• Floyd

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Tim Richardson on Saturday, June 06, 2020 02:53:04
    On 06-05-20 18:38, Tim Richardson <=-
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    Reports are that Floyd had just tried to pass a couple of counterfeit
    $20 bills.

    I.e. a misdemeanor -- not a felony. He might have not even been aware
    that it was counterfeit.

    Which may be why the cops had come in contact with him to begin with.

    Struth.

    Secondly, although the treatment of him during the arrest was in-excusable, and the cop who was kneeling on him such that it put him
    in dire life threatening danger should be prosecuted, Floyd is hardly
    the stuff of martyrs.

    It was not just inexcusable, it was criminal. And Floyd has become a
    martyr as a result of the fact that the crime was so clearly and
    publically documented.

    According to his past record he was a convicted felon. He had arrests
    for drug possession, theft, and was convicted of an armed robbery in
    2007 for which he was sentenced to five years in prison. In the course
    of that armed robbery he held a gun to a woman's stomach and threatened
    to kill her if the money wasn't forthcoming!

    I.e. a decade ago and something that should not have even been a part of
    the current incident.

    He had been living a good and legal life since he was released from
    prison.

    Theft, various counts of possession of cocaine, criminal trespass, and
    he also used several aliases. According to a toxicology report he had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system when he died.

    Those are drugs sometimes prescribed for pain management. The question
    might be whether or not the presence of those drugs was prescribed or
    not.

    He and the cop responsible for his death knew each other and worked together. They were on some sort of security team at a night club.

    Which might elevate the murder charges to first degree if Chauvin had a
    beef against Floyd at that club.


    Questions of `how did Floyd get such a job with his record'....`was
    there some sort of grudge between him and the cop who caused his
    death?' won't come up anytime soon.

    OH? People who have served time should not be hired in spite of having
    no record or offenses for years? Is that your considered opinion?

    Anyway, none of that matters to the left....they were looking for an excuse to get a free new plasma tv and a bunch of top shelf whiskey,
    and Floyd is a bolt out of the blue for them.

    What does left or right have to do with looters. They are opportunist criminals and should not be equated with peaceful protesters.

    His death was unnecessary. Even prosecutable. But not in any way an
    excuse for murder, looting and arson.

    His "crime", if there was one, was not in any way an excuse for murder.
    There is never any excuse for looting and arson -- but you should not
    paint all of the thousands of peaceful protesters with that brush.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, June 07, 2020 11:05:56
    I.e. a misdemeanor -- not a felony. He might have not even been aware that it was counterfeit.

    That's still a federal offense with a penalty of up to 20 years in prison.
    Not the same as stealing a candy bar.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, June 07, 2020 22:20:17
    Hello Aaron,

    I.e. a misdemeanor -- not a felony. He might have not even been aware >DS>that it was counterfeit.

    That's still a federal offense with a penalty of up to 20 years in prison.
    Not the same as stealing a candy bar.

    A few years ago, two kids got busted for using fake $20 bills -
    the countefeits being cutouts from an advertisement in the local
    newspaper. But at least nobody stepped on their necks to keep
    them from breathing after they got caught.

    Of course, being juveniles they could not be summarilly executed
    or put in prison for the rest of their sorry lives. But we all know
    those who caught them in the act would never be prosecuted even if
    they had done what cops did to Floyd.

    Too bad Floyd was not just a little kid. Shoulda known better, right?
    It was all his fault that four cops murdered him because they suspected
    he may have tried to use fake $20 bills. Not that he resisted arrest,
    or had made threats against anybody. But because he was a black man
    they did not like, and for that he deserved to die.

    Face it. Murder is murder. Kneeling on anybody's neck for eight
    minutes and forty-six seconds will kill them. Kid or not. All four
    of them should have been charged with first degree murder, then
    convicted and sentenced for said crime.

    --Lee

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, June 07, 2020 18:07:12
    Hello Lee,

    Face it. Murder is murder. Kneeling on anybody's neck for eight
    minutes and forty-six seconds will kill them. Kid or not. All four
    of them should have been charged with first degree murder, then
    convicted and sentenced for said crime.

    What is the difference between 1st and 2nd degree murder in the US?

    This was a brutal murder but it wasn't premeditated (AFAIK).

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, June 07, 2020 21:44:50
    newspaper. But at least nobody stepped on their necks to keep
    them from breathing after they got caught.

    At least it's only 1 cop who's a murderous psycho, and not all cops.

    or had made threats against anybody. But because he was a black man
    they did not like, and for that he deserved to die.

    How does Floyd's color have anything to do with his death? Did one of those cops say the N word? How can their charges be upgraded to 'hate crime' just because they were non-blacks? Are we hungry for some electronics from Target?

    minutes and forty-six seconds will kill them. Kid or not. All four
    of them should have been charged with first degree murder, then
    convicted and sentenced for said crime.

    They all look pretty guilty to me, but of different crimes. The 3 cops who ignored the murder can't possibly be guilty of first degree murder, unless
    they helped plan the murder - do you think they helped plan it?

    Your judgment seems rushed - wouldn't it be easier to just declare war on non-blacks? Everyone protest by stealing something from a non-white's store?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Alan Ianson on Monday, June 08, 2020 17:36:45
    Hello Alan,

    Face it. Murder is murder. Kneeling on anybody's neck for eight
    minutes and forty-six seconds will kill them. Kid or not. All four
    of them should have been charged with first degree murder, then >LL>convicted and sentenced for said crime.

    What is the difference between 1st and 2nd degree murder in the US?

    Life and Death.

    A conviction of 1st degree murder means we get to kill the condemned
    with the state's blessing.

    A conviction of 2nd degree murder means we have to let the condemned
    live behind bars for the rest of his days.

    This was a brutal murder but it wasn't premeditated (AFAIK).

    The man was in custody, and in restraints, posing no threat to either
    himself or to others. How could it not have been premeditated? You are
    talking about a guy, in restraints, being pinned down by a cop who is
    kneeling on his neck, for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, while three other
    cops chose to do nothing to save the poor soul.

    Some have called this a good old-fashioned lynching, given the fact
    it was a black man who lost his life at the hands of a white man who
    clearly had it in for him. The others who helped him do it are just
    as guilty. Four [former] cops, three of them white and one of them
    Asian. Would have made fine KKK members in the good ol' days.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, June 08, 2020 17:36:57
    Hello Aaron,

    newspaper. But at least nobody stepped on their necks to keep
    them from breathing after they got caught.

    At least it's only 1 cop who's a murderous psycho, and not all cops.

    By doing nothing to stop the other cop they were all complicit.
    Did they assist the other cop in putting him on the ground? That
    is a possibility that cannot be discounted, in which case they
    could all have been active participants. Either way, all are guilty
    of murder.

    or had made threats against anybody. But because he was a black man >LL>they did not like, and for that he deserved to die.

    How does Floyd's color have anything to do with his death?

    He was a a black guy who was murdered by four cops, three of them
    white and one of them Asian. Some view that as being a lynching.
    Kind of like what the KKK used to do, and would be continuing to
    do if it could get away with it.

    Did one of those cops say the N word?

    George Wallace never said the N word in public. Does that mean
    he was not a racist?

    How can their charges be upgraded to 'hate crime' just because they were
    non-blacks?

    Some say the charges should be upgraded to 'hate crime' -
    not because the former cops were white or Asian but because
    George Floyd was singled out for being black.

    Are we hungry for some electronics from Target?

    I dunno. Never bothered with or needed Target practice.
    Besides. I use a stick. Hand-made. Nothing electronic. Best
    self-defense tool there is. But you do have know how to use
    it.

    minutes and forty-six seconds will kill them. Kid or not. All four
    of them should have been charged with first degree murder, then >LL>convicted and sentenced for said crime.

    They all look pretty guilty to me, but of different crimes.

    Murder is murder. No matter what you call it, it is still murder.

    The 3 cops who ignored the murder can't possibly be guilty of first degree
    murder, unless they helped plan the murder - do you think they helped plan it?

    They were all together on it. So yes, they did it.

    Your judgment seems rushed - wouldn't it be easier to just declare war on
    non-blacks?

    If I did that, my Latina friend would never forgive me. And then
    I would have holy hell to pay.

    Everyone protest by stealing something from a non-white's store?

    Gotta go to where the goods are. Doesn't work the other way around.
    Everybody knows that. :)

    --Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, June 08, 2020 02:37:00
    On 06-07-20 11:05, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-


    I.e. a misdemeanor -- not a felony. He might have not even been aware that it was counterfeit.

    That's still a federal offense with a penalty of up to 20 years in
    prison. Not the same as stealing a candy bar.

    Check again. You are wrong. Passing a single counterfit currency bill
    is at most a misdemeanor. What you are refering to is the *making* of counterfit currency, which is a felony.

    Consider the possibility -- he works a bar. The bar takes in a lot of
    cash money and pays him in cash, including a single counterfit $20 bill. Unaware, he uses that bill to buy cigarettes. That scenario is more
    plausible than thinking that he is out there making and spending
    counterfit money, and then staying in the place where he passed such a
    bill. If he were knowingly passing counterfit currency, wouldn't he
    have left the area?

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, June 09, 2020 09:47:21
    Consider the possibility -- he works a bar. The bar takes in a lot of

    You're a nice guy for wanting to give a suspect the benefit of the doubt. There's a possibility that he didn't know he was passing a counterfeit bill.

    bill. If he were knowingly passing counterfit currency, wouldn't he
    have left the area?

    Not all criminals think alike, but maybe the store had surveillance cameras
    and maybe his plan was to play dumb if caught.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, June 10, 2020 05:55:07
    On 08 Jun 2020 at 05:52p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    By doing nothing to stop the other cop they were all complicit.

    Not all cops are Republican, but they should be.

    Why? So they can buy into lies and conspiracy
    theories and mindlessly worship Admiral-General
    DonJohn "Il Douche'" de Corona-Drumpf?

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, June 10, 2020 06:21:29
    On 09 Jun 2020 at 09:47a, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    Consider the possibility -- he works a bar. The bar takes in a lot o

    You're a nice guy for wanting to give a suspect the benefit of the doubt. There's a possibility that he didn't know he was passing a counterfeit bill.

    You must be confused. Chauvin is the suspect. George Floyd
    is a murder victim.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, June 10, 2020 01:25:00
    On 06-09-20 09:47, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-


    Consider the possibility -- he works a bar. The bar takes in a lot of

    You're a nice guy for wanting to give a suspect the benefit of the
    doubt. There's a possibility that he didn't know he was passing a counterfeit bill.

    I do try to be nice, and to only deal in facts -- not suppositions. But
    in this case it is the law. People are to be assumed innocent until
    proven guilty.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Wednesday, June 10, 2020 06:45:14
    Not all cops are Republican, but they should be.

    Why? So they can buy into lies and conspiracy

    Because the only alternative is Democrats who are in favor of crap like bail reform, illegal immigration, China, and defunding police.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, June 11, 2020 06:04:29
    On 10 Jun 2020 at 06:45a, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    Because the only alternative is Democrats who are in favor of crap like bail reform, illegal immigration, China, and defunding police.

    So again I ask, what's up with being right-wing and buying
    into conspiracy theories and lies? Like, all of the above?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Wednesday, June 10, 2020 19:09:16
    Because the only alternative is Democrats who are in favor of crap li bail reform, illegal immigration, China, and defunding police.

    So again I ask, what's up with being right-wing and buying
    into conspiracy theories and lies? Like, all of the above?

    You should visit New York State some time! All of these issues are issues
    here as of today.

    Bail has been reformed; no more jail for anyone except 1st degree murder Illegal immigation is now called 'migration' and it's totally legal
    China has killed more NYers than Chuck Schumer & Andrew Cuomo combined
    NYC is defunding police; to punish them for what happened in Minnesota

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, June 14, 2020 15:51:41
    Hello Greg,

    What has happened to George Floyd was tragic and wrong, but why does America
    have to put with it's cities in many cases with the burning, rioting and looting.

    All violence and acts of violence should be condemned. Including
    burning, rioting and looting. And anything else that is detructive.
    Makes no difference who commits such acts. The color of one's skin
    does not make someone right or wrong. ALL VIOLENCE IS EVIL!

    I hear the chants in the street demanding respect,

    Thank God for the First Amendment!

    but your standing in the middle of the street being a menace to society,

    Thank God for "the right of the people peacably to assemble" -
    as noted in the First Amendment!

    as you in-peed traffic and many cases like what happened in Albany, NY as
    you force Exit 6 off of Interstate I-90 to close to all traffic again
    because your standing in the middle of the street being a menace.

    Thank God for the right "to petition the Government for a redress
    of grievances" - as noted in the First Amendment!

    You're looting department stores walking out with 60" + TV's that you didn't
    pay for.

    General Honor‚ said they were only looting shoes, which is why
    he refused to obey the governor's orders to have the National Guard
    shoot them with live ammo. But that was in Louisiana, not New York.

    You're destroying Black businesses, your killing other black people.

    Most of the city was destroyed after Katrina left it underwater.
    Black folks were just saving what little that remained from inside
    those buildings.

    During the current coronavirus pandemic, folks are just saving
    what remained from businesses that had been shut down. The owners
    don't mind, as they know the Congress will bail them out.

    Yet your scream and chant as you continue to demand respect.

    Black Lives Matter!

    It's does not work like that.

    Yes it does. But only when you take a knee.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Friday, June 12, 2020 08:25:55
    His "crime", if there was one, was not in any way an excuse for murder. There is never any excuse for looting and arson -- but you should not paint all of the thousands of peaceful protesters with that brush.

    Maybe we could consider looking at the truth as we open our eyes and see what is going on in many cities of these so called peaceful protests.
    The aftershock of what happened.
    Why is there a national movement, to de-fund the Police.
    Why are classic cartoons being edited.
    If TV program has anything to do with the Police it's being removed, such as the TV program COPS which has been on the air for 30+ years.
    Even the classic Gone with the Wind is being removed from HBO
    Dukes of Hazard being removed from streaming services.
    Statures be called to take them down, who's next Lady Liberty?
    National Treasures in Washington, D.C. being defaced with BLM just
    about everywhere you look and even painted on the Street.

    These people chant about wanting and demanding respect and equality.
    As far as equality they are as free as I am or as you are.
    They stand there in the middle of the street, blocking and traffic and in
    some case closing down the street off of a Interstate Highway.

    George Floyd was a not a good guy, but he did NOT deserve to die.
    There are many just like George Floyd who are very much alive and up to no good. His death was unfortunate but COPS lives matter too and have families to support. Why is it never mentioned if he didn't commit the crime of stealing
    he would still be living and breathing today.
    It's the same story with Michael Brown another thug in another city.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, June 16, 2020 09:34:05
    On 12 Jun 2020 at 08:25a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    His "crime", if there was one, was not in any way an excuse for murde There is never any excuse for looting and arson -- but you should not paint all of the thousands of peaceful protesters with that brush.

    Maybe we could consider looking at the truth as we open our eyes and see what is going on in many cities of these so called peaceful protests.

    Yeah! That whole CHAZ thing is sooooo scary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIQe7ta5BXc

    The aftershock of what happened.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/15/outrage-video-police-mace-child -seattle-protest

    Why is there a national movement, to de-fund the Police.

    Why are you against the police? They're not marriage
    counselors, psychiatrists, or teachers or school
    disciplinarians. They should be funded to teach, and
    shouldn't have to bear the added responsibilities of
    all those other things outside of their core purview.
    Why does the LA school system have police? And why
    do those police have grenade launchers and up-armored
    MRAPs?

    Yeah, let's stop wasting money and burdening the police
    with stupid shit.

    Statures be called to take them down, who's next Lady Liberty?

    Lady Liberty is hardly comparable to a bunch of statues
    dedicated to traitors and cowards and put up in the 1930s.

    National Treasures in Washington, D.C. being defaced

    I know, right? Trump just shits on every thing.

    with BLM just
    about everywhere you look and even painted on the Street.

    You can't assert that all lives matter unless you assert
    that black lives matter.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, June 16, 2020 01:31:00
    On 06-12-20 08:25, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-


    His "crime", if there was one, was not in any way an excuse for murder. There is never any excuse for looting and arson -- but you should not paint all of the thousands of peaceful protesters with that brush.

    Maybe we could consider looking at the truth as we open our eyes and
    see what is going on in many cities of these so called peaceful
    protests. The aftershock of what happened.

    Yes -- you should open your eyes and your mind. There was rioting and
    looting by a small number of opportunists at first. That has been
    replaced by peaceful people protesting the systemic injustice that has
    been going on for a long time.

    Why is there a national movement, to de-fund the Police.

    To take some of the money used for violent interaction with the people
    and put it towards more productive community service. It does not mean
    to eliminate the police.


    These people chant about wanting and demanding respect and equality.
    As far as equality they are as free as I am or as you are.

    You need to open your eyes and mind. The people at the heart of the
    protests are not as free as you or I.

    George Floyd was a not a good guy, but he did NOT deserve to die.

    What makes you say that George Floyd was not a good guy?

    There are many just like George Floyd who are very much alive and up
    to no good. His death was unfortunate but COPS lives matter too and
    have families to support. Why is it never mentioned if he didn't commit the crime of stealing he would still be living and breathing today.

    George Floyd had not been convicted of stealing. He was under suspicion
    of passing a counterfeit $20 bill -- a misdemeanor if done knowingly. No
    crime at all if not done knowingly.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, July 02, 2020 02:22:00
    On 07-01-20 07:59, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-

    Yes -- you should open your eyes and your mind. There was rioting and looting by a small number of opportunists at first. That has been replaced by peaceful people protesting the systemic injustice that has been going on for a long time.

    Why do people on the left always portray the numbers to be small and suggest that a small number of opportunists when they know dam well
    within their heart of hearts that the number is much larger then they
    care to admit. This is not a small number hooligans, as your suggesting...

    Numbers are numbers. I do not portray them, I report or analyze them.
    Why do you portray them as being much bigger than they are?

    Open your eyes to realize the number is much bigger and much more of a problem.

    Open your eyes and ears and listen. How much rioting and looting has
    happened since the initial surge -- which was caused by no where all of
    the protestors. The answer is that there have been many days without
    any incident caused by the protestors.


    Why is there a national movement, to de-fund the Police.

    To take some of the money used for violent interaction with the people
    and put it towards more productive community service. It does not mean to eliminate the police.

    The violent interaction comes when these people think they can not
    adhere to the Police direction and instruction.

    The violent interaction comes when the police lose respect for the fact
    that all people are human beings and deserve to be treated as such --
    and that people are not to be shot in the back or stomped on the neck
    until dead.

    These people chant about wanting and demanding
    respect and equality.
    As far as equality they are as free as I am or as you are.

    You need to open your eyes and mind. The people at the heart of the protests are not as free as you or I.

    Please explain how they are not free?
    With the same level of freedom as you or myself.

    Are they free to move into your neighborhood and not be subjected to
    predujice and scorn? Are they free to have equal schools? Are they
    free to walk or jog down your street without someone deciding that they
    do not belong and then chase them down with guns? Are they free to get
    on an elevator without noticing that the woman who is there tightens her
    grip on her purse?

    Within my lifetime, I can recall going into a restaurant for lunch and observing a black couple who had to go to the back door and get food to
    eat in their car. I can recall that my schools had no black students.
    I can recall observing black analysts being denied promotion for no good reason, even though they were as qualified as others. I can recall when
    it was against the law for a white and a black to get married. Most of
    these things are no longer true, but the stain and stigma remains.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, July 02, 2020 20:58:20
    Hello Greg,

    [..]

    You need to open your eyes and mind. The people at the heart of the >DS>protests are not as free as you or I.

    Please explain how they are not free? With the same level of freedom as you
    or myself.

    фашистский.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, July 22, 2020 08:28:51
    On 02 Jul 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-01-20 07:59, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-

    Are they free to move into your neighborhood and not be subjected to predujice and scorn? Are they free to have equal schools? Are they
    free to walk or jog down your street without someone deciding that they
    do not belong and then chase them down with guns? Are they free to get
    on an elevator without noticing that the woman who is there tightens her grip on her purse?

    Your painting with a rather large brush in a attempt to prove your point.
    but there are things that are simply no longer the case which dulls the point that you are trying to make here.

    These people are subject to watch them closely because of previous events. Being Vigilant is not Prejudice.
    Blacks have been equal in schools since the civil rights act has been passed. No one is chasing them out of town with guns aimed - that would illegal and punishable by law. I do understand where there would be a fear of a sole women in elevator gripping her purse more securely -so what. Just because she feels slightly insecure or may just feel frightened, means nothing in it self.
    This is not a crime and it shouldn't provide the spark or trigger or create
    the outrage that destroys cities across the United States.

    Within my lifetime, I can recall going into a restaurant for lunch and observing a black couple who had to go to the back door and get food to eat in their car. I can recall that my schools had no black students.
    I can recall observing black analysts being denied promotion for no good reason, even though they were as qualified as others. I can recall when it was against the law for a white and a black to get married. Most of these things are no longer true, but the stain and stigma remains.

    I am not denying that any of those things have happened, but as you recall these memories from the past, would you ever imagine that they would have a National Black Lives Matter movement? or think that those people would be causing havoc and chaos in the cities with burning rioting and looting?

    The stigma of what some of these people have chosen to become continues.
    While other African-Americans are hard working contributing members of society.

    Did you know every back man who was shot and killed by a police officer from Michael Brown to George Floyd would still be alive today if they did not
    resist arrest?

    This entire BLM movement is ridiculous.
    Where were they in the Obama years.
    Where are they today with Black on Black crime.
    Where are they today when innocent kids get shot and killed.
    Not one of these Representatives of this group has acknowledged the collateral damage of their behavior.

    You know what this is all about it is in direct defiance of declaration made from the President with Law and Order and the authority that it represents. These people suggest "Too many Rules" and therefore no respect for Law & Order" They are kidding themselves if they think they will be successful against the Full power of the U.S. Government.

    Democratic mayors and Governors have lost control of their cities in several cities because they are weak.

    Companies want to still make money so they join the bandwagon of the BLM Movement.

    All lives Matter - which includes everyone.
    If you need to define or indicate a color before All Lives Matter then that
    is racist too.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:44:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

    All lives Matter - which includes everyone.
    If you need to define or indicate a color before All Lives Matter then that is racist too.

    You have to remember that for Lefties like Dale, facts DON'T matter.


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  • From Dennis Katsonis@1:124/5016 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, July 23, 2020 09:55:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

    On 02 Jul 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-01-20 07:59, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-

    Are they free to move into your neighborhood and not be subjected to predujice and scorn? Are they free to have equal schools? Are they
    free to walk or jog down your street without someone deciding that they
    do not belong and then chase them down with guns? Are they free to get
    on an elevator without noticing that the woman who is there tightens her grip on her purse?

    Your painting with a rather large brush in a attempt to prove your
    point. but there are things that are simply no longer the case which
    dulls the point that you are trying to make here.

    These people are subject to watch them closely because of previous
    events. Being Vigilant is not Prejudice.
    Blacks have been equal in schools since the civil rights act has been passed. No one is chasing them out of town with guns aimed - that would illegal and punishable by law. I do understand where there would be a
    fear of a sole women in elevator gripping her purse more securely -so what. Just because she feels slightly insecure or may just feel frightened, means nothing in it self. This is not a crime and it
    shouldn't provide the spark or trigger or create the outrage that
    destroys cities across the United States.

    Within my lifetime, I can recall going into a restaurant for lunch and observing a black couple who had to go to the back door and get food to eat in their car. I can recall that my schools had no black students.
    I can recall observing black analysts being denied promotion for no good reason, even though they were as qualified as others. I can recall when it was against the law for a white and a black to get married. Most of these things are no longer true, but the stain and stigma remains.

    I am not denying that any of those things have happened, but as you
    recall these memories from the past, would you ever imagine that they would have a National Black Lives Matter movement? or think that those people would be causing havoc and chaos in the cities with burning
    rioting and looting?

    The stigma of what some of these people have chosen to become
    continues. While other African-Americans are hard working contributing members of society.

    Did you know every back man who was shot and killed by a police officer from Michael Brown to George Floyd would still be alive today if they
    did not resist arrest?

    This entire BLM movement is ridiculous.
    Where were they in the Obama years.
    Where are they today with Black on Black crime.
    Where are they today when innocent kids get shot and killed.
    Not one of these Representatives of this group has acknowledged the collateral damage of their behavior.

    You know what this is all about it is in direct defiance of declaration made from the President with Law and Order and the authority that it represents. These people suggest "Too many Rules" and therefore no
    respect for Law & Order" They are kidding themselves if they think they will be successful against the Full power of the U.S. Government.

    Democratic mayors and Governors have lost control of their cities in several cities because they are weak.

    Companies want to still make money so they join the bandwagon of the
    BLM Movement.

    All lives Matter - which includes everyone.
    If you need to define or indicate a color before All Lives Matter then that is racist too.

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    Didn't BLM start during the Obama years?

    The BLM movement today has been coopted by Whites. White people have taken the BLM "brand" and are using moral capital to push their own ideology. There are a lot of young White people who want to fight for a cause, to push a new ideology, and this was a good one to use. I saw an interesting quote from a Black cop who said there were more Blacks in the police force at the protest, than among the protestors themselves.

    Leftist radicals do that, they jump on board a movement and turn it into their own. If you see something "pro-Palestine" in Melbourne, its actually Socialists, mostly young White people, with a few Palestinians who haven't cottoned onto the fact the cause is not longer theirs.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, July 23, 2020 02:15:06
    On 07-22-20 08:28, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-

    Are they free to move into your neighborhood and not be subjected to predujice and scorn? Are they free to have equal schools? Are they
    free to walk or jog down your street without someone deciding that they
    do not belong and then chase them down with guns? Are they free to get
    on an elevator without noticing that the woman who is there tightens her grip on her purse?

    Your painting with a rather large brush in a attempt to prove your
    point. but there are things that are simply no longer the case which dulls the point that you are trying to make here.

    Actually, I made a very narrow painting showing only a few examples that
    came to mind. Those who have lived the black life in America could make
    a listing that goes on for hundreds of lines.

    How many white parents have felt the need to have "the talk" with their children about how to act if stopped by the police? How many black
    parents have *NOT* felt that need.

    These people are subject to watch them closely because of previous
    events. Being Vigilant is not Prejudice.

    The very fact that you make such a statement is based on predjudice.
    You are making a judgement about a single person based on some
    experience with someone else "like them".

    Blacks have been equal in schools since the civil rights act has been passed.

    That is simply not true. The budgets of predominately black schools
    have been less than those of predominately white schools. Hence, not
    equal.

    No one is chasing them out of town with guns aimed - that would
    illegal and punishable by law.

    Tell that to Treyvon Martin or Ahmaud Arbrey. Oh -- you can't do that
    because they were chased with guns aimed and were killed.

    I do understand where there would be a
    fear of a sole women in elevator gripping her purse more securely -so what. Just because she feels slightly insecure or may just feel frightened, means nothing in it self. This is not a crime and it shouldn't provide the spark or trigger or create the outrage that
    destroys cities across the United States.

    The fact that it happens when sharing an elevator with a black man and
    not with a white man is evidence of the systemic racism that colors
    people's attitudes, albeit subconsciously.

    Within my lifetime, I can recall going into a restaurant for lunch and observing a black couple who had to go to the back door and get food to eat in their car. I can recall that my schools had no black students.
    I can recall observing black analysts being denied promotion for no good reason, even though they were as qualified as others. I can recall when it was against the law for a white and a black to get married. Most of these things are no longer true, but the stain and stigma remains.

    I am not denying that any of those things have happened, but as you
    recall these memories from the past,

    Some of which are not from a distant past. The fact that they ever
    happened has contributed to the national predjudice.

    Did you know every back man who was shot and killed by a police
    officer from Michael Brown to George Floyd would still be alive today
    if they did not resist arrest?

    That is not true. Michael Brown was not armed and did not form a threat
    to police. George Floyd was not resisting arrest, but was struggled to
    the ground while handcuffed and presenting no danger to anyone. The 12
    year old Tamir Rice was simply playing in a park and shot dead by
    police. Walter Scott was shot in the back after being stopped for a
    broken tail light. Philando Castile was shot in his car after telling
    police that he was reaching for his carry permit. Breonna Taylor was
    shot and killed in her own apartment. I recall when a man was shot and
    killed in downtown Baltimore when he was laying his knife down and was
    no where near the officers. There was another case since Floyd where a
    man was shot in the back and killed while running away - i.e. no threat
    to anyone.

    You know what this is all about it is in direct defiance of
    declaration made from the President with Law and Order and the
    authority that it represents. These people suggest "Too many Rules"
    and therefore no respect for Law & Order"
    They are kidding themselves if they think they will be successful
    against the Full power of the U.S. Government.

    Right -- send in the storm troopers to grab people off the street and
    wisk them away in unmarked vehicles, all with no probable cause or justification. That is Trump's idea of law and order.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ron Lauzon on Thursday, July 23, 2020 02:16:08
    On 07-22-20 12:44, Ron Lauzon <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: Floyd <=-

    All lives Matter - which includes everyone.
    If you need to define or indicate a color before All Lives Matter then that is racist too.

    You have to remember that for Lefties like Dale, facts DON'T matter.

    You are 180 out -- for me it is the facts that matter, not snide
    comments, inuendos and character smears.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dennis Katsonis on Thursday, July 23, 2020 08:55:01
    Socialists, mostly young White people, with a few Palestinians who haven't cottoned onto the fact the cause is not longer theirs.

    It's ridiculous. People need to fight their own battles. And I suspect that you are totally right about white people instigating all this.

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  • From Dennis Katsonis@1:124/5016 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, July 24, 2020 10:18:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

    Socialists, mostly young White people, with a few Palestinians who haven't cottoned onto the fact the cause is not longer theirs.

    It's ridiculous. People need to fight their own battles. And I suspect that you are totally right about white people instigating all this.
    I think they can't fight their own battles, or don't even know what they are or where to begin, so they pick a pre-made battle that can adopt and go from there.

    There are professional agitators who basically give people things to be angry and upset about.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dennis Katsonis on Thursday, July 23, 2020 21:05:22
    There are professional agitators who basically give people things to be ang and upset about.

    I believe it! But how does a person get into that situation?

    My wife reads like everything on Craigslist. She told me that there was an ad saying "activists needed," and this was around the time the George Floyd garbage started.

    Maybe they recruited college students who were out of school due to covid? Or maybe people who are on drugs? All kinds of bad possibilities exist.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, July 23, 2020 21:57:18
    On 23 Jul 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    Your painting with a rather large brush in a attempt to prove your point. but there are things that are simply no longer the case which dulls the point that you are trying to make here.

    Actually, I made a very narrow painting showing only a few examples that came to mind. Those who have lived the black life in America could make
    a listing that goes on for hundreds of lines.

    Yeah tell that to the Family's in Chicago were the strictest gun laws in the county and yet they have dead kids who were killed inside of their homes.

    How many white parents have felt the need to have "the talk" with their children about how to act if stopped by the police? How many black parents have *NOT* felt that need.

    What do you think that conversation is Dale among white families to their
    young adults?
    Be Respectful perhaps...?
    Maybe if the Black Families had the same conversation with their young adults maybe that would break the cycle, what do you think?

    These people are subject to watch them closely because of previous events. Being Vigilant is not Prejudice.

    The very fact that you make such a statement is based on predjudice.
    You are making a judgement about a single person based on some
    experience with someone else "like them".

    Wrong, taking action and being Vigilant are two separate things.


    Blacks have been equal in schools since the civil rights act has been passed.

    That is simply not true. The budgets of predominately black schools
    have been less than those of predominately white schools. Hence, not equal.

    Your facts are lefty fictions, you ever hear of opportunity zones, why don't you read up on what the President is doing for Urban kids in schools.
    You might even learn something.

    No one is chasing them out of town with guns aimed - that would illegal and punishable by law.

    Tell that to Treyvon Martin or Ahmaud Arbrey. Oh -- you can't do that because they were chased with guns aimed and were killed.

    We all know the Treyvon Martin Story, and that is no one to put on a pedestal. He was a thug, and also a kid who Obama once said could of been my son.

    I do understand where there would be a
    fear of a sole women in elevator gripping her purse more securely -so what. Just because she feels slightly insecure or may just feel frightened, means nothing in it self. This is not a crime and it shouldn't provide the spark or trigger or create the outrage that destroys cities across the United States.

    The fact that it happens when sharing an elevator with a black man and
    not with a white man is evidence of the systemic racism that colors people's attitudes, albeit subconsciously.

    So what? That is the spark that creates enough outrage to justify the chaos?

    Within my lifetime, I can recall going into a restaurant for lunch an observing a black couple who had to go to the back door and get food eat in their car. I can recall that my schools had no black students I can recall observing black analysts being denied promotion for no g reason, even though they were as qualified as others. I can recall w it was against the law for a white and a black to get married. Most these things are no longer true, but the stain and stigma remains.

    I am not denying that any of those things have happened, but as you recall these memories from the past,

    Some of which are not from a distant past. The fact that they ever happened has contributed to the national predjudice.

    This is 2020 not 1950.

    Did you know every back man who was shot and killed by a police officer from Michael Brown to George Floyd would still be alive today if they did not resist arrest?

    That is not true. Michael Brown was not armed and did not form a threat to police.

    I do not think you have the same understanding with the facts in the Michael Brown case or what the events that led to Mr. Browns death. You apparently were sleeping when when it once announced the Michael Brown reached into the Police car and tried to take the gun from the Police Officer and also how Micheal Brown did not obey Police instruction and charged toward the Police Officer. This is why the man died. This is happens to a Stupid Fuck. He dies.

    You know what this is all about it is in direct defiance of declaration made from the President with Law and Order and the authority that it represents. These people suggest "Too many Rules" and therefore no respect for Law & Order"
    They are kidding themselves if they think they will be successful against the Full power of the U.S. Government.

    Right -- send in the storm troopers to grab people off the street and
    wisk them away in unmarked vehicles, all with no probable cause or justification. That is Trump's idea of law and order.

    Probable Cause ? Are you serious these cities look like a warzone and getting worse by the hour. Storm Troopers - Yet another Nazi Reference?
    You're as bad as Pelosi that's what she said I do believe.

    These are Democratic Mayors & Governors who have lost control of their cities. Do you deny that? - or do like chaos?

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, July 23, 2020 21:59:10
    On 23 Jul 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-22-20 12:44, Ron Lauzon <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: Floyd <=-

    All lives Matter - which includes everyone.
    If you need to define or indicate a color before All Lives Matter the that is racist too.

    You have to remember that for Lefties like Dale, facts DON'T matter.

    You are 180 out -- for me it is the facts that matter, not snide comments, inuendos and character smears.

    Oh come on... if the shoe fits, it fits....

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, July 24, 2020 02:53:00
    On 07-23-20 21:57, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-


    Most of your remarks here are off the mark and were pivots trying to
    distract from the point. Thus they deserve no response.

    How many white parents have felt the need to have "the talk" with their children about how to act if stopped by the police? How many black parents have *NOT* felt that need.

    What do you think that conversation is Dale among white families to
    their young adults?
    Be Respectful perhaps...?
    Maybe if the Black Families had the same conversation with their young adults maybe that would break the cycle, what do you think?

    White parents do not see the need to tell their white children "keep
    your hands on the steering wheel so that you do not get shot". White
    parents do not see the need to tell their white children "don't make any
    sudden movements or you might get shot". White parents do not see the
    need to tell their white children "don't question why you were stopped
    or you might get shot". and so forth, the list goes on.

    Blacks have been equal in schools since the civil
    rights act has been passed.

    That is simply not true. The budgets of predominately black schools
    have been less than those of predominately white schools. Hence, not equal.

    Your facts are lefty fictions, you ever hear of opportunity zones, why don't you read up on what the President is doing for Urban kids in schools. You might even learn something.

    Since his Secretary of Education has no knowledge nor connection in her
    life with public schools, I would doubt that she has made any attempt to equalize the disparity. Please show me how that is not true.

    No one is chasing them out of town with guns aimed - that would
    illegal and punishable by law.

    Tell that to Treyvon Martin or Ahmaud Arbrey. Oh -- you can't do that because they were chased with guns aimed and were killed.

    We all know the Treyvon Martin Story, and that is no one to put on a pedestal. He was a thug, and also a kid who Obama once said could of
    been my son.

    Your point is what? Any want-a-be cop / vigilant has the right to gun
    down anyone he believes to be a thug who does not belong in his
    neighborhood? Surely you jest.

    Some of which are not from a distant past. The fact that they ever happened has contributed to the national predjudice.

    This is 2020 not 1950.

    None of those memories were as far back as 1950. Some were from much
    more recent times.

    I do not think you have the same understanding with the facts in the Michael Brown case or what the events that led to Mr. Browns death.
    You apparently were
    sleeping when when it once announced the Michael Brown reached into
    the Police car and tried to take the gun from the Police Officer and

    A report that is / was in dispute. The other version is that the
    officer grabbed Brown by the neck and then shot at him. After which
    Brown tried to run away.

    declaration made from the President with Law and Order and the

    Right -- send in the storm troopers to grab people off the street and
    wisk them away in unmarked vehicles, all with no probable cause or justification. That is Trump's idea of law and order.

    Probable Cause ? Are you serious these cities look like a warzone and getting worse by the hour. Storm Troopers - Yet another Nazi
    Reference? You're as bad as Pelosi that's what she said I do believe.

    I used the appropriate expression. Have you not watched any of the
    videos showing them rushing up to a man standing quietly and grabbing
    him and shoveing him into an unmarked car? Or the video showing them
    using baton sticks to attack a man standing with his hands up? What
    else would you call such tactics. They are deliberately inflaming the protestors.

    These are Democratic Mayors & Governors who have lost control of their cities. Do you deny that? - or do like chaos?

    It is their city, and it is their responsibility. They were working
    with the protestors. One of them was tear gassed in another attack on
    peaceful protestors. Those milita do not belong there poring gasoline
    on the embers.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dennis Katsonis@1:124/5016 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, July 24, 2020 21:01:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

    There are professional agitators who basically give people things to be
    ang
    and upset about.

    I believe it! But how does a person get into that situation?

    My wife reads like everything on Craigslist. She told me that there was
    an ad saying "activists needed," and this was around the time the
    George Floyd garbage started.

    Maybe they recruited college students who were out of school due to
    covid? Or maybe people who are on drugs? All kinds of bad possibilities exist.

    There are wealthy people who funnel funds. Also note that large companies have pledged $$$$'s to "fighting racism", by giving it to anti-racist groups. Where do you think the money ends up? It ends up there.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Friday, July 24, 2020 13:43:20
    On 24 Jul 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    White parents do not see the need to tell their white children "keep
    your hands on the steering wheel so that you do not get shot". White parents do not see the need to tell their white children "don't make any sudden movements or you might get shot". White parents do not see the need to tell their white children "don't question why you were stopped
    or you might get shot". and so forth, the list goes on.

    If what you say is true about White parents not having "the talk"
    maybe it is because of they have the expectation that respect will displayed and maintained throughout the traffic stop of their young adult.
    These young White drivers may still get a ticket for speeding or for another traffic infraction, but they know how to act or more importantly not how to act. As these White young adults will not be combative with a Police Officer, for they know that the place for a disagreement is a court room and not the side of the road.

    If people get arrested or shot at a traffic stop, it's their own dam fault.

    That is simply not true. The budgets of predominately black schools have been less than those of predominately white schools. Hence, not equal.

    Your facts are lefty fictions, you ever hear of opportunity zones, wh don't you read up on what the President is doing for Urban kids in schools. You might even learn something.

    Since his Secretary of Education has no knowledge nor connection in her life with public schools, I would doubt that she has made any attempt to equalize the disparity. Please show me how that is not true.

    I shouldn't because you still will not agree.
    I will indulge you and get you the proof that you have asked for.

    No one is chasing them out of town with guns aimed - that would illegal and punishable by law.

    Tell that to Treyvon Martin or Ahmaud Arbrey. Oh -- you can't do tha because they were chased with guns aimed and were killed.

    We all know the Treyvon Martin Story, and that is no one to put on a pedestal. He was a thug, and also a kid who Obama once said could of been my son.

    Your point is what? Any want-a-be cop / vigilant has the right to gun down anyone he believes to be a thug who does not belong in his neighborhood? Surely you jest.

    Trayvon was not gunned down in cold blood as you have suggested, as it turned out he was up to no good, he died because he tried to take the gun from Zimmerman.

    By the way here is the story from The New York Times about the matter....

    MIAMI -
    The Justice Department on Tuesday closed its investigation into the shooting death three years ago of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black teenager in a hoodie who became a symbol of racial profiling and the face of a protest movement, without filing hate-crime charges against the gunman, George Zimmerman.

    The department began its civil rights investigation shortly after a national furor erupted over Mr. Martin's death in Sanford, Fla., which set off
    protests, demands for justice and an emotional response from President Obama. The shooting was the first in a string of racially tinged cases involving the deaths of young black men that have prompted a rethinking of the nation's criminal justice system.

    Mr. Zimmerman was acquitted of second-degree murder in a state court in 2013; some jurors said they believed that he had shot Mr. Martin, 17, in self-defense.

    The conclusion of the investigation came as Attorney General Eric H. Holder
    Jr. neared the end of his tenure. The shooting was one of several racially fraught cases that Mr. Holder said the department would finish investigating before he stepped down. The Justice Department is also conducting two civil rights investigations into the shooting death of Michael Brown, another
    unarmed black teenager, who was killed by a white police officer in Ferguson, Mo., in August. In that case, violent protests erupted after the shooting. A grand jury declined to indict the officer.

    Other police-involved deaths, including the choking of an unarmed man in
    Staten Island and the shooting of a Cleveland boy holding a realistic, airsoft-style gun, have fueled concerns about police conduct and racial profiling.

    The lawyer for Mr. Martin's family, Benjamin L. Crump, said the parents, Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, were badly shaken by the news that the
    federal government would not bring charges. The family met with Justice Department officials in Miami on Tuesday. "This is very painful for them;
    they are heartbroken," Mr. Crump said. "But they have renewed energy to say that we are going to fight harder to make sure that this doesn't happen to anybody else's child."
    ...

    Naturally the attorney was Benjamin L. Crump this guy is a dirt-bag always spouting off with his mouth hollering about justice but never acknowledging
    the wrong doing of his client.
    He is always so pleased to take their money and to sound off about justice
    with many words so much so he turns it into a national media circus.

    I do not think you have the same understanding with the facts in the Michael Brown case or what the events that led to Mr. Browns death. You apparently were
    sleeping when when it once announced the Michael Brown reached into the Police car and tried to take the gun from the Police Officer and

    A report that is / was in dispute. The other version is that the
    officer grabbed Brown by the neck and then shot at him. After which
    Brown tried to run away.

    Micheal Brown was man of colossal size compared to the cop who shot him.
    The cop would not have the ability to slam Micheal Brown to the on the ground by his neck or by any other human appendage.
    The cop was from Planet Earth and was NOT from the planet Krypton.


    declaration made from the President with Law and Order and the

    Right -- send in the storm troopers to grab people off the street and wisk them away in unmarked vehicles, all with no probable cause or justification. That is Trump's idea of law and order.

    Probable Cause ? Are you serious these cities look like a warzone and getting worse by the hour. Storm Troopers - Yet another Nazi Reference? You're as bad as Pelosi that's what she said I do believe

    I used the appropriate expression. Have you not watched any of the
    videos showing them rushing up to a man standing quietly and grabbing
    him and shoveing him into an unmarked car? Or the video showing them using baton sticks to attack a man standing with his hands up? What
    else would you call such tactics. They are deliberately inflaming the protestors.

    Again a protester is not going to be standing there with his/her hands up
    and they certainly wouldn't be hit by a baton, if they obeyed Police
    direction. Nor would they be rushed up upon and shoved into a unmarked car. For you to suggest this is how it happened is absurd.


    These are Democratic Mayors & Governors who have lost control of thei cities. Do you deny that? - or do like chaos?

    It is their city, and it is their responsibility. They were working
    with the protestors. One of them was tear gassed in another attack on peaceful protestors. Those milita do not belong there poring gasoline
    on the embers.

    The leadership was working with the protesters, right....? What ?
    The really suck at their jobs then. As the protesters continue to despoil the city.
    Still Why? You seem to understand these people...
    Tell me why they are causing all this Havoc and Chaos?

    The mayor who has be-friended protesters
    (as in joining or walking with the protesters)
    also found out really quick as the crowd turned on him as they started to chant "Quit your Job!"

    Regardless these cities have lost control in their cities, and those cities and the Federal property within those cities come under the jurisdiction of
    the Federal Government.

    Maybe you did not hear about the protesters who tried to burn down a Federal Courthouse with Federal workers still inside the building.

    Even within the Constitution the President has the authority to quell civil unrest.

    "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common
    defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for
    the United States of America."

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, July 25, 2020 06:14:45
    Hello Greg,

    [..]

    If people get arrested or shot at a traffic stop, it's their own dam fault.

    While driving is a privilege, and not a right, nobody has the right
    to commit acts of murder.

    [..]

    Trayvon was not gunned down in cold blood as you have suggested, as it
    turned out he was up to no good, he died because he tried to take the gun from Zimmerman.

    Trayvon was unarmed, had been trying to run away from his assailant,
    and then murdered in cold blood.

    By the way here is the story from The New York Times about the matter....

    MIAMI -
    The Justice Department on Tuesday closed its investigation into the shooting >death three years ago of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black teenager in a
    hoodie who became a symbol of racial profiling and the face of a protest movement, without filing hate-crime charges against the gunman, George Zimmerman.

    Unarmed. Murdered in cold blood. Just because the officer was not
    convicted due to lack of evidence does not mean the officer was not
    innocent. White cop with loaded gun pointed at black kid with no gun
    at all (or any other means to defend himself) means the officer was
    guilty as sin.

    [..]

    Mr. Zimmerman was acquitted of second-degree murder in a state court in
    2013; some jurors said they believed that he had shot Mr. Martin, 17, in self-defense.

    Some jurors, meaning as few as two, claiming their own belief the
    officer may have acted in self-defense. As you know, it would have
    taken a unanimous verdict in order to convict. And two is far from
    unaminous.

    The majority of jurors more likely felt there was not enough evidence
    to convict, as the verdict had to be unanimous in order to acquit.

    In our system of justice, the accused is presumed innocent until
    proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Not enough evidence to convict
    is reasonable doubt.

    [..]

    A report that is / was in dispute. The other version is that the >DS>officer grabbed Brown by the neck and then shot at him. After which >DS>Brown tried to run away.

    Micheal Brown was man of colossal size compared to the cop who shot him.

    The white cop who murdered Michael Brown was just as big, if not
    bigger. But aside from that, the white cop also had a loaded gun.
    Quite unlike his black victim, whose only "weapons" were the hands
    attached to his own body.

    The cop would not have the ability to slam Micheal Brown to the on the
    ground by his neck or by any other human appendage.

    Far easier to point a loaded gun at his victim and pull the trigger.

    The cop was from Planet Earth and was NOT from the planet Krypton.

    Superman never kills.

    [..]

    Again a protester is not going to be standing there with his/her hands up
    and they certainly wouldn't be hit by a baton, if they obeyed Police direction.

    And yet, news media showed a Navy veteran doing just that. Allowed
    himself to get beaten up, then walked away with his hands up.

    Nor would they be rushed up upon and shoved into a unmarked car.
    For you to suggest this is how it happened is absurd.

    It was all caught on camera, for everyone to see.

    [..]

    It is their city, and it is their responsibility.

    These are American cities, belonging to us all.

    They were working with the protestors.

    That is what mayors and governors do. Working with people is their
    job, what they were elected to do.

    One of them was tear gassed in another attack on peaceful protestors.

    The mayor of Portland, Oregon was tear gassed, along with peaceful
    and nonviolent protesters. That is what happens when a crazy man in
    the White House targets the American people as his enemies.

    Those milita do not belong there poring gasoline on the embers.

    Emperor Nero loved to watch his city burn. The current emperor
    loves to watch his country burn.

    The leadership was working with the protesters, right....? What ? The
    really suck at their jobs then. As the protesters continue to despoil the city. Still Why? You seem to understand these people... Tell me why they
    are causing all this Havoc and Chaos?

    Had crazy man not sent in thugs to confront those innocent people,
    nothing would have happened. But you know how it is. Pyromaniacs
    cannot have any fun without their fires ...

    The mayor who has be-friended protesters (as in joining or walking with the
    protesters) also found out really quick as the crowd turned on him as they started to chant "Quit your Job!"

    The peaceful and nonviolent protesters were on his side. It was
    only the instigators who wanted a show. Too bad the mayor and peaceful protesters could not get away fast enough.

    Regardless these cities have lost control in their cities, and those cities
    and the Federal property within those cities come under the jurisdiction of the Federal Government.

    We have had several protests in Baton Rouge. We have had several
    protests in New Orleans. We have had several protests in other parts
    of Louisiana. Even though Baton Rouge, New Orleans, and many other
    cities have Democratic mayors, along with the state having a Democratic governor, your dear president never bothered to send any of his thugs
    to our place. Why? Because your orange menace is only sending thugs
    to places he wants to cause trouble in.

    Maybe you did not hear about the protesters who tried to burn down a Federal
    Courthouse with Federal workers still inside the building.

    Maybe you did not hear that nobody gives a fug. Crazy man wants to
    cause a scene so that he can use video of it during his campaign for
    a second term. Problem is, the first time he tried to do that it was
    video of protesters in Ukraine. Such a law and order guy. He should
    be granted a medal.

    Even within the Constitution the President has the authority to quell civil
    unrest.

    The POTUS is dictator???

    "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,
    establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty
    to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution
    for the United States of America."

    The Preamble of the US Constitution. Certainly is part of the
    US Constitution. Sets the parameters of what government can do.
    Imagine that. The idea of limited government. Who'd a thunk it?
    If only you understood what that meant, or means.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Monday, July 27, 2020 07:26:01
    On 26 Jul 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    He must have grown up in the south somewhere (Alabama, maybe?).

    Actually, mostly in Florida.

    I started school in the mid 1940's. I went to all public schools. In every school I was ever in there were black students. I was even put a mostly black school in the ghetto for two years as a punishment by the superentendent of the city's school district.

    I think you meant to respond to Tim Richardson..

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, July 27, 2020 08:10:07
    On 26 Jul 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    There was not enough evidence to convict. That is what the jury
    decided. Not that he was innocent.

    One is innocent until proven guilty in the court of law, wither you like it
    or not this is how it is.

    The mayor of Portland said the protests were dying out. No need

    Why should a Republican President believe the words of a Democratic Mayor,
    when everyone can see with their own two eyes the aftermath what these so called peaceful protesters have done. The freakin place looks like a warzone, because they were far from peaceful, it was a full scale riot.
    Still I would like to know what these people are so pissed about, hint it has nothing to do with George Floyd.


    for any federal agents to be sent in. The mayor of Seattle also said basically the same thing. Our cities are not on fire.

    https://www.portlandoregon.gov/fire/apps/calls/incidents_map.cfm

    The only terrorist is the man in orange who is torching America.
    The sound of democracy are the cries of those who are suffering under
    his regime.

    Your name calling simply shows that TRUMP is effective, when he says there
    will be law and order - them dam it, he means it.
    These Democratic leadership have lost control of their cities.

    Even within the Constitution the President has the authority to qu
    civ LL> > unrest.
    The POTUS is dictator???

    These rioters spit in the face of Domestic Tranquility. or the right to >Peacefully assemble.

    What? No response? Come & Debate me on that. You can't and thats my point.

    Hitler had his SS. Trump has his own version.

    Many things in America are borrowed from Germany

    Easter Traditions The hunting for Easter Eggs.

    Many German Traditions revolving around Christmas.

    The U.S. even when to the Moon. Many Thanks to Wernher von Braun.

    Our 700 Billion Military budget,
    is not one of those things taken from Germany, that's All American..

    There is nothing peaceful about unmarked federal agents beating up a
    Navy veteran on national television. What do you think will happen to
    the rest of us if confronted by those same thugs?

    Naval Veteran?
    I see what your doing here, you still trying on to prove your baseless points, by suggesting but... but... it was a Navy Veteran. lol

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, July 27, 2020 23:32:04
    Hello Greg,

    There was not enough evidence to convict. That is what the jury >LL>decided. Not that he was innocent.

    One is innocent until proven guilty in the court of law, wither you like it
    or not this is how it is.

    The jury never said he was innocent. And neither did the accused.
    But everybody knew the dude killed that boy. In cold blood.

    The mayor of Portland said the protests were dying out. No need

    Why should a Republican President believe the words of a Democratic Mayor, >when everyone can see with their own two eyes the aftermath what these so >called peaceful protesters have done. The freakin place looks like a
    warzone,
    because they were far from peaceful, it was a full scale riot. Still I would
    like to know what these people are so pissed about, hint it has
    nothing to do with George Floyd.

    Armed and dangerous? I don't think so -

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/naked-athena-protester-says-she-wanted -cops-to-see-what-theyre-shooting-at


    That is what unmarked federal agents want to shoot at. Unarmed,
    and naked as a jaybird, peaceful and nonviolent protesters. And do
    note the naked lady was wearing a face mask. But only because it
    was cold.

    for any federal agents to be sent in. The mayor of Seattle also said >LL>basically the same thing. Our cities are not on fire.

    https://www.portlandoregon.gov/fire/apps/calls/incidents_map.cfm


    Portland is, and remains, a beautiful city. Thanks to the mayor,
    other elected officials, and its people. With a new president taking
    office this coming January, it will be an even more beautiful city.
    With no more fires caused or created by the current occupant of the
    White House.

    The only terrorist is the man in orange who is torching America.
    The sound of democracy are the cries of those who are suffering under >LL>his regime.

    Your name calling simply shows that TRUMP is effective, when he says there
    will be law and order - them dam it, he means it. These Democratic
    leadership have lost control of their cities.

    New Orleans has a Democratic mayor. No fires there.
    Baton Rouge has a Democratic mayor. No fires there.
    Louisiana has a Democratic governor. No fires there.

    Seems to me you're all wet.

    Seems to me the only places on fire are places where Trump has
    lit a match. Fortunately, the mayors in those cities have good fire
    departments and have been able to squelch those fires pretty quickly,
    before they get out of control.

    Even within the Constitution the President has the authority
    to qu LL> > civ LL> > unrest.
    The POTUS is dictator???

    These rioters spit in the face of Domestic Tranquility. or the right
    to
    Peacefully assemble.
    What? No response? Come & Debate me on that. You can't and thats my point.

    Read the Preamble. It is a part of the US Constitution. Note the
    limitations or parameters it places on a federal government. Anything
    outside of those limitations/parameters would be unconstitional.

    Now if you want to argue that the Preamble is not part of the
    US Constitution, you are welcome to do that. But it is a losing
    argument.

    Hitler had his SS. Trump has his own version.

    Many things in America are borrowed from Germany

    Even the English language has many words borrowed from German.
    But this country was founded by Englishmen, not by Krauts.

    Easter Traditions The hunting for Easter Eggs.

    My great grandfather wrote the original tales of B'rer Rabbit
    and Peter Cottontail. In Cajun French. One day I plan to put the
    original version online for all to read. Just as he wrote it.

    Many German Traditions revolving around Christmas.

    So do Italian and Sicilian Traditions. As well as French and
    Cajun Traditions. And other traditions from around the world.

    The U.S. even when to the Moon. Many Thanks to Wernher von Braun.

    Wernher von Braun got the idea from reading science fiction books
    written by Jules Verne, a Frenchman. Although some claim it was from
    reading H.G. Wells "War of the Worlds" novel.

    Our 700 Billion Military budget, is not one of those things taken from
    Germany, that's All American..

    The US spends huge amounts for defense, but does not fight wars
    very well. Could not even manage to contain ISIS in Syria, having
    to cede those efforts to Turkey and Russia.

    No amount of defense spending can cure incompetence.

    There is nothing peaceful about unmarked federal agents beating up a >LL>Navy veteran on national television. What do you think will happen to >LL>the rest of us if confronted by those same thugs?

    Naval Veteran?

    Fact-checked by the news media.

    I see what your doing here, you still trying on to prove your baseless
    points, by suggesting but... but... it was a Navy Veteran. lol

    Still is. A Navy veteran, now with a broken hand, with his finger
    undergoing reconstructive surgery. I'll give you three guesses as
    to which finger.

    --Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 02:03:02
    On 07-27-20 07:26, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-

    He must have grown up in the south somewhere (Alabama, maybe?).

    Actually, mostly in Florida.

    I started school in the mid 1940's. I went to all public schools. In
    every school I was ever in there were black
    students. I was even put
    a mostly black school in the ghetto for two years as a punishment by
    the superentendent of the city's school district.

    I think you meant to respond to Tim Richardson..

    I meant to do exactly what I did.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 08:52:22
    On 27 Jul 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    The jury never said he was innocent. And neither did the accused.
    But everybody knew the dude killed that boy. In cold blood.

    Yeah Trayvon Martin was just like Dennis the Menace in darker skin. NOT!

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/naked-athena-protester-says-she-wanted -cops-to-see-what-theyre-shooting-at

    What was that a Urban version of Naked and Afraid?

    New Orleans has a Democratic mayor. No fires there.
    Baton Rouge has a Democratic mayor. No fires there.
    Louisiana has a Democratic governor. No fires there.

    Are it's citizens have peaceful protests or full scale riots resulting in the city looking a war zone. That should answer your own question.

    Now if you want to argue that the Preamble is not part of the
    US Constitution, you are welcome to do that. But it is a losing
    argument.

    I am not looking to argue, just trying to separate delusional lefty facts
    from truth and reality, there is a stark difference between the two.

    The preamble of the U.S. Constitution does not limit or lend it's words and meanings to only Federal Property.

    Our 700 Billion Military budget, is not one of those things taken from
    Germany, that's All American..

    The US spends huge amounts for defense, but does not fight wars
    very well. Could not even manage to contain ISIS in Syria, having
    to cede those efforts to Turkey and Russia.

    Don't fight wars very well - my ass?
    WWI, WWII both won!
    Another reason Obama sucked as Commander and Chief, (as well as POTUS)
    he pulled back the rules of engagement, everybody knows that, everyone but lefties, who still want to glorify his failed presidency.

    There is nothing peaceful about unmarked federal agents beating up a >LL>Navy veteran on national television. What do you think will happen to >LL>the rest of us if confronted by those same thugs?

    Naval Veteran?

    Fact-checked by the news media.

    News Media are you kidding me?.... (you mean democratic state run news)

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, July 29, 2020 21:51:33
    Hello Greg,

    [..]

    The US spends huge amounts for defense, but does not fight wars
    very well. Could not even manage to contain ISIS in Syria, having
    to cede those efforts to Turkey and Russia.

    Don't fight wars very well - my ass?
    WWI, WWII both won!

    As noted in last message, the US did very little to "win" those wars.

    Another reason Obama sucked as Commander and Chief, (as well as POTUS) he
    pulled back the rules of engagement, everybody knows that, everyone but lefties, who still want to glorify his failed presidency.

    War with Russia would have been preferable to imposing sanctions
    after Trump's hero invaded Ukraine (a sovereign state) and illegally
    annexed part of its territory (Crimea)? Reward him by allowing Russia
    to remain in the G8, and continue to let him host summits? War with
    Egypt after the Muslim Brotherhood's candidate won the presidency fair
    and square? War with North Korea (and China) in order to keep it from manufacturing nukes?

    Donald Trump said he and his buddy Vladimir Putin had a little
    chat on the telephone today. Not once did Donald Trump ask his pal
    about the bounties Russia had placed on the heads of US soldiers
    serving in Afghanistan. Not once. That is how the C-in-C treats
    our troops. Disgusting piece of sh*t should be lined up in front
    of a nerfball firing squad. They'll know what to do.

    There is nothing peaceful about unmarked federal agents beating up a >LL> >LL>Navy veteran on national television. What do you think will happen
    to LL> >LL>the rest of us if confronted by those same thugs?

    Naval Veteran?
    Fact-checked by the news media.

    News Media are you kidding me?....

    The real News Media.

    (you mean democratic state run news)

    TrumpTV will not be on the air until after noon on January 20, 2021.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, July 29, 2020 21:51:40
    Hello Greg,

    The jury never said he was innocent. And neither did the accused.
    But everybody knew the dude killed that boy. In cold blood.

    Yeah Trayvon Martin was just like Dennis the Menace in darker skin. NOT!

    Had Dennis the Menace been a black kid, white cops would not have
    allowed him the chance to even become a menace.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/naked-athena-protester-says-she-wanted >LL>-cops-to-see-what-theyre-shooting-at

    What was that a Urban version of Naked and Afraid?

    Why do you insist that all black people, including black children,
    are dangerous? There are many white folks who are bad people. Very
    bad. Some of them should be locked up in prison, never to be let
    out again. What you had was a wannabe cop who acted like the thug
    he was, murdering a kid in cold blood. Just because a jury aquitted
    him due to lack of evidence does not mean he was innocent.

    New Orleans has a Democratic mayor. No fires there.
    Baton Rouge has a Democratic mayor. No fires there.
    Louisiana has a Democratic governor. No fires there.

    Are it's citizens have peaceful protests or full scale riots resulting in
    the city looking a war zone. That should answer your own question.

    There were no riots anywhere in Louisiana because your sorry excuse
    of a president never sent any unmarked federal agents to cause trouble.

    Now if you want to argue that the Preamble is not part of the
    US Constitution, you are welcome to do that. But it is a losing >LL>argument.

    I am not looking to argue, just trying to separate delusional lefty facts
    from truth and reality, there is a stark difference between the two.

    Please show me the difference between the "leftie" version of the
    Preamble and the "rightie" version of the Preamble. I seem to have
    missed both versions.

    The preamble of the U.S. Constitution does not limit or lend it's words and
    meanings to only Federal Property.

    The Preamble of the US Constitution sets limitations/parameters
    of the federal government. The only rights states have are whatever
    rights remain outside of what is specified by the US Constitution.

    Our 700 Billion Military budget, is not one of those things taken from
    Germany, that's All American..

    The US spends huge amounts for defense, but does not fight wars
    very well. Could not even manage to contain ISIS in Syria, having
    to cede those efforts to Turkey and Russia.

    Don't fight wars very well - my ass?

    That's right. Absolutely right.

    WWI, WWII both won!

    We entered WWI late, with that war coming to an end only beccause
    all sides ran out of young men due to the Spanish Flu, and all the
    older men were left were too chicken to fight.

    We entered WWII only as a matter of defense after Hitler and his
    National Socialists had invaded most of Europe, fighting on a front
    only some 400 miles long. Hitler still would have lost his war in
    Europe had the US chosen not to enter. It just would have taken
    longer for his reign to come to an end.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, July 29, 2020 22:41:13
    chat on the telephone today. Not once did Donald Trump ask his pal
    about the bounties Russia had placed on the heads of US soldiers

    Why should he have to ask Putin about that? If there's evidence, then let's see it. If there's not, then let's focus our efforts on Salem, MA, where the real witches live.

    Alternatively, Trump can make a weak accusation against Putin over the phone and start a new cold war with them. Then the Democrats can rejoice over all the hostility and heightened espionage.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, July 30, 2020 09:35:26
    On 29 Jul 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Don't fight wars very well - my ass?
    WWI, WWII both won!

    As noted in last message, the US did very little to "win" those wars.

    I disagree completely if the U.S. did not get involved in WWI and WWII.
    France would of been wiped off the map.
    Germany would still be fascist and still run by the Nazi Party.
    Hitler might of never attacked the U.S.S.R.

    This would mean the following changes in our U.S. history.
    The United States would of never of gone to the moon.
    There would be no Hotdogs or Hamburgers are American Barbeque's.
    The American Car might of never existed. or would be something vastly different.
    Budweiser wouldn't exist at least here in America. as of a result Beck's Beer would still be made in Germany- That is the only really good thing that would come out that alternative time line. In my opinion the American Companies have no business making German Beer in America.
    Much of it is like; drinking gak piss. (Samuel Adams is pretty good though)

    Another reason Obama sucked as Commander and Chief, (as well as POTUS) he
    pulled back the rules of engagement, everybody knows that, everyone but lefties, who still want to glorify his failed presidency.

    War with Russia would have been preferable to imposing sanctions
    after Trump's hero invaded Ukraine (a sovereign state) and illegally annexed part of its territory (Crimea)? Reward him by allowing Russia
    to remain in the G8, and continue to let him host summits? War with
    Egypt after the Muslim Brotherhood's candidate won the presidency fair
    and square? War with North Korea (and China) in order to keep it from manufacturing nukes?

    War with the Russia would be very very bad. it would not be fought with boots on the ground, the boots by the way, would be the only thing left as they too would be smoldering and melting on the surface of the earth, so yeah like said very very bad.

    Donald Trump said he and his buddy Vladimir Putin had a little
    chat on the telephone today. Not once did Donald Trump ask his pal
    about the bounties Russia had placed on the heads of US soldiers
    serving in Afghanistan. Not once. That is how the C-in-C treats
    our troops. Disgusting piece of sh*t should be lined up in front
    of a nerfball firing squad. They'll know what to do.

    If he (Valdimir) were his (Donald's) pal as you have suggested then why would there be sanctions upon the country of Russia?

    Fact-checked by the news media.

    News Media are you kidding me?....

    The real News Media.

    (you mean democratic state run news)

    Journalism has been dead, but please don't take my word for it.
    Watch MSNBC or CNN.
    I would not watch for to long of a period as it will cause further brain damage.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, July 30, 2020 10:23:34
    On 29 Jul 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Why do you insist that all black people, including black children,
    are dangerous? There are many white folks who are bad people. Very
    bad. Some of them should be locked up in prison, never to be let
    out again. What you had was a wannabe cop who acted like the thug
    he was, murdering a kid in cold blood. Just because a jury aquitted
    him due to lack of evidence does not mean he was innocent.

    I never said ALL black people. EVER. I fully acknowledge that there are thugs of all varieties Red, Yellow, Tan, Black as well as White, but never Orange.

    New Orleans has a Democratic mayor. No fires there.
    Baton Rouge has a Democratic mayor. No fires there.
    Louisiana has a Democratic governor. No fires there.

    No Riots either. Yet anyway....

    Are it's citizens have peaceful protests or full scale riots resulting in
    the city looking a war zone. That should answer your own question.

    There were no riots anywhere in Louisiana because your sorry excuse
    of a president never sent any unmarked federal agents to cause trouble.

    The reason why those Federal forces are in Portland is to protect Federal Property, if the police force within these democratic cess pools would be allowed to do their job, there would be no need for these Federal forces.

    Please show me the difference between the "leftie" version of the
    Preamble and the "rightie" version of the Preamble. I seem to have
    missed both versions.

    Easy.
    Democrats (LEFT) Ignoring it vs Republicans (RIGHT) Follow it.

    Still in doubt.. OK
    Has ANY Democrat politician condemned the Riots and the destruction or the loss of life or the injured cops that was a direct result of this chaos?

    Has the Media who is sleeping in the same bed with the democratic party condemn or even spoken against the violence?

    Has ANY Black Lives Representative or spokesperson ever have taken responsibility or condemned the gun fire that has killed multiple children within the own houses.

    "Since when is it ok to attack a Federal Courthouse?"
    ~ William Barr - U.S. Attorney General

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, July 31, 2020 00:32:26
    Hello Greg,

    Don't fight wars very well - my ass?
    WWI, WWII both won!
    As noted in last message, the US did very little to "win" those wars.

    I disagree completely if the U.S. did not get involved in WWI and WWII.

    WWI ended only because both sides ran out of having enough men
    to continue the fight. The US entered the war late, and made little
    difference. WWII would have taken longer had the US not entered, but
    the end result would have been the same, in both Europe and Asia.

    France would of been wiped off the map.

    Germany took over the northern part of France in less than two weeks, installing a Vichy government. Yet was too weak to invade England, and
    unable to push further south.

    Germany would still be fascist and still run by the Nazi Party.

    Stalin would have installed a puppet regime to serve the USSR.

    Hitler might of never attacked the U.S.S.R.

    Hitler had no choice but to attack the USSR.

    This would mean the following changes in our U.S. history. The United States
    would of never of gone to the moon.

    The United States claim of having had men set foot on the moon
    remains unproven/unverified.

    There would be no Hotdogs or Hamburgers are American Barbeque's.

    Muffulettas and New Orleans style roast beef poboys are so much
    better anyway.

    The American Car might of never existed. or would be something vastly >different.

    Harley-Davidson rides forever! Vroom! Vroom!

    Budweiser wouldn't exist at least here in America.

    Who cares? We have Warhawk beer!

    as of a result Beck's Beer would still be made in Germany- That is the only
    really good thing that would come out that alternative time line.

    Too bad it is never served during Oktoberfest.

    In my opinion the American Companies have no business making German Beer in
    America.

    Germans in Minden, Louisiana might disagree!

    Much of it is like; drinking gak piss. (Samuel Adams is pretty good though)

    Samuel Adams does make a limited edition special during Oktoberfest.
    But it is not the same as being there.

    Another reason Obama sucked as Commander and Chief, (as well as
    POTUS) he LL> > pulled back the rules of engagement, everybody knows that, everyone but LL> > lefties, who still want to glorify his failed
    presidency.
    War with Russia would have been preferable to imposing sanctions
    after Trump's hero invaded Ukraine (a sovereign state) and illegally annexed part of its territory (Crimea)? Reward him by allowing Russia
    to remain in the G8, and continue to let him host summits? War with Egypt after the Muslim Brotherhood's candidate won the presidency fair and square? War with North Korea (and China) in order to keep it from manufacturing nukes?

    War with the Russia would be very very bad. it would not be fought with
    boots
    on the ground, the boots by the way, would be the only thing left as they
    too
    would be smoldering and melting on the surface of the earth, so yeah like
    said very very bad.

    There should never be any wars. But making us less secure makes war
    more likely. Removing 12,000+ US troops from Germany makes both Germany
    and the US less secure, and more likely for hostilities between Russia
    and her immediate neighbors (Baltic states, Poland, Ukraine, Hungary,
    etc.) to commence. This was a gift to Vladimir Putin, whose policies
    are clearly hostile to what is in our national interests.

    Donald Trump said he and his buddy Vladimir Putin had a little
    chat on the telephone today. Not once did Donald Trump ask his pal >LL>about the bounties Russia had placed on the heads of US soldiers >LL>serving in Afghanistan. Not once. That is how the C-in-C treats
    our troops. Disgusting piece of sh*t should be lined up in front
    of a nerfball firing squad. They'll know what to do.

    If he (Valdimir) were his (Donald's) pal as you have suggested then why
    would there be sanctions upon the country of Russia?

    President Obama imposed sanctions on Russia due to its invasion
    of Ukraine and illegal annexation of part of its territory (Crimea),
    as well as kicking Russia out of the G8. President Trump has publicly
    stated his own desire to lift those sanctions, and invite Russia back
    into the G8, without having to give up its illegal claim to Crimea.

    According to many people, that makes US President Donald Trump a
    Russian agent. An unregistered, and unconvicted, Russian agent.

    Fact-checked by the news media.

    News Media are you kidding me?....
    The real News Media.
    (you mean democratic state run news)

    Journalism has been dead, but please don't take my word for it.

    The NYT is alive and well.

    Watch MSNBC or CNN.

    Broadcast news makes for excellent reporting.

    I would not watch for to long of a period as it will cause further brain
    damage.

    Well, there is always NPR.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, July 31, 2020 00:32:38
    Hello Greg,

    Why do you insist that all black people, including black children,
    are dangerous? There are many white folks who are bad people. Very
    bad. Some of them should be locked up in prison, never to be let
    out again. What you had was a wannabe cop who acted like the thug
    he was, murdering a kid in cold blood. Just because a jury aquitted
    him due to lack of evidence does not mean he was innocent.

    I never said ALL black people. EVER. I fully acknowledge that there are
    thugs of all varieties Red, Yellow, Tan, Black as well as White, but never Orange.

    The numbers are disproportionate, with more non-whites being the
    victim rather than whites given total percentages in the US.

    New Orleans has a Democratic mayor. No fires there.
    Baton Rouge has a Democratic mayor. No fires there.
    Louisiana has a Democratic governor. No fires there.

    No Riots either. Yet anyway....

    Of course not. Cajuns are very friendly, and love to have a good time.
    Same as everybody else. Only we do it in French rather than in English.

    Are it's citizens have peaceful protests or full scale riots
    resulting in LL> > the city looking a war zone. That should answer your
    own question.
    There were no riots anywhere in Louisiana because your sorry
    excuse
    of a president never sent any unmarked federal agents to cause
    trouble.

    The reason why those Federal forces are in Portland is to protect Federal >Property, if the police force within these democratic cess pools would be >allowed to do their job, there would be no need for these Federal forces.

    Yeah. I saw the pictures. Both before and after. Nothing stops graffiti
    from growing on the walls. Nothing. It just keeps growing. And growing.
    And growing ...

    Please show me the difference between the "leftie" version of the >LL>Preamble and the "rightie" version of the Preamble. I seem to have >LL>missed both versions.

    Easy. Democrats (LEFT) Ignoring it vs Republicans (RIGHT) Follow it.

    What rights do the states have (according to the US Constitution)?
    I'll give you a hint - Read Amendment X.

    Still in doubt.. OK

    There is no doubt.

    Has ANY Democrat politician condemned the Riots and the destruction or the
    loss of life or the injured cops that was a direct result of this chaos?

    Violence begets violence. The late John Lewis condemned *all* acts
    of violence, promoting others to cause "good trouble" in its place.
    Three presidents attended his funeral today. Except for the one who
    is always causing "bad trouble" for everybody.

    There you go. Two Democrats, and one Republican, condemning all
    acts of violence, with one illegitimate occupant of the White House
    promoting violence everywhere.

    Has the Media who is sleeping in the same bed with the democratic party
    condemn or even spoken against the violence?

    The legitimate news media does not take sides, as it is not in the entertainment business (such as FoxNews).

    Has ANY Black Lives Representative or spokesperson ever have taken
    responsibility or condemned the gun fire that has killed multiple children within the own houses.

    What for? Ban the guns, no more problem. See how easy that is?

    "Since when is it ok to attack a Federal Courthouse?"
    ~ William Barr - U.S. Attorney General

    Even President Trump loves to draw with a Sharpie, but is a terrible
    artist. Best to let him stick with Twitter.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Friday, July 31, 2020 22:27:00
    On 07-26-20, DALE SHIPP said to TIM RICHARDSON:

    On 07-24-20 22:32, Tim Richardson <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-


    Actually, I made a very narrow painting showing only a few examples that DS>came to mind. Those who have lived the black life in America could make DS>a listing that goes on for hundreds of lines.


    One question:


    Are *you* black? Straight `yes' or `no'.


    NO. Are you a person of color?


    Yeah I am; I'm white! BTW......there are so many great examples of people who are or were black, growing up in the face of poor beginnings, who succeeded in their lives to a huge extent. Herman Cain is just one.


    There are many others. And a lot of them are highly successful and extremely wealthy.


    Hussein Obama; who couldn't even speak in honor of a great American's funreal without turning it into a political circus by bad mouthing the present administration; is filthy rich, owns an estate on Martha's Vineyard.


    Of course, being a particularly odious hunk of dog dirt, his diatribe of
    leftie tripe came as no surprise. However....I wonder how much the family of the deceased man he was there to eulogize appreciated the sorry son of a bitch turning such a solemn moment into a democrat three ring circus? It was almost as bad as what the leftie filth did at Paul Wellstone's funeral.


    Democrats don't just suck eggs....they're filth!


    Have to go find a good tagline.....back in a flash.....


    "Joe Biden; After 48 years he's still running on his promises; none of
    which have ever been kept!"








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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Friday, July 31, 2020 22:35:00
    On 07-25-20, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

    On 07-24-20 13:43, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-


    If people get arrested or shot at a traffic stop, it's their own dam
    fault.


    Bull crap.


    Trayvon was not gunned down in cold blood as you have suggested, as it turned out he was up to no good, he died because he tried to take the
    gun from Zimmerman.


    He tried to protect himself after he was accosted and threatened.


    That is a bald-faced lie! You know the same as everyone else knows the kid jumped out of some bushes a attacked Zimmerman. He was holding Zimmermen down while pounding him in the face. He got shot assaulting someone he should have left alone.


    Your attempt to twist the truth is typical of you.


    Tagline;


    "Cops lives matter too. The difference is; dirt bags die breaking the law
    while cops die enforcing it!"



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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Friday, July 31, 2020 22:38:00
    On 07-26-20, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

    On 07-25-20 01:10, Tim Richardson <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: Floyd <=-


    He must have grown up in the south somewhere (Alabama, maybe?).


    Actually, mostly in Florida.


    I started school in the mid 1940's. I went to all public schools. In
    every school I was ever in there were black students. I was even put in
    a mostly black school in the ghetto for two years as a punishment by
    the superentendent of the city's school district.


    I also went to public schools starting in the mid 1940s. Although I DS>certainly saw blacks on the streets, I never saw them in any of my DS>schools until I left Florida to go to college. Years later I went back DS>to my high school and asked the principal there -- where did the blacks DS>go to high school. I went there and it was a much smaller building and DS>no longer in service as a school.


    All schools I went to were staffed by public school teachers. Whatever
    I was taught in those schools, black students were taught as well.


    As I just said -- not true where I went to school until I left for DS>college.


    Everything I was exposed to in the way of teaching in the public
    schools, the black students were taught at the same time.


    Not my experience.


    When I hear or read that crap about blacks having been at a
    `disadvantage' in school....or `blacks never had the same chance as whites'....thats horseshit! Pure and simple horseshit!


    Not my experience, and not according to documented evidence that is DS>public knowledge. That fact is the reason for desegregation orders
    years later.


    Not surprised. You're talking about the South. Where I grew up people had families who's recent ancesters had fought in the Civil War on the Union side to end slavery. There was an old man around 120 years old who was a Civil War veteran. I used to walk past his house going to and from one of the schools I attended. He died around 1949 or there abouts.


    Blacks attended school the same as I did. Neither I nor any of the members of my family or ancestry going back to my great grandfathers, ever owned a slave, sold a slave, or even believed in slavery.


    Neither I nor any member of my family owe a penny in `reparations' to anyone.


    Nor do we have any `white guilt' about slavery!


    Do I think `reparations' should be paid? No!


    There is not a single black person alive in this country today who ever lived as a slave in this country.


    But.....if `reparations' are wanted to be paid......I have no objection to
    each and every democrat being made to pay them!



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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Saturday, August 01, 2020 08:51:13

    On 31 Jul 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Hello Greg,

    Why do you insist that all black people, including black children, >LL>are dangerous? There are many white folks who are bad people. Very >LL>bad. Some of them should be locked up in prison, never to be let >LL>out again. What you had was a wannabe cop who acted like the thug >LL>he was, murdering a kid in cold blood. Just because a jury aquitted >LL>him due to lack of evidence does not mean he was innocent.

    I never said ALL black people. EVER. I fully acknowledge that there are
    thugs of all varieties Red, Yellow, Tan, Black as well as White, but nev

    Orange.

    The numbers are disproportionate, with more non-whites being the
    victim rather than whites given total percentages in the US.

    New Orleans has a Democratic mayor. No fires there.
    Baton Rouge has a Democratic mayor. No fires there.
    Louisiana has a Democratic governor. No fires there.

    No Riots either. Yet anyway....

    Of course not. Cajuns are very friendly, and love to have a good time. Same as everybody else. Only we do it in French rather than in English.

    Are it's citizens have peaceful protests or full scale riots
    resulting in LL> > the city looking a war zone. That should answer your own question.
    There were no riots anywhere in Louisiana because your sorry
    excuse
    of a president never sent any unmarked federal agents to cause
    trouble.

    The reason why those Federal forces are in Portland is to protect Federal >Property, if the police force within these democratic cess pools would be >allowed to do their job, there would be no need for these Federal forces.

    Yeah. I saw the pictures. Both before and after. Nothing stops graffiti from growing on the walls. Nothing. It just keeps growing. And growing. And growing ...

    Please show me the difference between the "leftie" version of the >LL>Preamble and the "rightie" version of the Preamble. I seem to have >LL>missed both versions.

    Easy. Democrats (LEFT) Ignoring it vs Republicans (RIGHT) Follow it.

    What rights do the states have (according to the US Constitution)?
    I'll give you a hint - Read Amendment X.

    Still in doubt.. OK

    There is no doubt.

    Has ANY Democrat politician condemned the Riots and the destruction or th

    loss of life or the injured cops that was a direct result of this chaos?

    Violence begets violence. The late John Lewis condemned *all* acts
    of violence, promoting others to cause "good trouble" in its place.
    Three presidents attended his funeral today. Except for the one who
    is always causing "bad trouble" for everybody.

    There you go. Two Democrats, and one Republican, condemning all
    acts of violence, with one illegitimate occupant of the White House promoting violence everywhere.

    Has the Media who is sleeping in the same bed with the democratic party
    condemn or even spoken against the violence?

    The legitimate news media does not take sides, as it is not in the entertainment business (such as FoxNews).

    Has ANY Black Lives Representative or spokesperson ever have taken
    responsibility or condemned the gun fire that has killed multiple childr

    within the own houses.

    What for? Ban the guns, no more problem. See how easy that is?

    Look at Chicago, where the strongest gun laws are in the U.S.
    These people causing the carnage in this city are not purchasing guns.
    Yet there are people being killed in this city every weekend.

    Banning guns will never happen.
    Cars kill people too are we going to start banning them next?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to TIM RICHARDSON on Saturday, August 01, 2020 19:26:29
    Hello Tim,

    Actually, I made a very narrow painting showing only a few examples that >DS>came to mind. Those who have lived the black life in America could make >DS>a listing that goes on for hundreds of lines.


    One question:


    Are *you* black? Straight `yes' or `no'.


    NO. Are you a person of color?


    Yeah I am; I'm white!

    According to Louisiana's one drop black rule might very well make
    you a black man. Or least colored. Many other states also had that
    same law on their books. So what makes you think you are white?

    BTW......there are so many great examples of people who
    are or were black, growing up in the face of poor beginnings, who succeeded
    in their lives to a huge extent. Herman Cain is just one.

    Herman Cain and his 9-9-9 plan is dead, killed by his beloved
    president who told him not to bother wearing a mask during his
    rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

    There are many others. And a lot of them are highly successful and extremely
    wealthy.

    Every single person on the face of this planet has some black
    blood, given we are all descendents of the original Adam and Eve.

    Hussein Obama; who couldn't even speak in honor of a great American's
    funreal without turning it into a political circus by bad mouthing the present administration; is filthy rich, owns an estate on Martha's
    Vineyard.

    President Obama is proud to call himself a black man. So is
    President Clinton. I am sure President Biden will also be very
    proud to do so, once he is sworn into office.

    Of course, being a particularly odious hunk of dog dirt, his diatribe of >leftie tripe came as no surprise. However....I wonder how much the family of >the deceased man he was there to eulogize appreciated the sorry son of a
    bitch turning such a solemn moment into a democrat three ring circus? It
    was almost as bad as what the leftie filth did at Paul Wellstone's funeral.

    President Obama showed the world how much more he cares about others
    after eulogizing John Lewis by donning a face covering when leaving
    the stage. It's too bad the current occupant of the White House has no
    sense to have the decency to do the same.

    Democrats don't just suck eggs....they're filth!

    President George W. Bush also attended the funeral for John Lewis.
    He is a Republican. Does that make him the same kind of "filth" as
    you have called President Obama and President Clinton, along with
    all other Democrats?

    Have to go find a good tagline.....back in a flash.....

    "Joe Biden; After 48 years he's still running on his promises; none of
    which have ever been kept!"

    Oh, yeah. Joe Biden, as well as his wife, also wore a face mask.
    As the body of John Lewis was lying in state at the nation's Capitol.
    What an honorable couple!

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to TIM RICHARDSON on Saturday, August 01, 2020 19:26:36
    Hello Tim,

    If people get arrested or shot at a traffic stop, it's their own dam >GD>fault.

    Bull crap.

    Trayvon was not gunned down in cold blood as you have suggested, as it >GD>turned out he was up to no good, he died because he tried to take the >GD>gun from Zimmerman.

    He tried to protect himself after he was accosted and threatened.

    That is a bald-faced lie! You know the same as everyone else knows the kid >jumped out of some bushes a attacked Zimmerman. He was holding Zimmermen
    down
    while pounding him in the face. He got shot assaulting someone he should
    have
    left alone.

    Lemme see if I got this right.
    White guy pulls a gun on black kid.
    Black kid tries to run away.
    White guy shoots black kid dead.
    Did I get that right?

    Your attempt to twist the truth is typical of you.

    The truth? You can't handle the truth! Jack Nicholson said it first.
    When he was in the Army, trying to instruct a student ...

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, August 02, 2020 17:32:19
    On 01 Aug 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Hello Tim,

    If people get arrested or shot at a traffic stop, it's their own dam >GD>fault.

    Bull crap.

    Trayvon was not gunned down in cold blood as you have suggested, as it >GD>turned out he was up to no good, he died because he tried to take the >GD>gun from Zimmerman.

    He tried to protect himself after he was accosted and threatened.

    That is a bald-faced lie! You know the same as everyone else knows the ki >jumped out of some bushes a attacked Zimmerman. He was holding Zimmermen
    down
    while pounding him in the face. He got shot assaulting someone he should
    have
    left alone.

    Lemme see if I got this right.
    White guy pulls a gun on black kid.
    Black kid tries to run away.
    White guy shoots black kid dead.
    Did I get that right?

    Your attempt to twist the truth is typical of you.

    The truth? You can't handle the truth! Jack Nicholson said it first.
    When he was in the Army, trying to instruct a student ...

    and Jack it say it again directly to you at the same volume and awesome
    acting ability that everyone is aware of.

    I'll it again just in case you missed the first time

    George Zimmerman was acquitted.

    You can harp on this all you wish with your folly of useless points, but it's not going to prove the narrative or point.

    We already know where this phony outrage is coming from. it's
    familiar because it is this is seen nightly as the light from the TV fills the living rooms with what is really going on, which proves our point.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, August 03, 2020 06:31:16
    Hello Greg,

    [..]

    This message includes the transcript of the trial -

    Lemme see if I got this right.
    White guy pulls a gun on black kid.
    Black kid tries to run away.
    White guy shoots black kid dead.
    Did I get that right?
    Your attempt to twist the truth is typical of you.
    The truth? You can't handle the truth! Jack Nicholson said it first. >LL>When he was in the Army, trying to instruct a student ...

    and Jack it say it again directly to you at the same volume and awesome >acting ability that everyone is aware of.

    Did he? What did Jack really say? Did you actually listen
    to his speech? It was really more like a tantrum, rather than
    a speech. In any case, here it is. In case you missed it -

    Colonel Nathan R. Jessep testifies in court on "Code Red".
    Enjoy the theatrics.

    Transcript from "A Few Good Men" -


    LTJG Kaffee: Colonel Jessep! Did you order the Code Red?!

    Judge Randolph: You don't have to answer that question!

    Col Jessep: I'll answer the question. You want answers?

    LTJG Kaffee: I think I'm entitled to them.

    Col Jessep: You want answers?!

    LTJG Kaffee: I want the truth!

    Col Jessep: You can't handle the truth!

    Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be
    guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant
    Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom.
    You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury.
    You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that Santiago's death,
    while tragic, probably saved lives; and my existence, while grotesque
    and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.

    You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk
    about at parties, you want me on that wall -- you need me on that wall.

    We use words like "honor," "code," "loyalty." We use these words as
    the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a
    punch line.

    I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a
    man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I
    provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it.

    I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way.
    Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand the post. Either
    way, I don't give a DAMN what you think you're entitled to!

    LTJG Kaffee: Did you order the Code Red?

    Col Jessep: I did the job --

    LTJG Kaffee: -- Did you order the Code Red?!

    Col Jessep: YOU'RE GOD DAMN RIGHT I DID!!!

    I'll it again just in case you missed the first time

    George Zimmerman was acquitted.

    George Zimmerman was found "not guilty" - which is far from
    being innocent. Notice Col Jessep was never worried about his
    being courts martialed.

    You can harp on this all you wish with your folly of useless points, but
    it's not going to prove the narrative or point.

    Under our system of justice, the accused does not have to prove
    his innocence. All he/she has to do is show reasonable doubt.
    That is something the far right has failed to realize. The court
    of public opinion is meaningless.

    We already know where this phony outrage is coming from.

    Adult white racist murders teenage black kid in cold blood.
    Feel better?

    it's familiar because it is this is seen nightly as the light from the TV
    fills the living rooms with what is really going on, which proves our
    point.

    Did the neighborhood watch white racist wannabe cop order a code red?

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, August 03, 2020 06:31:23
    Hello Greg,

    [..]

    Lemme see if I got this right.
    White guy pulls a gun on black kid.
    Black kid tries to run away.
    White guy shoots black kid dead.
    Did I get that right?
    Your attempt to twist the truth is typical of you.
    The truth? You can't handle the truth! Jack Nicholson said it first. >LL>When he was in the Army, trying to instruct a student ...

    and Jack it say it again directly to you at the same volume and awesome >acting ability that everyone is aware of.

    I'll it again just in case you missed the first time

    George Zimmerman was acquitted.

    So he got away with murder.

    Nobody said he was innocent.
    Not even George Zimmerman himself.

    White guy pulls gun on black kid.
    Black kid tries to run away.
    White guy shoots black kid dead.

    That is the truth.
    That is the whole truth.
    And that is nothing but the truth.

    But like Jack Nicholson said -

    You can't handle the truth.

    You can harp on this all you wish with your folly of useless points, but
    it's not going to prove the narrative or point.

    The truth is what it is. White guy shoots black kid dead.
    Nobody disputes that. Or even questions it.

    We already know where this phony outrage is coming from.

    When white guy murders black kid in cold blood, everyone should
    be outraged.

    it's familiar because it is this is seen nightly as the light from the TV
    fills the living rooms with what is really going on, which proves our
    point.

    God forbid if a black man shoots a white kid dead in cold blood.
    Fox News & The Right-Wing Spin Machine would never let anybody forget
    about it.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, August 03, 2020 08:27:12
    On 03 Aug 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    When white guy murders black kid in cold blood, everyone should
    be outraged.

    You want to know how I define outrage?...

    You're only seeing one side of this and trying to justify radical behavior of Antifa and this nasty ass BLM movement.

    You say nothing about Jessica Doty Whitaker was fatally shot last month following an alleged argument between her group and a group of Black Lives Matter supporters.

    She declared "All Lives Matter" and was killed as a result.

    Here are the facts for you and the rest of your lefty friends.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by -race/

    Rayshard Brooks would still be alive today if he did resist arrest.
    Don't take my word for it watch the video how this started and how it ended

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhdpG2XzRXQ&t=183s

    How did Rayshard Brooks get though?

    Rayshard Brooks resisted arrest stole a tazer from the cops belt w/ the struggle with the Police. Then within some distance from the cops as he was running away, Rayshard pointed the tazer at the cops (as he triggered the tazer it made it a flash) it was at this point the one of the cops fired his gun killing Rayshard Brooks.

    Then these animals (black people within the community) burned down the wendys to the ground..

    None of this needed to happen. Rayshard Brooks would still be alive today if
    he did not resist arrest.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, August 04, 2020 00:16:00
    On 08-03-20 08:27, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Floyd <=-

    Here are the facts for you and the rest of your lefty friends.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to- death-by-us-police-by
    -race/

    Did you actually look at that article with understanding? Possibly not
    since you seemed to miss the point that a higher proportion of blacks
    are shot by police than whites.
    [quote]
    Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans
    was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of the population as of July 2020.
    [/quote]

    Rayshard Brooks would still be alive today if he did resist arrest.
    Don't take my word for it watch the video how this started and how it ended
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhdpG2XzRXQ&t=183s

    Except that the end of that 44 minute video does not show how it ended.
    It shows a lot of discussion. It shows the officer administering a
    field sobriety test (which Brooks passed much better than I could at any
    time). Then it showed the officer putting cuffs on Brooks without any
    real explanation. A shuffle ensued and Brooks ran away (not the best
    choice I admit). From then on, we only hear sounds. Did you watch the
    video? If you had, you could not have truthfully said it showed the
    end.

    Other videos show that the officer shot Brooks in the back as he was
    running away. Brooks was no threat to the officer or anyone -- which is
    the critera for using deadly force.


    the struggle with the Police. Then within some distance from the cops
    as he was running away, Rayshard pointed the tazer at the cops (as he triggered the tazer.

    Which did not threaten anyone.

    it made it a flash) it was at this point the one of the cops fired his
    gun killing Rayshard Brooks.

    Wrong. The cop fired while Brooks was running away -- shot in the back.

    If you are going to try arguing a case, make sure you have your facts
    and evidence right.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, August 04, 2020 13:33:37
    On 04 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 08-03-20 08:27, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Floyd <=-

    Here are the facts for you and the rest of your lefty friends.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to- death-by-us-police-by
    -race/

    Did you actually look at that article with understanding? Possibly not since you seemed to miss the point that a higher proportion of blacks
    are shot by police than whites.

    Here are the Actual Numbers
    White
    Year Year Year Year
    2017 2018 2019 2020
    ---- | ---- | ---- | ----
    457 399 370 215

    Black
    Year Year Year Year
    2017 2018 2019 2020
    ---- | ---- | --- | ----
    223 209 235 111

    As a direct result of these calculations.

    234 more whites died then blacks in 2017
    190 more whites died then blacks in 2018
    135 more whites died then blacks in 2019
    104 more whites died then blacks in 2020

    1441 more whites died then 778 black in last 4 years
    Infact the numbers also show that the number of whites deaths is greater by
    the number of 663 within the past 4 years.

    [quote]
    Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans
    was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of the population as of July 2020.
    [/quote]

    Here is the full quote

    Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems to only be increasing, with a total 558 civilians having been shot, 111 of whom were Black, as of July 29, 2020. In 2018, there were 996 fatal police shootings, and in 2019 this figure increased to 1,004. Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of the population as of July 2020.

    Let's take a deeper dive, shall we? with what the above text is indicating here. 558 civilians having been shot 111 of whom were black this means that 447 of these were of another race. That number of skyrocketed to 1004, the graphic does NOT say it was by by Police officers, could it be
    that these numbers are BLACK on BLACK crimes on each other? Could be.
    You never have heard and you never will hear people within the BLM movement
    and you will not hear Democratic Politicians condemning this violence.

    Police brutality in the U.S.

    In recent years, particularly since the fatal shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri in 2014, police brutality has become a hot button issue in the United States. The number of homicides committed by police in the United States is often compared to those in countries such as England, where the number is significantly lower.

    Black Lives Matter
    The Black Lives Matter Movement, formed in 2013, has been a vocal part of the movement against police brutality in the U.S. by organizing "die-ins",
    marches, and demonstrations in response to the killings of black men and
    women by police.

    Black Lives Matter is a farce.

    They do not talk or speak of the issues within the Black community, as to why there is so much Black on Black Crime, which has caused death of innocent children within their own homes.

    They will not speak to what happened as to what lead the death to whomever
    that are protesting about. or ask any of the questions such as did the individual corporate with the police?
    As far these people are concerned there is no consequence or irrational behavior that could of lead to the killing. He or she was simply killed in
    cold in cold blood... This is how dumb and undedicated these people are.

    Quote
    While Black Lives Matter has become a controversial movement within the U.S., it has brought more attention to the number and frequency of police shootings of civilians.

    This is because they refuse to be arrested by the cops, these people seem
    to not have the understanding; what it means to have their day in court, even they might feel (as I'm sure you will pick up on) that they feel that they
    will not be successful in court. but it beats dying - any day of the week!

    This would of course mean that they would continue to live and see another sunset as well take care of their families, seems so selfish to take the
    route of resisting arrest that ends up these people losing their lives.

    Rayshard Brooks would still be alive today if he did resist arrest. Don't take my word for it watch the video how this started and how it ended
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhdpG2XzRXQ&t=183s

    Except that the end of that 44 minute video does not show how it ended.
    It shows a lot of discussion. It shows the officer administering a
    field sobriety test (which Brooks passed much better than I could at any time). Then it showed the officer putting cuffs on Brooks without any real explanation. A shuffle ensued and Brooks ran away (not the best choice I admit). From then on, we only hear sounds. Did you watch the video? If you had, you could not have truthfully said it showed the
    end.

    You are right about the discussion just about 42 minutes worth. You really believe that you or I would be given 42 minutes of time to try to explain ourselves?

    A lot of people can pass a sobriety test and still be impaired, this is for the law to decide not the one who is accused, that is done in the court of law not on the street or in public where your being viewed as menace to society.

    Rayshard did not know where he was at multiple times. Which was also heard on the video but you seemed to have glossed over that fact.

    Other videos show that the officer shot Brooks in the back as he was running away. Brooks was no threat to the officer or anyone -- which is the critera for using deadly force.

    This video that I posted was from a Police Body cam, what other video would
    you be referencing. If there was a video captured by Wendy's restaurant that camera was destroyed as was the Wendy's was burned down to the ground by people who did not know that their brother from another mother was treated more than more then fairly for 42 minutes, the carnage began when Rayshard resisted arrest.

    Wrong. The cop fired while Brooks was running away -- shot in the back.

    No you're wrong. COPS do not shoot at suspects white or black just for fleeing the scene.
    At 41:35 you can hear the cop telling Rayshard to let go of the tazer.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 01:44:00
    On 08-04-20 13:33, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Floyd <=-

    Did you actually look at that article with understanding? Possibly not since you seemed to miss the point that a higher proportion of blacks
    are shot by police than whites.

    Here are the Actual Numbers

    You are trying to defect and not respond to the actual question because
    you cannot handle the truth. The quote was not about actual numbers,
    but about the rate of police shootings of black americans per millions
    of population.

    1441 more whites died then 778 black in last 4 years

    Not the point.

    [quote]
    Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans
    was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of the population as of July 2020.
    [/quote]

    Here is the full quote

    Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems
    to only be increasing, with a total 558 civilians having been shot, 111
    of whom were Black, as of July 29, 2020. In 2018, there were 996 fatal police shootings, and
    in 2019 this figure increased to 1,004. Additionally, the rate of
    fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that
    for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of
    the population as of July 2020.

    True, you quoted a bit more of the paragraph which is irrelavent to the
    point being made, but is your deflection.

    Let's take a deeper dive, shall we? with what the above text is
    indicating here. 558 civilians having been shot 111 of whom were black this means that 447 of these were of another race. That number of skyrocketed to 1004, the graphic does NOT say it was by by Police officers,

    Duh -- the quote is explicit that it about shootings of blacks by police officers -- why are you trying to muddy the water?

    In recent years, particularly since the fatal shooting of Michael
    Brown in Ferguson, Missouri in 2014, police brutality has become a hot button issue in the United States. The number of homicides committed by police in the United States is often compared to those in countries
    such as England, where the number is significantly lower.

    With good reason, perhaps because England has stricter gun control laws.
    Also due to the fact that most British police do not even carry guns --
    they don't feed the need to do so.


    Black Lives Matter
    The Black Lives Matter Movement, formed in 2013, has been a vocal part
    of the movement against police brutality in the U.S. by organizing "die-ins", marches, and demonstrations in response to the killings of black men and women by police.

    Black Lives Matter is a farce.

    <<SNIP OF VERBAGE THAT IS NON RESPONSIVE TO THE QUESTION>>

    Rayshard Brooks would still be alive today if he did resist arrest.
    Don't take my word for it watch the video how
    this started and how it
    ended
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhdpG2XzRXQ&t=183s

    Except that the end of that 44 minute video does not show how it ended.
    It shows a lot of discussion. It shows the officer administering a
    field sobriety test (which Brooks passed much better than I could at any time). Then it showed the officer putting cuffs on Brooks without any real explanation. A shuffle ensued and Brooks ran away (not the best choice I admit). From then on, we only hear sounds. Did you watch the video? If you had, you could not have truthfully said it showed the
    end.

    You are right about the discussion just about 42 minutes worth. You
    really believe that you or I would be given 42 minutes of time to try
    to explain ourselves?

    In other words, you did not see what you claimed to see about how he got
    shot. And no, I think that you or me would have been told after about
    five minutes -- OK, walk over to your daughter's birthday and leave your
    car parked here where it is safe and causing no problem.

    Other videos show that the officer shot Brooks in the back as he was running away. Brooks was no threat to the officer or anyone -- which is the critera for using deadly force.

    This video that I posted was from a Police Body cam, what other video would you be referencing.

    Several that have been posted and aired on multiple news channels. Did
    you not see them? Do you not know that he was shot in the back while
    running away?

    Wrong. The cop fired while Brooks was running away -- shot in the back.

    No you're wrong. COPS do not shoot at suspects white or black just for fleeing the scene.

    That is exactly what was done. It is against any standard police
    procedure, but that is what was done.

    At 41:35 you can hear the cop telling Rayshard to let go of the tazer.

    True -- not relevant to being shot in the back while running away. If
    you believe anything else happened, you have not been listening to
    reputable sources.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 10:55:56
    On 05 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    1441 more whites died then 778 black in last 4 years

    Not the point.

    It is the point because of BLM they continie to get it very wrong they have been indicating this misinformation about the topic, they often say that more blacks are killed than whites, that is NOT the truth.

    It is also true that BLM as well as the Democratic party has not condemned
    the carnage and violence of Black on Black crime.
    Why?
    Could it be they do not want to alienate these people because they need
    their vote?

    Duh -- the quote is explicit that it about shootings of blacks by police officers -- why are you trying to muddy the water?

    Nope just the facts Dale and those facts prove that more whites are killed by police, not the vise versa. Which shoots (sorry for the pun) holes in this narrative that more blacks are killed then whites.

    In recent years, particularly since the fatal shooting of Michael
    Brown in Ferguson, Missouri in 2014, police brutality has become a hot button issue in the United States. The number of homicides committed b police in the United States is often compared to those in countries such as England, where the number is significantly lower.

    What about Chicago? They have the strictest gun laws in the U.S. Yet people
    are still killing each other by the many hundreds every weekend on the Southside of Chicago.
    The Mayor Lori (Beetlejuice) Lightfoot seems to be out of touch with reality.

    With good reason, perhaps because England has stricter gun control laws. Also due to the fact that most British police do not even carry guns -- they don't feed the need to do so.

    Then someone with a gun means w/ bad intentions will slaughter the copper in England .
    Yeah I do not think that they (cops in England) are defenseless as you have suggested.

    <<SNIP OF VERBAGE THAT IS NON RESPONSIVE TO THE QUESTION>>

    OK ignore the facts but I'm telling you now. This will be only one of many reasons why the Democrats lose in November.

    In other words, you did not see what you claimed to see about how he got shot. And no, I think that you or me would have been told after about
    five minutes -- OK, walk over to your daughter's birthday and leave your car parked here where it is safe and causing no problem.

    You kinda rattled on there a little bit - daughter's birthday park the where
    it is not a problem to anyone?

    but I do understand what you mean...

    If what you mean to say that once Brooks moved his car as was requested
    several times where was found SLEEPING in the Wendy's drive through, Then
    he (Brooks) should of been left alone. Is that what your trying to say?
    Making the suggestion that if he was just alone then non of these would happened?

    It's called in the line of duty. The police officer called for a
    DWI/DWAI officer to the scene, who spoke to Brooks for over 40 minutes.

    There is another video that I have seen that shows exactly what I previously stated that Brooks fired the tazer as he was running away from cops.

    Here ya go
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5QEnGkIbzA

    Says a lot.
    Firing a taser "IS" a deadly weapon according the District Attorney of Georgia as was found to be the case when different cops used a taser on some unruly college kids. However in this Brooks case it is not. (Obvious Flip flopping) but whyy? It is clear as to why; because if these officer(s) were not charged these people of color would have destroyed the entire city instead of just the Wendy's.

    The video also explains why Brooks ran, he had a criminal record and if arrested would of been jailed.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, August 06, 2020 02:17:00
    On 08-05-20 10:55, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-

    1441 more whites died then 778 black in last 4 years

    Not the point.

    It is the point because of BLM they continie to get it very wrong they have been indicating this misinformation about the topic, they often
    say that more blacks are killed than whites, that is NOT the truth.

    The point was and is that blacks are killed by police at a higher rate
    than whites. Stop trying to deflect to other arguements if you cannot
    address that point.

    Duh -- the quote is explicit that it about shootings of blacks by police officers -- why are you trying to muddy the water?

    Nope just the facts Dale and those facts prove that more whites are
    killed by police, not the vise versa. Which shoots (sorry for the pun) holes in this narrative that more blacks are killed then whites.

    See above.

    What about Chicago? They have the strictest gun laws in the U.S. Yet people are still killing each other by the many hundreds every weekend
    on the Southside of Chicago.

    See above.

    With good reason, perhaps because England has stricter gun control laws. Also due to the fact that most British police do not even carry guns -- they don't feed the need to do so.

    Then someone with a gun means w/ bad intentions will slaughter the
    copper in England .

    Does not happen nearly as often as it does in the USA. But, once again
    see above.

    There is another video that I have seen that shows exactly what I previously stated that Brooks fired the tazer as he was running away
    from cops.
    Here ya go
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5QEnGkIbzA

    It was fired wildly from a considerable distance and was no danger to
    anyone.

    Says a lot.
    Firing a taser "IS" a deadly weapon according the District Attorney of Georgia as was found to be the case when different cops used a taser on

    It depends. If it were always a deadly weapon, then why bother using it instead of a gun? It is only a deadly weapon in some situations -- and
    this was not one of them.

    The video also explains why Brooks ran, he had a criminal record and
    if arrested would of been jailed.

    I did not see or hear that in the video -- show me the time spot where
    it occured.

    Nor does it explain why running was justification for using deadly
    force, especially when the police had all the information they might
    need to apprehend Brooks later on.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Friday, August 07, 2020 13:24:38
    On 06 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 08-05-20 10:55, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-

    1441 more whites died then 778 black in last 4 years

    Not the point.

    It is the point because of BLM they continie to get it very wrong the have been indicating this misinformation about the topic, they often say that more blacks are killed than whites, that is NOT the truth.

    The point was and is that blacks are killed by police at a higher rate than whites. Stop trying to deflect to other arguements if you cannot address that point.

    I am deflecting anything but did provide the actual facts that prove that
    1. I am not deflecting
    2. I have proven that your statement is inaccurate.

    It depends. If it were always a deadly weapon, then why bother using it instead of a gun? It is only a deadly weapon in some situations -- and this was not one of them.
    Because Dale. Brooks ... did ... have ... a ... gun ...

    There is no area of confusion or no ability to twist either, when it fits
    your narrative. You can't have it both way when it suits you.
    The District Attorney ruled that the use of a taser "IS" a deadly weapon.

    The video also explains why Brooks ran, he had a criminal record and if arrested would of been jailed.

    I did not see or hear that in the video -- show me the time spot where
    it occured.

    Nor does it explain why running was justification for using deadly
    force, especially when the police had all the information they might
    need to apprehend Brooks later on.

    Before or After he committed more crimes?
    Perhaps the next time he would of drove under the influence and lets say he killed a family with children in the car.
    As for running why he ran is now clear.
    He know dam well if he were arrested he would be going back to jail.

    So what?

    He would of went back to jail he would of gotten out eventually and he would still be around to support his family and see another sunset.
    Instead he acted foolishly and ran and did use deadly force again I bring you back to what the Attorney General indicated.

    I did not see or hear that in the video -- show me the time spot where
    it occured.

    Again the video can be found at

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5QEnGkIbzA

    1:34 and then from there it shows in detail what those charges were.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, August 08, 2020 01:46:02
    On 08-07-20 13:24, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-

    The point was and is that blacks are killed by police at a higher rate than whites. Stop trying to deflect to other arguments if you cannot address that point.

    I am deflecting anything but did provide the actual facts that prove
    that 1. I am not deflecting

    You are deflecting when you attempt to present some other argument.

    2. I have proven that your statement is inaccurate.

    My statement is taken from a link you supplied.

    It depends. If it were always a deadly weapon, then why bother using it instead of a gun? It is only a deadly weapon in some situations -- and this was not one of them.

    Because Dale. Brooks ... did ... have ... a ... gun ...

    Really? That is not in any of the reporting. Enlighten us all as to
    your evidence that he had a gun during the incident that led to his
    being shot in the back.

    There is no area of confusion or no ability to twist either, when it
    fits your narrative. You can't have it both way when it suits you.
    The District Attorney ruled that the use of a taser "IS" a deadly
    weapon.

    Quote the ruling. When is a taser a deadly weapon? I do not believe
    that it can be considered as such when discharged randomly in the air
    from a considerable distance. Site the ruling that shows I am wrong.


    I did not see or hear that in the video -- show me the time spot where
    it occurred.

    Again the video can be found at

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5QEnGkIbzA

    1:34 and then from there it shows in detail what those charges were.

    OK since it was not on the video in question, you dug up some other
    video by a youtube blogger. I'm sure that if one searches enough they
    can come up with some source to say anything they want to say. In any
    case, looking at time 3:12 the blogger goes on to claim that the DA has declared that a taser is a deadly weapon. He presents a chart from the
    GA code that he claims supports his statement. However, it explicitly
    outlines conditions under which an object might result in a charge of aggravated assault. That article doe not mention a taser, and for the
    case in question the taser as discharged by Brooks does not fit the
    definition in the statue. It was not discharged in a manner that did or
    could result in serious bodily harm.

    Try again if you can come up with a credible source.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, August 08, 2020 11:30:03
    On 08 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    Really? That is not in any of the reporting. Enlighten us all as to
    your evidence that he had a gun during the incident that led to his
    being shot in the back.

    No not really I meant to type that "Brooks did NOT have a gun."
    That was a typo error on my part.

    OK since it was not on the video in question, you dug up some other
    video by a youtube blogger. I'm sure that if one searches enough they
    can come up with some source to say anything they want to say. In any case, looking at time 3:12 the blogger goes on to claim that the DA has declared that a taser is a deadly weapon. He presents a chart from the
    GA code that he claims supports his statement. However, it explicitly outlines conditions under which an object might result in a charge of aggravated assault. That article doe not mention a taser, and for the case in question the taser as discharged by Brooks does not fit the definition in the statue. It was not discharged in a manner that did or could result in serious bodily harm.

    I am not digging up anything Dale, these are just the facts by the SAME youtube blogger who made the first video; url that I shared, as he indicated within
    the first one he even states that he made more of a extensive video that explains more detail, that; IS the second one that I shared here.

    I had no intention of posting the other one but the reasoning why I did, is because you seemed skeptical to some extent with the statements that were
    made All of which are as a matter of fact, as the video shows in clear and understandable detail. That these FACTS are not is dispute.

    What the real mystery is.....
    Why is the media not breaking it down just the blogger did.
    Just let the facts spill as they are.

    Let the facts speak for themselves.

    Why?
    This is actually NO mystery at all....
    The Media will not show the truth due to Political Correctness.
    This reporting of these true events would be twisted and then it would
    backfire upon media for just reporting what happened.
    The would is called Triggered.
    This type of information would be just be to much to process but it would show chronically show the poor choices made by of Brooks, which the led to his death.

    This story has elements of repeated familiarity, as this type of thing has happened again and again when people of all kinds make the wrong choices. These choices have nearly the same ending.

    Most of us have the same reaction to that ending with the word " Figures."

    So the media tries to hide and conceal the truth from being told because they are aligned with the Democratic Party. Don't think so you say...

    Example 1
    CNN is notorious for on a putting on people like Melina Abdullah who is American academic and civic leader. She is chair of the department of Pan-African Studies at California State University, Los Angeles, and a co-founder of the Los Angeles chapter of Black Lives Matter.
    There you have it.

    Of course such a person would take issue with Donald Trump who was speaking
    out when he called the painted words on the pavement on 5th Avenue that state "Black Lives Matter" People like this stupid bitch who intentionally twists
    the words of the President and deliberately take out of context, and spin it into a liberal delusional fantasy.

    Of course these are the same people within the Black Lives Matter say noting about Black on Black crime, say nothing about so called peaceful protest that are far from peaceful, with the throwing rocks, bricks, frozen water bottles and using lasers to blind cops. They are also certainty not mentioning
    anything about the innocent children getting killed by stray bullets within their own homes, no no no can't mention that. Hypocrisy!

    The Democratic Party needs these individuals for their vote. Realizing this they within media play upon simpleton emotions of these people and start
    making the story about how cops are bad which leads to de-funding the police, with a movement by BLM which fuels these falsehoods and these scumbags within BLM even had chant "Pigs in A Blanket, Fry 'Em Like Bacon." Why is that ok? When it really should be criticized and ridiculed with logic accordingly.

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Friday, August 14, 2020 20:36:00
    On 08-08-20, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

    On 08-07-20 13:24, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-


    It depends. If it were always a deadly weapon, then why bother using it instead of a gun? It is only a deadly weapon in some situations -- and this was not one of them.


    The state in which this happened had previously ruled a taser a *deadly weapon*!


    Because Dale. Brooks ... did ... have ... a ... gun ...


    Really? That is not in any of the reporting. Enlighten us all as to DS>your evidence that he had a gun during the incident that led to his
    being shot in the back.


    Shipp likes to whip words and twist facts in an attempt to play the lefties' favorite game; a never-ending flow of BS till the person he's aiming his crap at gets tired of having to counter all his mis-information and stops talking
    on whatever subject he's infusing false info into.


    There is no area of confusion or no ability to twist either, when it
    fits your narrative. You can't have it both way when it suits you.
    The District Attorney ruled that the use of a taser "IS" a deadly
    weapon.


    Quote the ruling. When is a taser a deadly weapon?


    See; "The state in which this happened had previously ruled a taser a *deadly weapon*.


    I do not believe
    that it can be considered as such when discharged randomly in the air DS>from a considerable distance. Site the ruling that shows I am wrong.


    I did not see or hear that in the video -- show me the time spot where
    it occurred.

    Again the video can be found at

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5QEnGkIbzA

    1:34 and then from there it shows in detail what those charges were.

    OK since it was not on the video in question, you dug up some other
    video by a youtube blogger. I'm sure that if one searches enough they DS>can come up with some source to say anything they want to say. In any DS>case, looking at time 3:12 the blogger goes on to claim that the DA has DS>declared that a taser is a deadly weapon. He presents a chart from the DS>GA code that he claims supports his statement. However, it explicitly DS>outlines conditions under which an object might result in a charge of DS>aggravated assault. That article doe not mention a taser, and for the DS>case in question the taser as discharged by Brooks does not fit the DS>definition in the statue. It was not discharged in a manner that did or DS>could result in serious bodily harm.


    Try again if you can come up with a credible source.


    An argument with a leftie democrat is an endless (and useless) endeavor.


    It doesn't matter what the actual facts are, a leftie will twist the real
    facts and also make up their own.


    Why bother?


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