it or why.

    This is also a Democrat town. We do what's politically correct I guess, and in this case that involves turning our backs on the city's poorest children in favor of BLM, all because of George Floyd & his stupid fake $20.

    Democrat or republican, no one is turning there back on you or your children.

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  • From Janis Kracht@1:261/38 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, September 13, 2020 20:20:18
    So how can you be sure it was BLM protesters that did that?

    This is a small town, we don't have arson every day. When BLM is burning buildings and police cars all over the USA, then they come to our park and leave with it in flames, I choose reality over political correctness.

    Catch up on the news, Aaron...

    "In Binghamton, hundreds of protesters march in solidarity with Rochester activists"

    Here's a link, since you seem to have missed it:

    https://www.pressconnects.com/story/news/local/2020/09/13/binghamton-protesters -march-solidarity-rochester-activists/5781963002/

    Clip of the article:

    Hundreds of protesters marched to downtown Binghamton on Saturday night in solidarity with those in Rochester who have been demonstrating nightly for over
    a week after the news of the death of Daniel Prude was made public.

    Prude, 41, died of asphyxiation earlier this year after Rochester police officers trying to take him into protective custody pinned him to the ground while restraining him.

    The incident occurred in March -- two months before George Floyd's very similar
    death in Minneapolis touched off nationwide protests -- yet it didn't become public until this month.

    More: How Daniel Prude suffocated as Rochester police restrained him

    Saturday's march in Binghamton, dubbed "Upstate Uprising" by organizers, was in
    support of those speaking out against Prude's death, as well as in reaction to the deaths of others that have made national news, including Breonna Taylor, Ahmaud Arbery, and Floyd. It continues a series of marches and rallies that have taken place in Broome and the adjacent counties since May 31. [...]

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Janis Kracht on Sunday, September 13, 2020 23:38:18
    "In Binghamton, hundreds of protesters march in solidarity with Rochester activists"

    Nothing seems to have been destroyed this time. I'm happy about that. Why couldn't BLM behave like these Binghamton protesters?

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Thursday, September 17, 2020 20:01:00
    On 09-12-20, AARON THOMAS said to TIM RICHARDSON:


    The longer these riots and arsons go on, the more people bail out of the leftist deomcrat cities where they are happening.


    BLM came to my town, destroyed a few things, and now they're long gone. AT>The damage they did here was only $750,000 but we are a small town and the AT>repairs have not even begun. (BLM destroyed city property back on August


    2nd.) I think that when Black Lives Matter destroys city property, they AT>should lose their right to protest in that city. After all, people lose AT>their right to own guns at certain points in their lives, so other rights AT>should be used as leverage too.


    I'm waiting for them to go to the wrong place at the wrong time and run into a heavily-armed group of militia members who blow a few of them away!


    Or the right businessman inside his place of business when the arsonists and looters show up to break his windows and he cuts loose with a 12 guage, taking about five or more out!


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to NICK ANDRE on Thursday, September 17, 2020 20:12:00
    On 09-12-20, NICK ANDRE said to TIM RICHARDSON:

    On 11 Sep 20 20:43:00, Tim Richardson said the following to Aaron Thomas:

    The longer these riots and arsons go on, the more people bail out of the leftist deomcrat cities where they are happening.

    Everyone cannot see that the longer the riots go on, the more its an NA>advertisement to vote for Trump. The average American does not want NA>violence and mayhem in their country, they want peace and all of this NA>nonsense to stop. Especially when a so-called peaceful protestor is shown NA>helping themselves to a flat-screen TV all in the name of "systemic NA>racism". Nick



    They're trying to rename it `Reparations'! It isn't `looting'...its `Reparations'!


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to NICK ANDRE on Thursday, September 17, 2020 20:40:00
    On 09-12-20, NICK ANDRE said to TIM RICHARDSON:

    On 11 Sep 20 20:43:00, Tim Richardson said the following to Aaron Thomas:


    The longer these riots and arsons go on, the more people bail out of the leftist deomcrat cities where they are happening.


    Everyone cannot see that the longer the riots go on, the more its an NA>advertisement to vote for Trump. The average American does not want NA>violence and mayhem in their country, they want peace and all of this NA>nonsense to stop. Especially when a so-called peaceful protestor is shown NA>helping themselves to a flat-screen TV all in the name of "systemic NA>racism". Nick


    They recently tried to re-label it `Reparations'! Problem is...none of the plantation owners in the South owned flat-screened HD Tv sets!



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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Friday, September 25, 2020 22:44:00
    On 09-13-20, AARON THOMAS said to JANIS KRACHT:

    "In Binghamton, hundreds of protesters march in solidarity with Rochester activists"


    Nothing seems to have been destroyed this time. I'm happy about that. Why AT>couldn't BLM behave like these Binghamton protesters?


    I know a lilttle bit about Bingamton, NY. My two older sons live in the area. Its not a place that would just stand by and see their businesses looted and set afire. There'd probably be one hell of a reaction by the citizenry. The southern tier of NY is a little different place than living where Kracht is.


    I was born and raised in Rochester, NY. Not surprised that violent riots broke out there. I read what was available on the incident that sparked them. It has the feel of phoney outrage to it. Anything for a new flatscreen TV!



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Tim Richardson on Saturday, September 26, 2020 02:30:14
    I know a lilttle bit about Bingamton, NY. My two older sons live in the are Its not a place that would just stand by and see their businesses looted an

    We didn't have any reason for racial division prior to Joe Biden's good friend George Floyd. But now Joe "they ain't black" Biden and his buddies in the media are stirring the pot of hatred and distrust.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, September 26, 2020 08:13:27
    On 26 Sep 20 02:30, Aaron Thomas said the following to Tim Richardson:

    I know a lilttle bit about Bingamton, NY. My two older sons live in the are Its not a place that would just stand by and see their businesses looted an

    We didn't have any reason for racial division prior to Joe Biden's good fri George Floyd. But now Joe "they ain't black" Biden and his buddies in the media are stirring the pot of hatred and distrust.

    Obama actually caused a lot of it in the name of "hope and change". Prior to him, race relations were relatively okay. We were kindof afraid of Muslims after 9/11 but we were not rioting about it.

    Nick

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, September 17, 2020 14:32:57
    On 06 Sep 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    Really, BS? Tell that to Trayvon Martin, Breonna Taylor and Ahmaud Arbrey. Oh, I guess you can't. They got shot and killed simply for
    being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The first and last were
    shot by vigilanties who just did not think that they belonged in the neighborhood.

    Each and everyone of your examples are really poor examples on your part
    as they do not prove you case, in-fact they prove my point.

    Trayvon Martin died as a result for getting into a fight and tried to take
    the gun from George Zimmerman. It's not like Trayvon Martin got shot for
    just walking down the street.

    Breonna Taylor
    Officers did have a warrant for Walker who the police had reason to believe
    was dealing drugs. He meaning (walker) opened fire first, shooting and
    injuring officer, John Mattingly, who required surgery. Taylor was shot in
    the crossfire.

    Ahmaud Arbery
    On February 23, 2020, Ahmaud Marquez Arbery, an unarmed 25-year-old African-American man, was pursued and fatally shot while jogging near
    Brunswick in Glynn County, Georgia. Arbery had been pursued by three white residents-Travis McMichael and his father Gregory, who were armed and driving
    a pickup truck, and William "Roddie" Bryan, who followed Arbery in a second vehicle-and was confronted and fatally shot by Travis McMichael.

    See all three proves my point, they were not gunned down by Police.
    Blacks die by the hundreds each and every weekend on the Southside of Chicago, where is your outrage about that?









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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, September 27, 2020 01:21:06
    On 09-17-20 14:32, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-

    Really, BS? Tell that to Trayvon Martin, Breonna Taylor and Ahmaud Arbrey. Oh, I guess you can't. They got shot and killed simply for
    being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The first and last were
    shot by vigilanties who just did not think that they belonged in the neighborhood.

    Each and everyone of your examples are really poor examples on your
    part as they do not prove you case, in-fact they prove my point.

    You can try to spin them to your point of view, but it does not work.

    Trayvon Martin died as a result for getting into a fight and tried to
    take the gun from George Zimmerman. It's not like Trayvon Martin got
    shot for just walking down the street.

    He was walking down the street when he was accosted Zimmerman, a wanna
    be vigilanties. If Zimmerman had not done that Trayvon would not have
    been shot. There was no justification for Zimmerman to have even
    bothered Trayvon, other than his prejudicial perception that Trayvon did
    not belong in that neighborhood.

    Breonna Taylor
    Officers did have a warrant for Walker who the police had reason to believe was dealing drugs. He meaning (walker) opened fire first,
    shooting and injuring officer, John Mattingly, who required surgery. Taylor was shot in the crossfire.

    Walker opened fire because he believed he was being invaded by
    thieves. If the police had not fired randomly,Breonna would not have
    been shot.

    Ahmaud Arbery
    On February 23, 2020, Ahmaud Marquez Arbery, an unarmed 25-year-old African-American man, was pursued and fatally shot while jogging near Brunswick in Glynn County, Georgia. Arbery had been pursued by three
    white residents-Travis McMichael and his father Gregory, who were armed and driving a pickup truck, and William "Roddie" Bryan, who followed Arbery in a second vehicle-and was confronted and fatally shot by
    Travis McMichael.

    DUH -- that is exactly what I said. Thanks for confirming.

    See all three proves my point, they were not gunned down by Police.

    I did not say that all three were gunned down by police. Try reading
    what you are responding to.

    Blacks die by the hundreds each and every weekend on the Southside of Chicago, where is your outrage about that?

    Another case, another tragedy. And one that authorities are attempting
    to address.

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Saturday, October 03, 2020 16:40:00
    On 09-26-20, AARON THOMAS said to TIM RICHARDSON:

    I know a lilttle bit about Bingamton, NY. My two older sons live in the
    are TR> Its not a place that would just stand by and see their businesses




    We didn't have any reason for racial division prior to Joe
    Biden's good friend George Floyd. But now Joe "they ain't black" Biden and AT>his buddies in the media are stirring the pot of hatred and distrust.



    That is a common democrat trait; stir the pot of hatred, distrust, and toss in the race card at every opportunity.



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