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    From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, January 02, 2020 15:12:49
    Hello Dale,

    [..]

    They do not have one single fact witness. Only hear-say witnesses, and >TR>a pack of academics who's best contribution was out-right Trump hate!

    There were numerous witnesses who testified in open hearings, including >several who were there when the call was made. They are not hear-say >witnesses. All of the fact based witnesses were career employees and >testified to things based on their direct knowledge.

    How many Republicans voted in favor of article 1
    (abuse of power)?

    How many Republicans voted in favor of article 2
    (obstruction of Congress)?

    Article 1 was passed by a vote of 230-197.
    Article 2 was passed by a vote of 229-198.

    No Republicans voted against their lord and savior, Donald Trump.

    So ...

    What does it matter how many witnesses who testify in open hearings?
    Even if they had direct knowledge of what happened, or if they were
    eye witnesses? Facts do not matter when it comes to this bunch, who
    have clearly chosen to put party above country.

    The Republican party no longer exists as a political party. It
    has devolved into something else. Call it Trumpism or whatever else
    might come to mind. A cult of personality, with Trump at the helm
    for now. What comes next makes me shudder.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, January 02, 2020 15:16:57
    Hello Dale,

    [..]

    They do not have one single fact witness. Only hear-say witnesses, and >TR>a pack of academics who's best contribution was out-right Trump hate!

    There were numerous witnesses who testified in open hearings, including >several who were there when the call was made. They are not hear-say >witnesses. All of the fact based witnesses were career employees and >testified to things based on their direct knowledge.

    How many Republicans voted in favor of article 1
    (abuse of power)?

    How many Republicans voted in favor of article 2
    (obstruction of Congress)?

    Article 1 was passed by a vote of 230-197.
    Article 2 was passed by a vote of 229-198.

    No Republicans voted against their lord and savior, Donald Trump.

    So ...

    What does it matter how many witnesses who testify in open hearings?
    Even if they had direct knowledge of what happened, or if they were
    eye witnesses? Facts do not matter when it comes to this bunch, who
    have clearly chosen to put party above country.

    The Republican party no longer exists as a political party. It
    has devolved into something else. Call it Trumpism or whatever else
    might come to mind. A cult of personality, with Trump at the helm
    for now. What comes next makes me shudder.

    --Lee

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    We're Great In Bed

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, January 02, 2020 19:07:22
    On 02 Jan 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Hello Dale,

    [..]

    They do not have one single fact witness. Only hear-say witnesses, and >TR>a pack of academics who's best contribution was out-right Trump hate!

    There were numerous witnesses who testified in open hearings, including >several who were there when the call was made. They are not hear-say >witnesses. All of the fact based witnesses were career employees and >testified to things based on their direct knowledge.

    How many Republicans voted in favor of article 1
    (abuse of power)?

    How many Republicans voted in favor of article 2
    (obstruction of Congress)?

    Article 1 was passed by a vote of 230-197.
    Article 2 was passed by a vote of 229-198.

    Mark my words this vote will come back to haunt them and their political futures.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, January 04, 2020 02:41:51
    Hello Greg,

    LL> >TR>They do not have one single fact witness. Only hear-say
    witnesses, and
    LL> >TR>a pack of academics who's best contribution was out-right Trump hate!
    LL> >
    LL> >There were numerous witnesses who testified in open hearings, including
    LL> >several who were there when the call was made. They are not
    hear-say
    LL> >witnesses. All of the fact based witnesses were career employees
    and
    LL> >testified to things based on their direct knowledge.
    LL>
    LL> How many Republicans voted in favor of article 1
    LL> (abuse of power)?
    LL>
    LL> How many Republicans voted in favor of article 2
    LL> (obstruction of Congress)?
    LL>
    LL> Article 1 was passed by a vote of 230-197.
    LL> Article 2 was passed by a vote of 229-198.

    Mark my words this vote will come back to haunt them and their political >futures.

    Like the House vote to impeach Clinton over a hummer?

    --Lee

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Lee Lofaso on Saturday, January 04, 2020 13:43:00
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

    Like the House vote to impeach Clinton over a hummer?

    I see your grasp of history is well rooted in the Soviet-style.

    Clinton was not impeached over a hummer. He was impeached over lying about it.
    That's ignoring the fact that such behavior would be a fireable offence in just about every company at the time.

    As I read over the Articles of Impeachment of Clinton, they basically can be summed up like this:
    He lied. Under oath.
    He tried to cover up the lies by doing various things.

    So, in effect, they tried to impeach Clinton for being a Democrat. It's no wonder why he wasn't convicted.


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